Biggest loser in the O'Connor hiring?

HRMSU

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Wait, so you're telling me this is a BAD thing???? A number of posters have gone to great lengths to convince me and others that we needed to run off Leach's guys. And the dirty little secret is, Leach's guys, even with bad coaching, went 5-7. Lebby ran them off and went 2-10. Now Lebby is running off HIS OWN players, yet we're still supposed to believe this is Leach's fault? They can sell that elsewhere.



Both of you are somewhat correct. There will be 'some' churn and burn. We really just need to have a strategic plan of doing it. 1 - where and what type of high school players, 2 - where and what type of older transfer players do we target for holes, AND replace other transfers with, and 3 - what other supplemental ways can we bridge the gaps (weight training, NIL planning, etc.).

We can't just go out and cut players that don't contribute immediately, and replace them by throwing money at the portal.
Agree....that's what I meant about developing a system of churn and burn. In the corporate world it's called "forced ranking" or "rank and yank". If you are not an A player( that could be defined at State a little looser due to our historic obstacles) your days are numbered. Bs have a certain amount of time to become As and Cs should probably start looking elsewhere. Jack Welch made it famous at GE; it bred a high performing but cutthroat culture.

The analogy is you have to have a system that runs at peak performance to backfill. So, my point is build the system which would include framework like you listed but it has to be close ended. In Jack's GE,HR was the lifeblood because they hired and fired at a rapid pace.....that's what we need our GM team to do and it's why college programs are hiring GMs. If someone steals a player then we've got our draft board and we move to position of need or best available. The board should always be up to date and ready to act on.

Lastly, I'd de-emphasize( not stop)high school recruiting and go after grown men who have already proved they can compete in D1. Our board should have at least the 5 best players for every program below us and the 2-3 deep(backups) of every program above us. That's where we can compete for players and leverage the SEC as a strength and not an insurmountable weakness.
 

Dawg1976

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He's getting paid for 4 years even if we fire him in December.
It would be pointless to fire him after 2 years as a new coach will have the same NIL/portal system to deal with. Perhaps some tweaks will be made to the system but I doubt it.
 

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I think he means total.
Yes preacher that has been determined. Seems like Mississippi State Football is back to some lean years. I remember when we went 8-5 (4-4 SEC) back in 2007 in Croom's 4th year after we had 6 straight losing seasons and it felt good to start winning again. I just hope our drought this time is shorter.
 

preacher_dawg

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Yes preacher that has been determined. Seems like Mississippi State Football is back to some lean years. I remember when we went 8-5 (4-4 SEC) back in 2007 in Croom's 4th year after we had 6 straight losing seasons and it felt good to start winning again. I just hope our drought this time is shorter.
Sorry, I just boarded a plane and tried a witty response. I failed.
 

Maroon Eagle

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Yes preacher that has been determined. Seems like Mississippi State Football is back to some lean years. I remember when we went 8-5 (4-4 SEC) back in 2007 in Croom's 4th year after we had 6 straight losing seasons and it felt good to start winning again. I just hope our drought this time is shorter.

Searching for Good MSU Football current status:

Mel Brooks Desert GIF
 

blacklistedbully

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This may be wishful thinking, or I may be clinically insane after years of Statefandom, but I believe the additions of Paul Rhoads and Mike MacIntyre were huge in the offseason and will help tremendously on that side of the ball.

Two former D1 head coaches who are defensive guys has to help... doesn't it?
For some reason visions of Carl Torbush are dancing in my head.***

Seriously though, I do hope they help. but in this day & age of NIL and portal transfers I just don't see the potential it might have formerly suggested.

NIL & the portal have destroyed what made D1 college football special and better than the NFL.
 
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Darryl Steight

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For some reason visions of Carl Torbush are dancing in my head.***

Seriously though, I do hope they help. but in this day & age of NIL and portal transfers I just don;t see the potential it might have formerly suggested.

NIL & the portal have destroyed what made D1 callecge football special and better than the NFL.
Point taken. I forgot all about Torch-bush. Sheesh.