Yeah, because most suicides are for very good and logical reasons. Why is it so hard for some people to belive he could have killed himself? He was emotionally upset because the girl he couldn't live without had just told him again to leave her the hell alone and had called the cops on him. If he had a restraining order on him (which the story says he may have), he was also looking at possible jail time for breaking it. Guess what? That's a very common reason for suicide.Bulldog Backer said:
BILLEY JOE JOHNSON
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Follow the time line, 5:34 the officer radios in the red light incident, stop is made @ 5:39. 5:40 dispatcher is advised that Johnson had shot himself. So in 1 minute, the officer could find the shotgun, put it inside an SEC caliber running backs mouth and pull the trigger? Would this not cover the deputy in blood and no doubt have gun shot residue on his hands?
Guys, this is surely a tragedy, I just don't see how this could have been pulled off by anyone. The whole incident happened in less than 6 minutes from pursuit to ending.
Guys, this is surely a tragedy, I just don't see how this could have been pulled off by anyone. The whole incident happened in less than 6 minutes from pursuit to ending.
If the officer were going to shoot Johnson, wouldn't he have used his gun rather than Johnson's? Then it seems to me that he would have made sure that Johnson's gun was lying beside his body to show that he had pulled it on the officer. That would have been a much more believable scenario.
This sounds to me as those it is one of those tragically wrong, spur of the moment decisions teenagers sometimes make.
This sounds to me as those it is one of those tragically wrong, spur of the moment decisions teenagers sometimes make.
If the officer were going to shoot Johnson, wouldn't he have used his gun rather than Johnson's? Then it seems to me that he would have made sure that Johnson's gun was lying beside his body to show that he had pulled it on the officer. That would have been a much more believable scenario.
This sounds to me as those it is one of those tragically wrong, spur of the moment decisions teenagers sometimes make.
This sounds to me as those it is one of those tragically wrong, spur of the moment decisions teenagers sometimes make.
to the station for back up or to even let them know that someone was fleeing. That seems kinda strange to me..........
Bulldog Backer said:
A couple of years after I graduated there was a kid by the name of Nichols Phillips. He was a starter on the baseball team, had a gorgeous girl friend, and was one of the most popular kids in school (named class favorite several times). About a month before his senior season he shot himself in the head with a .22 pistol.
He had absolutely no motivation whatsoever to commit suicide. But he did.
All the article says is that he was pursued for 1.5 miles. Does that mean the officer was right up behind his truck with lights flashing & siren blaring, running 100mph, or did he spend 30-40 seconds of that pursuit just catching up with Johnson, and then another 30-40 seconds for him to find a suitable place to pull over? I know I've been followed by a cop for over a mile before - part of that mile was me acting cool like I hadn't done anything & hoping he'd just pull on around to pass me, and the other part was looking for somewhere to pull over so we wouldn't be blocking someone's drive way or off in a ditch. But I had no intentions of running & he didn't treat me like I had. I would think that's a fairly common scenario - especially if you're out on a country road.</p>
for everyone here mentioning" he doesn't fit the profile of someone who would kill themselves"...who the F#*$ does? I have known several indivuals that have committed the act. ALL...and I repeat...ALL appeared to be PERFECTLY happy and normal. Great families, careers, kids, etc. The truth is, you NEVER know what another person is thinking. The ONLY reason this is even a story is because of race. And that's a real shame for all parties involved.
This situation is unfortunate. But it's time for outside agitators to let it be. Some of you have watched Mississippi Burning one too many times.
This situation is unfortunate. But it's time for outside agitators to let it be. Some of you have watched Mississippi Burning one too many times.
turned on his blue light and pulled him over, into the parking lot of a local business, just off a well traveled city street...and BOOM, he is being accused of murder of a love sick, spoiled high school athlete.
I am really suprised at Billey Joe's family. I know that they know that it was either suicide or an accident. That cop did not shoot that kid.
Just a few weeks earlier Billey Joe was suspended from playing in the Oak Grove game because of an incident in the school hallway with the same girl.
I feel for his parents but that poor cop is living in Hell right now for doing his job.
I am really suprised at Billey Joe's family. I know that they know that it was either suicide or an accident. That cop did not shoot that kid.
Just a few weeks earlier Billey Joe was suspended from playing in the Oak Grove game because of an incident in the school hallway with the same girl.
I feel for his parents but that poor cop is living in Hell right now for doing his job.
........a young man with a bright future ahead of him is dead. That can't be overstated. It's a horrible tragedy. The other reason to be sad is that this is another unfortunate case that leads people to believing this state is still nothing but some backwoods, corrupted, racist cesspool. Maybe I'm just biased, but I believe that couldn't be further from the truth. This state, in my opinion, has come much further in race relations than many states, including ones that aren't even located in the southeastern US. There are a lot of reasons to be proud of where we stand today, yet isolated and mysterious incidents such as this one only seem to perpetuate many myths that keep hanging over our heads.
Now I too am not an "NAACP type," as others have said. In other words, I believe that when such an organization comes out so quickly and makes a determination that an incident was "not a suicide," it only serves as a detriment to a proper investigation. Because when they do that, all they're doing is stirring up people unnecessarily before all the facts come to bear. How do they know what the truth is, except for what they'd like to believe that's necessary to serve their own agenda?
All I can say at this point is that I believe the whole situation is very mysterious. On one hand it seems there's no way possible this young man would have killed himself, but I don't know how many times that people say they would have never imagined it possible when a person commits suicide. Sometimes it just happens, with no particular rhyme or reason known to others. This could also very well be a rare case of an officer who a) screwed up royally and tried to cover it up, or b) is a closet psycho killer. Hopefully the investigation finds out whether either are true, or if this was just a suicide. I just wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions before investigators release their findings and/or charge someone with a crime.
This sort of incident doesn't just happen in MS, ya know.
Now I too am not an "NAACP type," as others have said. In other words, I believe that when such an organization comes out so quickly and makes a determination that an incident was "not a suicide," it only serves as a detriment to a proper investigation. Because when they do that, all they're doing is stirring up people unnecessarily before all the facts come to bear. How do they know what the truth is, except for what they'd like to believe that's necessary to serve their own agenda?
All I can say at this point is that I believe the whole situation is very mysterious. On one hand it seems there's no way possible this young man would have killed himself, but I don't know how many times that people say they would have never imagined it possible when a person commits suicide. Sometimes it just happens, with no particular rhyme or reason known to others. This could also very well be a rare case of an officer who a) screwed up royally and tried to cover it up, or b) is a closet psycho killer. Hopefully the investigation finds out whether either are true, or if this was just a suicide. I just wish people wouldn't jump to conclusions before investigators release their findings and/or charge someone with a crime.
This sort of incident doesn't just happen in MS, ya know.
If with a shotgun, he did it. If not the cop did it. Check the splatter pattern and residue from the outside of the car, inside car door and his wound, and check the pattern of the shotgun he had. Then check the pattern of the shotgun of the officer if any. They usually keep them in a trunk. I am not a know-it-all but I do have immediate family in law enforcement and have seen every forensic files.