Bo Bounds on running QBs........

[OG Goat Holder]

First of all, yes, I listen to him so if you don't or want to comment on how terrible they are, feel free, but would prefer not to clutter of the thread with dubmass "I mUh StOpPeD rEaDiNg At Bo BoUnDs!!!11". Anyways.....

He says you cannot win without a mobile QB. Not sure if he was talking about specifically MSU or anybody, maybe a little of both. But this is a more complex conversation that I am curious about. First, let's provide some parameters.

First, a true dual threat QB can succeed IN ANY OFFENSE. But there aren't many of these guys. Think Cam Newton, Johnny Football, Donovan McNabb. Really even Dak and many of the current NFL QBs you see like Josh Allen. But these are NFL guys, and NFL guys also THROW at an elite level. That's a requirement 99% of the time. I can think of 3 guys who didn't do that and succeeded in the NFL - Lamar Jackson, Michael Vick and Jalen Hurts.....and in the case of the first two it's because they are the most unbelievable athletes ever, and on Hurts, he also is a great athlete but has a super team around him.

But what this does, to me, is establishes throwing, not running, as the key skill to an offense that succeeds at the highest of levels, that wins championships, etc. Most QBs are going to lean one way......run first or pass first. But after you get past the true dual threat types listed above, you get to the dudes who can throw at an elite level but also can run 'enough' - Mahomes, Burrows, Love, Penix, etc. You see where I'm going with that. Many more of those, and many more pass-only QBs like Manning, Brady, etc. that have made it than the Jacksons/Vicks/Hurts over the years. Plus they get hurt more.

That said, a run-first QB definitely helps you win in the college game, or at least gives the impression that it does. And in high school all the way down to pee wee ball. It's the low hanging fruit, right? When in doubt put the fastest kid at QB and take off. Seems to me it almost can get you there, but without a super team around you, you can still be stopped by the good teams. This is why Mullen always bogged down here against the so-called blue bloods with elite defense except for when he had a Dak Prescott.

So let's take it back to MSU. Considering we aren't likely to find a true dual threat QB on every corner, you're likely going to have to pick either pass-first or run-first. We know a run-first guy can get us to 8-4, that's happened many times. But if we're looking to have a truly elite offense, wouldn't the smart money be on a passing guy, along with a little more investment in say, offensive tackles? That's the kind of offense that could take us past 8-4. And I get it, right now, 8-4 looks good. But in this era of portal, I say play for the big year once every few. The morale of the story is, to do that, I don't think we should sacrifice a good passing game for a running QB just because he can run.

Obviously the first example you think of is Shapen and Taylor, and obviously we all hope Taylor eventually is one of the dual threat NFL types. But chances are he isn't, and he definitely isn't right now. So I'm not sure why we clamor for that so much here unless we just want to commit the program forever to being ground and pound, which isn't that smart considering the rules today that protect the passer and receivers. Not to mention the proof that you have to throw it to win big 90%+ of the time.

It's funny how things ebb and flow, because 3-4 years ago Bo was praising Leach and others (like the MRA coach) for slinging it all over the yard, and that's how you have to win. Just proves that MSU RuNdAbAwL can always creep back in. It's like it's our DNA.

 

[beachbumdawg]

Cliffs…

 

[dawgstudent]

Cliffs…

The author reflects on a sports commentator’s claim that you can't win without a mobile quarterback (QB), especially in the context of Mississippi State University (MSU). They explore the idea by breaking down QB types:

• True dual-threat QBs (e.g., Cam Newton, Dak Prescott) can succeed in any offense but are rare.
• Elite passers who can run “enough” (e.g., Mahomes, Burrow) are more common and often more successful long-term.
• Run-first QBs can be effective in college and lower levels but tend to hit a ceiling against elite defenses unless surrounded by a great team.

