That's what I thought, and why I asked Bulldog77 to show something to back up his claim.
Blake Shapen - comparison to top 2024 QB performers
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Reading this thread reminds me of those congressional hearings in which a question will be asked, but rarely ever is it answered. Just my feelings. Now, I have a very simple question. Where does Mississippi State rank in terms of NIL contributions and effectiveness? Are we middle of the pack, higher end, or lower end? What? I have done my own online snooping and investigation, but I wanted to see if what I am reading is wrong or not. What I have been reading says that we are at the lower end, and will most likely stay that way for the foreseeable future. I, obviously, hope we are as strong as we can be in terms of NIL, and our ability to go after the players we think will make the program better. And yes, for the record, I have given to the NIL. Not as much as others, but more than some.
That's not a completely direct correlation. As someone else said above, there are multiple examples of us offering more money but the kid still choosing to play elsewhere. There are lots of factors at play here, and lots of obstacles to overcome for a coach to successfully recruit to Starkville. That just is what it is. Those stars might mean we are lower half in NIL. Probably does. But it doesn't mean we are dead 17'ing last, as one of those guys keeps saying.
Think about a player getting offered the same amount of NIL money to play here vs. Texas (or LSU/Bama/UGA/etc.). You think that guy is coming here?
I can't speak for him, but as for me - I have been told by a reliable source that we are "in pretty good shape" when it comes to NIL resources. This source said something akin to "that's not the problem" when speaking of our recent recruiting record. I interpret those comments as close enough to 'middle of the pack' when it comes to our rankings, and this source is good enough for me to believe it.
That's how I know. I know that's not good enough for you, but I don't know what else to tell you. But it is somewhat frustrating to keep seeing people call us poor and perpetuating an absolute falsehood (in my opinion) that we don't have NIL resources to compete, which does nothing to help in any way. In this one way, I'd rather our fans be more like Ole Miss fans who will lie in a heartbeat too, but their lies are always in their favor -- which CAN help recruiting, unfortunately. Their fans will brag about how much all their players get - right or wrong - so recruits hear it. Hell, their head coach rented a f'ing lambo or something to take to a recruiting party, so they could all take pictures with it and pretend it was someone's car.
They always lie to make themselves look better in public. Our fans seem to be the only ones who beat ourselves up publicly, which makes me shake my head.
I guess it’s a marketing technique to say we are ahead of 6-8 other sec programs in nil funding, thinking that will encourage small donors. I think it would be more helpful just to be honest about where the progrm stands, then expectations will be more realistic.
from some ranking I have seen we are like 39th / 40th which is decent for p4 teams but at the bottom of the sec.
If it’s not NIL, we need to fire some coaches. Like yesterday.
There’s no way a comprehensive ranking like that is accurate. Maybe there are a few schools whose true NIL numbers have been reported but not all 68 P4 schools. No way.
Yes. That was also mentioned. I think one of those situations has been rectified in baseball. We'll see in football.
Does this fanbase really need any more reasons to feel like the low man on the totem pole? The other fanbases already do that for us - I'm not sure why we would want to confirm it, if indeed we were in DFL place. Especially just for the sole reason of "being honest". No other fanbase demands that of their programs - they prioritize winning and gaining advantages anywhere they can over total and brutal honesty.
eta: I would guess we are at any time ranked between 25 and 40 in NIL sources. It's a guess, but it seems right. Like you said, it presents as low relative to the SEC, but pretty good nationally. Just like in every sport and every facet of our athletic department, we have chosen to live and compete in the toughest neighborhood in the country. So we live with it. And similar to recruiting, if that's the baseline and we can jump up into the 20-25 range with some consistency, we will be competitive.
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Really, is There any circumstance in life, as an adult where it’s better to be lied to ? I think that’s just avoiding reality
As an adult in the real world, in business, in a doctors office, in my church, no, I don't want anyone lying to me. I can handle the truth. But I see advertising all the time. Do you consider every ad you see a lie?
Raising money for NIL and recruiting players is marketing 101. You may not be in sales, but when you are selling a product, you don't point out to your potential customers all the bad things about your product. You have them focus on all the great things.
Which is part of my point - why would we purposely put out any numbers publicly that can be seen as negative or used against us by other programs?
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If I remember correctly, he took a lot of chances. Maybe he had to to move the ball. (Note to Darryl Sleight: use of "double to").
We are very competitive at this point within the SEC in football with NIL. We went 2-10 last year and had a good recruiting class considering that fact. You morons that think that everyone just commits to who pays the most and that isn’t true most of the time. Most of the time the money is even and your coaches have to win recruiting battles the same way they always have. The lack of knowledge coupled with the never in doubt attitude by posters with zero knowledge of situations is impressive.
Our recruiting class (HS + transfers) ranks #14 in the SEC. we’re tied for 14th with only 8 4* recruits. 13th is UK with 14 4* recruits. Nothing about this overall class could be considered “good”. So tell me again how good our NIL situation is.
Thats the same spot it has been in for 15 years. Again, you have to be able to recruit when the money is equal. That isn’t easy when you go 2-10 and have sh*tty facilities, even when you are giving competitive NIL offers. That’s why the people b*tching about facility upgrades continue to unknowingly embarass themselves. All the other stuff matters when the money is equal. You can’t just neglect them. Our cornerbacks coach could not sell cake to a fat kid. Should have been fired a long time ago.
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Sorry you spent this much effort on a "rundaball" fan. He will forever hate Leach because he didn't comply with his opinion.