Better situation - Auburn, Florida, or Penn State?
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Florida by far is the easiest to recruit. All three have money.
Florida. 2nd to Alabama, they have to be the winningest program in the SEC since the 1992 expansion. Multiple national championships under different coaches.
That's an interesting choice. Three very different cultures there aren't many coaches out there who would be a slam dunk at all three.
Auburn’s meddling alumni keep them from being a consistent contender IMO
It's Penn State by a mile. Their fans are locked in, they basically have run of a whole state except for exclaves of Pitt and Temple, but the biggest thing is this....in the Big Ten, they have no protected rivalries, so it doesn't take much for them to get a fantastic schedule.
Next year they have Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, USC, and Wisconsin at home, and Maryland, Michigan, Northwestern, and Washington on the road. No Ohio State, no Oregon, no Indiana, no Illinois, no Iowa.
Sign. Me. Up.
Next year they have Minnesota, Purdue, Rutgers, USC, and Wisconsin at home, and Maryland, Michigan, Northwestern, and Washington on the road. No Ohio State, no Oregon, no Indiana, no Illinois, no Iowa.
Sign. Me. Up.
You aren’t wrong. Whoever coaches them next year would have to shiiite the bed to not make the playoffs
I was curious about this. I couldn’t find a conference breakdown since 1992, but I found one since 2003.
Taking Texas and Oklahoma out of the equation, since 2003, Florida is 4th in overall wins and conference wins behind Alabama, Georgia, and LSU. Auburn is 5th.
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I voted Penn state , all 3 have tremendous fan support. All 3 have massive NIL funds , all 3 are pretty storied , Penn state wins with the expectations sector, they were ok with 9-3 , 10-2 for over 10 seasons with only 1 conference title and 1 playoff appearance in that time. That would get you fired at Florida , heck they gave Dan Mullen 4 seasons and he had 2 10 win seasons in his 1st 2 years with 2 NY6 bowl wins . 3rd year was a covid year where he won the sec east and lost to the best Nick Saban Alabama team in a all sec schedule and still made the sugar bowl. The next year they fire him in the middle of the season when he’s having a “ rebuilding “ year.
They are giving Napier the same amount of time as Mullen and he hasn’t done a quarter of what Mullen did. He hasn’t even come close to winning 10 games.
Auburn is a good job but with the addition of Oklahoma , Texas, Texas A&M to the sec starting in 2012, they have been moved down the sec job rankings.
Penn state will have a MUCH easier year to year schedule than Florida and Auburn and have less competion in the north east for recruits. They also can come down south to Texas , Florida , Georgia , South Carolina and get a few recruits occasionally that they need.
they also have the highest total team talent rankings of the 3
Florida and Auburn have to also defend their backyards from Alabama , Georgia , Florida state, Miami, Tennessee, LSU, etc.
Penn state will get the best recruits in Pennsylvania and the only real competition will be Ohio state and Michigan .
They are giving Napier the same amount of time as Mullen and he hasn’t done a quarter of what Mullen did. He hasn’t even come close to winning 10 games.
Auburn is a good job but with the addition of Oklahoma , Texas, Texas A&M to the sec starting in 2012, they have been moved down the sec job rankings.
Penn state will have a MUCH easier year to year schedule than Florida and Auburn and have less competion in the north east for recruits. They also can come down south to Texas , Florida , Georgia , South Carolina and get a few recruits occasionally that they need.
they also have the highest total team talent rankings of the 3
Florida and Auburn have to also defend their backyards from Alabama , Georgia , Florida state, Miami, Tennessee, LSU, etc.
Penn state will get the best recruits in Pennsylvania and the only real competition will be Ohio state and Michigan .
I said penn state bc Florida is in a crappy spot.
yall can be butt hurt all you want about Stricklin but that athletic department is a mess.
is Stricklin on charge?
is spurrier?
Boosters?
Being the boss but not being the boss is never a good situation for anyone.
I’m not sure I agree. Auburn has decades of experience in doing anything and everything to land recruits. Meanwhile it’s felt like Florida has been too proud of their rise to academic prominence to really get dirty.
But… maybe that’s all a moot point now with NIL
I don't know. Why should Auburn be a consistent contender? I think Auburn's crazy alumni make them unstable but raise the ceiling of the program. I think out of the three Auburn is the least desirable and UF the most desirable, but I honestly don't know how to rank PSU. I think of them as a tier below OSU and Michigan (really two tiers below OSU because I view Michigan as below OSU), but I suspect the average person thinks of them as higher status than I do.
I’ll say Penn State and it’s not particularly close.
They’ve got a pre-built playoff caliber team. They obviously have plenty of money, and I think it’s going to be easier to consistently win big in the Big 10 than the SEC.
The Big 10 is very competitive at the top- arguably ahead of the SEC right now- but there are still only a small handful of programs capable of playing at that level. Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State. USC if they ever get their
together.
Compare that with the SEC- there are at least 9 teams who are going to expect to be playoff contenders in a given year. And that’s not counting Ole Miss or Missouri, who are in contention right now.
They’ve got a pre-built playoff caliber team. They obviously have plenty of money, and I think it’s going to be easier to consistently win big in the Big 10 than the SEC.
The Big 10 is very competitive at the top- arguably ahead of the SEC right now- but there are still only a small handful of programs capable of playing at that level. Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State. USC if they ever get their
together.Compare that with the SEC- there are at least 9 teams who are going to expect to be playoff contenders in a given year. And that’s not counting Ole Miss or Missouri, who are in contention right now.