The key takeaway is that elite passing ability is more critical than running for sustained success, especially at higher levels. MSU has historically leaned on mobile QBs, but the author argues that to break past the usual 8-4 ceiling, MSU should prioritize developing a strong passing game and invest in offensive line talent.

They caution against defaulting to run-heavy strategies and suggest aiming for occasional breakout seasons by building around a pass-first QB, rather than settling for consistent but limited success.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

The author reflects on a sports commentator’s claim that you can't win without a mobile quarterback (QB), especially in the context of Mississippi State University (MSU). They explore the idea by breaking down QB types:

• True dual-threat QBs (e.g., Cam Newton, Dak Prescott) can succeed in any offense but are rare.
• Elite passers who can run “enough” (e.g., Mahomes, Burrow) are more common and often more successful long-term.
• Run-first QBs can be effective in college and lower levels but tend to hit a ceiling against elite defenses unless surrounded by a great team.

The key takeaway is that elite passing ability is more critical than running for sustained success, especially at higher levels. MSU has historically leaned on mobile QBs, but the author argues that to break past the usual 8-4 ceiling, MSU should prioritize developing a strong passing game and invest in offensive line talent.

They caution against defaulting to run-heavy strategies and suggest aiming for occasional breakout seasons by building around a pass-first QB, rather than settling for consistent but limited success.

GoatGPT, nice work

 

[MSUDOG24]

The author reflects on a sports commentator’s claim that you can't win without a mobile quarterback (QB), especially in the context of Mississippi State University (MSU). They explore the idea by breaking down QB types:

• True dual-threat QBs (e.g., Cam Newton, Dak Prescott) can succeed in any offense but are rare.
• Elite passers who can run “enough” (e.g., Mahomes, Burrow) are more common and often more successful long-term.
• Run-first QBs can be effective in college and lower levels but tend to hit a ceiling against elite defenses unless surrounded by a great team.

The key takeaway is that elite passing ability is more critical than running for sustained success, especially at higher levels. MSU has historically leaned on mobile QBs, but the author argues that to break past the usual 8-4 ceiling, MSU should prioritize developing a strong passing game and invest in offensive line talent.

They caution against defaulting to run-heavy strategies and suggest aiming for occasional breakout seasons by building around a pass-first QB, rather than settling for consistent but limited success.

Had to LOL at that, "the author reflects" and "they caution" exceedingly well done.

 

[ronpolk]

I’ll admit I didn’t read the entire novel you wrote but I read enough that hopefully I got your point.

I don’t believe it’s necessary to have a mobile QB to be successful. There are great examples in the NFL of teams teams that succeed with a pocket passer…. Stafford and burrow come to mind. But a true dual threat QB does force the game to be 11 on 11. But I don’t want a one read QB that has one read and then running (Justin fields). What Josh Allen and Mahomes do is work to extend the play as long as possible behind the line of scrimmage and then run as a last option. That is truly where a dual threat QB is magic.

 

[PrimeDog]

The MSU passing record book is so pathetic outside of Dak, Tyler Russell and Will Rogers and it is reflective of our history as a doormat dating back to the 70s and 80s where we historically failed to move the ball on any of the SEC power teams with a few exceptions.

it baffles me that when we have any kind of adversity in the passing game, many MSU fans throw up their hands and want to run the damn wishbone or triple option and think that it is going to make things better.

For some of the struggles that we have had trying to catch up to modern football, abandoning the pass would be epicly stupid. Hell we don’t win the damn Arizona State game without the pass. At MSU we just strive to make offensive football hard while 50-60 other teams every year run up and down the field putting up stupid numbers.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Further, we know 9-3 or 10-2 gets us in playoff contention, right? Well you have two schools of thought:

- Our 9-3 or 10-2 level seasons in the semi-modern era (2014, 1999, 1994, 1980, 1976, 1974). Half featured a run-first, 2 featured a pass-first, 1 was a true dual threat. So shouldn't we run the QB more? Fair question, but.....
- The other school of thought says, why haven't we had more than 6 of these seasons in the past 50 years? Perhaps we should try a passing approach more often.

