Bills Fire Head Coach
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I’ve been through this enough times with your stubborn asś to know there’s no changing your mind, but for the sake of everyone else reading your horse shít, I’ll still call you out.
First off, here’s your 0:23 mark. No clue what you’re seeing here:
Here’s the 0:24 mark below. Clearer view here, you see 4 fingers from Cooks’ left hand on the back nose ball, and he also has his right forearm over it and right hand on the front nose of the ball (right hand view obstructed here but is clearly seen from other angles). He has the ball sandwiched between both forearms. It’s not moving. And from here on, you can’t really tell when the left knee hits the ground….may already be there here.
Here’s the 0:25 mark below. As he begins to absorb the ground with left side of his body, his left hand moves off the ball, but the ball does not move. Position of ball relative to right forearm doesn’t change at all from previous image. Only the placement of the left hand. This may give illusion to some that “the ball is moving”, but clearly is not.
Finally, here’s a pretty damning confirmation from different angle from same video. 0:19 mark. Cooks literally laying on his side, clutching ball in right arm. McMillin still standing and reaching in with both arms, and no possession. Again, ball not moving.
Your own damn 0:23 mark BS actually proves the opposite of what you’re saying, which is kind of hilarious. It was a tough call in real time, but one that was still made incorrectly. It was made worse by the chickenshít crew that was unwilling to take an honest look at it.
I’ll anxiously await your usual one sentence smart-asś response or cheesy gif to distract from your total ineptitude in this argument.
Allen has 5 years left on his contract. I don't see the Bills going with a first time head coach. I see Brian Daboll, Mike McCarthy or Mike McDaniel as the leaders in the clubhouse.
I'm watching more of these playoffs than I have the past decade. Why? Denver is at least relevant again.
That said, I no longer know what a catch is, but I'll take it.
I'm not biased at all, you are!
If it weren't for Denver I'd have been pulling for the Bills. Rooted for them in their 4 straight SB losses.
That said, I no longer know what a catch is, but I'll take it.
I'm not biased at all, you are!
If it weren't for Denver I'd have been pulling for the Bills. Rooted for them in their 4 straight SB losses.
Back, and to the left. Back, and to the left...
(Not taking a side, just laughing)
This has been a thrilling Playoff season for the most part. Im trying to figure out what the "NFL is rigged" theorists are thinking? Maybe the college football playoffs have been so entertaining the NFL decided it needed more close games and upsets?
Guys….that pass should have never been even close to a part of the game. The Bills were holding all night and it was NEVER called. The smallest but last decisive one not called was in the end zone at the beginning of the OT drive. They held all night uncalled, though, causing the game to be way more dramatic than it should have been. The right team won. Obviously the Bills management knew it too, so they fired their coach.
The Bills had four other turnovers in the game besides that one, including the egregious fumble by Allen with 2 seconds left in the first half that gifted Denver a field goal. The Bills fans can cry all they want, but they choked away another playoff game, which is why they fired McDermott.
So let’s say the defender doesn’t end up with the ball and it hits the ground
Is it a fumble? Or incomplete?
You mean if everything happened the exact same way, except McMillan doesn’t secure it at the end and somehow loses it?
If that were the case, I’d argue it should be neither. It still should be a completion, and down by contact. You can’t have virtually unlimited time and ability for the defender to intervene after possession is secured and the ball carrier is down by contact. McMillan literally grabbed some combo of Cooks arm and the ball while forward somersaulting from a 20mph sprint….all after Cooks was down with possession.
Let’s say McMillan doesn’t contact him and cooks loses control of the ball at the exact same time minus any defender interference
I’m a bills fan by the way. I think it was a close call that could have gone either way. Not egregious one way or the other to me.
I’ll be damned if you didn’t find the very 17ing thing that blows the whole thing out of the water, and makes the league’s position even more indefensible. But its not what you circled. It’s actually what’s below it:Completing a Catch | NFL Football Operations
operations.nfl.com
What this means is that a receiver in process of completing a catch, but has not yet done so is a defenseless player until he either does or doesn’t catch the ball.
So, what does 12-2-9 say? Following the link…
So, it’s now overwhelmingly clear. McMillan, without any question, initiated contact with Cooks by landing on top of him while he was on the ground (was unable to ward off contact), and holding the ball.
If Cooks had not yet satisfied the process of the catch, then its a personal foul penalty for illegal contact by McMillan. If he HAD satisfied the process of the catch, then he’s down by contact by McMillan. By the letter of the rule, it has to be one of those two things. It cannot be anything else, including an interception.
They 17ed it up. Big time. If you’re a Bills fan, maybe email that to Goodell.
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That’s impossible to answer, because the movement of Cooks’ body was directly affected by McMillan’s contact and pulling him forward with pretty substantial force.
If we pretend McMillan wasn’t there at all, everything is different. It would all depend on whether Cooks body came to rest before the ball came out. If not, incomplete. If so, fumble. But since McMillan clearly pulled the ball out, its not really comparable.
Whichever way you see it, I do believe it deserves at least being replayed.