Yep , sec expansion was a bad decision in my opinion. It’s going to lead to endless firings . You have 12-13 programs that are all in on football.I’ll say Penn State and it’s not particularly close.
They’ve got a pre-built playoff caliber team. They obviously have plenty of money, and I think it’s going to be easier to consistently win big in the Big 10 than the SEC.
The Big 10 is very competitive at the top- arguably ahead of the SEC right now- but there are still only a small handful of programs capable of playing at that level. Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, Penn State. USC if they ever get their
Compare that with the SEC- there are at least 9 teams who are going to expect to be playoff contenders in a given year. And that’s not counting Ole Miss or Missouri, who are in contention right now.
In the big 10 you maybe have 5 maybe 6 ?
rutgers , Maryland , Purdue, northwestern , aren’t real.
there’s a few programs there that are doing more than I’ve ever seen them like Indiana and Illinois.
At the end of the day they aren’t serious national title threats because their recruiting classes are worse than Tulane and UTSA.
there sec has 1 program below 27th in total talent rankings and that’s Vanderbilt.
meanwhile , the big 10 has 11 programs below 27th…… that’s insane .
the sec has 8 of the top 15 .
14 of the top 25 ………..
If you are a good coach and recruiter, it doesn't matter. Go with the biggest paycheck. Other than that, I think Florida. They don't have the little brother complex that Auburn and Penn State have. Auburn is always trying to keep up with Bama with all the stupid choices they have made. Penn State since they joined the Big 10 has been doing the same with Michigan and Ohio State.
I don’t think it was a bad decision at all. If the SEC had let Texas and Oklahoma join the Big 10 along with the others, the Big 10 would be head and shoulders above the SEC in perception.
I don’t disagree with you but accepting Texas & Oklahoma’s offer to join was much better than saying no…
They would have gone to the Big 10 and the SEC would have become more irrelevant and that would be even worse than the current situation…
I don’t disagree with that. I would have Auburn right behind them just because of what you’ve said.
It seems like a lifetime ago, but Penn State was a fallen defender and one flukey interception away from playing for the National Championship last year. They had a lead in the 4th quarter against Notre Dame in the semifinals last year and TWO defenders fell down on a play, allowing ND to tie it up. They had the ball in a tie game with about 40 seconds and 2 timeouts. Started off with a big run, then the QB got hit as he threw and ND picked it off around midfield. A couple plays later, ND was in FG range and put one through to win it.
Now, they’re getting beaten by 17ing Northwestern.
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Im just looking out for state and I don’t want to bring extra losses to our schedule more than likely.
I suppose one could argue that the SEC expansion is the domino that set in motion the Big 10 expansion that led to this chaos, but I don’t think standing pat was a real option.
You’re right that State was better off before. No argument there.
Agreed…
Given the situation, the SEC’s best choice was to accept Texas & Oklahoma’s offer…
Right now it is Penn St.
But with the right AD, coach & culture, it could be FL.
But with the right AD, coach & culture, it could be FL.
Florida by a damn mile.
Here’s a list of schools with 3+ natties in the past 30 years:
Alabama (6)
Ohio State (3)
LSU (3)
Florida (3)
Thats it. The whole list. Here’s another list of schools that didn’t make that cut: Georgia, Michigan, Florida State, Clemson, Texas, USC.
Auburn has 1 natty in the past 30 years, on the back of the most physically dominant player in college football history. Penn State has zero.
Florida is objectively a Top 5 job by just about any criteria imaginable. Penn State and Auburn aren’t anywhere close to that.
Here’s a list of schools with 3+ natties in the past 30 years:
Alabama (6)
Ohio State (3)
LSU (3)
Florida (3)
Thats it. The whole list. Here’s another list of schools that didn’t make that cut: Georgia, Michigan, Florida State, Clemson, Texas, USC.
Auburn has 1 natty in the past 30 years, on the back of the most physically dominant player in college football history. Penn State has zero.
Florida is objectively a Top 5 job by just about any criteria imaginable. Penn State and Auburn aren’t anywhere close to that.
UF's last natty was what, 17 years ago? The entire landscape of CFB has changed since then. They dominated a weak eastern division and an up and down SEC (until Saban got Bama rolling). Today Penn State is in a better position than UF.
A young Saban could turn either into a program that collects nattys.
It's gotta be PSU, Florida appears to have issues far deeper than the head coach, and Auburn will always be second fiddle in their own state.
Rhule to Penn State, Kiffin to Florida, Auburn won't open up this year - they are about to go on a run the next 4 games, then have Alabama at home. 8-4 or 9-3, they aren't firing Brother Hew.
Penn St’s last was 39 years ago, when they feasted on a weak independent schedule.
When were Penn State and Auburn’s last NC’s?
Penn State is only in a better position currently due to the work of the guy that they just fired…for some reason. They were nowhere close to their current tier for 20+ years before Franklin showed up, and likely will have a hard time getting back there.
That’s not even to mention that they also have the biggest institutional black mark in all of American sports (college or pro) hanging over their heads. But the biggest issues are the geographic and demographic advantages of UF. No proven good coach that they have hired there has failed to win a NC there. Even just about all the average to bad ones except Napier (Mullen, Zook, Muschamp, McIllwain) were able to at least win the SEC East there.
Auburn's job has to suck. Too many cooks in the kitchen and a massive inferiority complex because they're constantly comparing themselves to Alabama.
Penn State has historically been a good job. Easy to recruit there, great fan support, but always seem to come up short in the BIG GAME. They usually have a favorable schedule and I think that hurts them when they have to play a big boy.
Florida is the best of the three. I think they've had culture issues down there but there is no ceiling for that program.