 

[The Peeper]

There are great examples in the NFL of teams teams that succeed with a pocket passer….

Some names from the past too like Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, John Elway, Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Warren Moon, Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, etc etc

 

[OG Goat Holder]

What Josh Allen and Mahomes do is work to extend the play as long as possible behind the line of scrimmage and then run as a last option. That is truly where a dual threat QB is magic.

Agree, but those guys are elite passers too. We probably aren't finding many of them on a consistent basis, but yes......should be the goal for sure.

 

[Colonel Kang]

Ole Miss has found a dual threat QB like 10 years in a row.

You guys are making it sound way way harder than it is. The key is not compromising & continuing to dig until you find the guy.

Bo Wallace - East Mississippi
Jordan Ta'amu - New Mexico Military
Matt Corral - Dropped from Florida
Chad Kelly - Dropped from Clemson
Trinidad - Ferris State

The mistake everyone makes in this debate is the assumption that all these guys are 5 stars. Far from it. Ole Miss has done an incredible job at seeking out a skill set & not compromising hell or high water & that's what they have been better than us at QB for all of the last 10 years except for Dak in 2015

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Ole Miss has found a dual threat QB like 10 years in a row.

You guys are making it sound way way harder than it is. The key is not compromising & continuing to dig until you find the guy.

Bo Wallace - East Mississippi
Jordan Ta'amu - New Mexico Military
Matt Corral - Dropped from Florida
Chad Kelly - Dropped from Clemson
Trinidad - Ferris State

The mistake everyone makes in this debate is the assumption that all these guys are 5 stars. Far from it. Ole Miss has done an incredible job at seeking out a skill set & not compromising hell or high water & that's what they have been better than us at QB for all of the last 10 years except for Dak in 2015

Fair point, but those guys are also pass-first. As long as they can throw it well, I'm all for it. But it kind of makes the point - Ole Miss has had pretty good football success lately and yes they do a better job attracting QBs.

Dart is another. And I admit, it does seem the average throwing QB these days does seem to be a better runner than before. Not sure if that's growing up doing speed training or what.

 

[aTotal360]

Dual-threat QBs hide your shortcomings in your OL. IMO, they are essential to the college game.

 

[Colonel Kang]

Fair point, but those guys are also pass-first. As long as they can throw it well, I'm all for it. But it kind of makes the point - Ole Miss has had pretty good football success lately and yes they do a better job attracting QBs.

Dart is another. And I admit, it does seem the average throwing QB these days does seem to be a better runner than before. Not sure if that's growing up doing speed training or what.

I don't think they attracted any of the guys I listed. They went out found them. Other than Corral, I'm not sure anyone wanted the other guys.

Dart is different. He was a big recruit

 

[8dog]

I really thought everyone learned this with Quincy Carter and Matt Jones, but nonetheless, here we are

 

[Chesusdog]

The author reflects on a sports commentator’s claim that you can't win without a mobile quarterback (QB), especially in the context of Mississippi State University (MSU). They explore the idea by breaking down QB types:

• True dual-threat QBs (e.g., Cam Newton, Dak Prescott) can succeed in any offense but are rare.
• Elite passers who can run “enough” (e.g., Mahomes, Burrow) are more common and often more successful long-term.
• Run-first QBs can be effective in college and lower levels but tend to hit a ceiling against elite defenses unless surrounded by a great team.

The key takeaway is that elite passing ability is more critical than running for sustained success, especially at higher levels. MSU has historically leaned on mobile QBs, but the author argues that to break past the usual 8-4 ceiling, MSU should prioritize developing a strong passing game and invest in offensive line talent.

They caution against defaulting to run-heavy strategies and suggest aiming for occasional breakout seasons by building around a pass-first QB, rather than settling for consistent but limited success.

Need to make this a feature for every SPS diatribe. Some of ya'll must be getting paid by the word.

 

[Drebin]

Ole Miss has found a dual threat QB like 10 years in a row.

You guys are making it sound way way harder than it is. The key is not compromising & continuing to dig until you find the guy.

Bo Wallace - East Mississippi
Jordan Ta'amu - New Mexico Military
Matt Corral - Dropped from Florida
Chad Kelly - Dropped from Clemson
Trinidad - Ferris State

The mistake everyone makes in this debate is the assumption that all these guys are 5 stars. Far from it. Ole Miss has done an incredible job at seeking out a skill set & not compromising hell or high water & that's what they have been better than us at QB for all of the last 10 years except for Dak in 2015

Not all, but many of those guys were players nobody else wanted. They've definitely hit the lottery more than once with QBs on their last chance.

 

[ckDOG]

A QB that can get yards with his legs in addition to passing effectively is always an advantage. Always. It's simple math. We need that added advantage at MSU.

It'll be interesting to see if programs without as much money lean on approaches that don't run their QBs as much despite the inherent scheme advantage. What good does your NIL fundraising do if you give half of it to a QB and injure him by game 3?

 

[Colonel Kang]

Not all, but many of those guys were players nobody else wanted. They've definitely hit the lottery more than once with QBs on their last chance.

They've refused to compromise. That's the key

"Hey fellas, I don't care if we have to go to Pakistan, we ain't signing a concrete shoe QB"

 

[Drebin]

They've refused to compromise. That's the key

"Hey fellas, I don't care if we have to go to Pakistan, we ain't signing a concrete shoe QB"

Outside of the Leach experiment, we've had mostly mobile QBs too.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

A QB that can get yards with his legs in addition to passing effectively is always an advantage. Always. It's simple math. We need that added advantage at MSU.

In the presence of a successful passing game, absolutely.

Some of you are taking a certain level of passing acumen as a given. It isn't. Remember how ya'll wanted Nick Fitzgerald benched?

 

[Perd Hapley]

Fair point, but those guys are also pass-first.

Every QB at college level and above is “pass-first”. This isn’t 1965.

The question is what kind of passes are you throwing? If you run a lot and can’t throw the deep ball, you’ll get falsely labeled as a “run-first” QB, even though that’s not reality.

Even Chris Relf was a pass-first QB, with accuracy that drastically started to deteriorate beyond 15-20 yards or so. But he was still at least a decent college QB. And he wasn’t some magic man at evading the rush or extending plays either. He had just enough athleticism to be able to use his physicality in the run game without getting hurt.

Overall, its far easier to have a functional offense with a mobile QB that has limited accuracy than it is with a QB that has elite accuracy but zero mobility or physicality. Neither is preferable, but one requires a lot more supporting pieces elsewhere than the other does.

 

[mcdawg22]

Well, Prince, so Genoa and Lucca are now just family estates of the Buonapartes. But I warn you, if you don’t tell me that this means war, if you still try to defend the infamies and horrors perpetrated by that Antichrist—I really believe he is Antichrist—I will have nothing more to do with you and you are no longer my friend, no longer my ‘faithful slave,’ as you call yourself! But how do you do? I see I have frightened you—sit down and tell me all the news.”

It was in July, 1805, and the speaker was the well-known Anna Pávlovna Schérer, maid of honor and favorite of the Empress Márya Fëdorovna. With these words she greeted Prince Vasíli Kurágin, a man of high rank and importance, who was the first to arrive at her reception. Anna Pávlovna had had a cough for some days. She was, as she said, suffering from la grippe; grippe being then a new word in St. Petersburg, used only by the elite.

All her invitations without exception, written in French, and delivered by a scarlet-liveried footman that morning, ran as follows:

“If you have nothing better to do, Count (or Prince), and if the prospect of spending an evening with a poor invalid is not too terrible, I shall be very charmed to see you tonight between 7 and 10—Annette Schérer.”

“Heavens! what a virulent attack!” replied the prince, not in the least disconcerted by this reception. He had just entered, wearing an embroidered court uniform, knee breeches, and shoes, and had stars on his breast and a serene expression on his flat face. He spoke in that refined French in which our grandfathers not only spoke but thought, and with the gentle, patronizing intonation natural to a man of importance who had grown old in society and at court. He went up to Anna Pávlovna, kissed her hand, presenting to her his bald, scented, and shining head, and complacently seated himself on the sofa.

“First of all, dear friend, tell me how you are. Set your friend’s mind at rest,” said he without altering his tone, beneath the politeness and affected sympathy of which indifference and even irony could be discerned.

“Can one be well while suffering morally? Can one be calm in times like these if one has any feeling?” said Anna Pávlovna. “You are staying the whole evening, I hope?”

“And the fete at the English ambassador’s? Today is Wednesday. I must put in an appearance there,” said the prince. “My daughter is coming for me to take me there.”

“I thought today’s fete had been canceled. I confess all these festivities and fireworks are becoming wearisome.”

“If they had known that you wished it, the entertainment would have been put off,” said the prince, who, like a wound-up clock, by force of habit said things he did not even wish to be believed.

“Don’t tease! Well, and what has been decided about Novosíltsev’s dispatch? You know everything.”

“What can one say about it?” replied the prince in a cold, listless tone. “What has been decided? They have decided that Buonaparte has burnt his boats, and I believe that we are ready to burn ours.”

Prince Vasíli always spoke languidly, like an actor repeating a stale part. Anna Pávlovna Schérer on the contrary, despite her forty years, overflowed with animation and impulsiveness. To be an enthusiast had become her social vocation and, sometimes even when she did not feel like it, she became enthusiastic in order not to disappoint the expectations of those who knew her. The subdued smile which, though it did not suit her faded features, always played round her lips expressed, as in a spoiled child, a continual consciousness of her charming defect, which she neither wished, nor could, nor considered it necessary, to correct.

In the midst of a conversation on political matters Anna Pávlovna burst out:

“Oh, don’t speak to me of Austria. Perhaps I don’t understand things, but Austria never has wished, and does not wish, for war. She is betraying us! Russia alone must save Europe. Our gracious sovereign recognizes his high vocation and will be true to it. That is the one thing I have faith in! Our good and wonderful sovereign has to perform the noblest role on earth, and he is so virtuous and noble that God will not forsake him. He will fulfill his vocation and crush the hydra of revolution, which has become more terrible than ever in the person of this murderer and villain! We alone must avenge the blood of the just one.... Whom, I ask you, can we rely on?... England with her commercial spirit will not and cannot understand the Emperor Alexander’s loftiness of soul. She has refused to evacuate Malta. She wanted to find, and still seeks, some secret motive in our actions. What answer did Novosíltsev get? None. The English have not understood and cannot understand the self-abnegation of our Emperor who wants nothing for himself, but only desires the good of mankind. And what have they promised? Nothing! And what little they have promised they will not perform! Prussia has always declared that Buonaparte is invincible, and that all Europe is powerless before him.... And I don’t believe a word that Hardenburg says, or Haugwitz either. This famous Prussian neutrality is just a trap. I have faith only in God and the lofty destiny of our adored monarch. He will save Europe!”

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Overall, its far easier to have a functional offense with a mobile QB that has limited accuracy than it is with a QB that has elite accuracy but zero mobility or physicality. Neither is preferable, but one requires a lot more supporting pieces elsewhere than the other does.

Easier to go 7-5 or 8-4 maybe.

I'm trying to go 9-3 or 10-2. On a semi-consistent basis.

 

[patdog]

Further, we know 9-3 or 10-2 gets us in playoff contention, right? Well you have two schools of thought:

- Our 9-3 or 10-2 level seasons in the semi-modern era (2014, 1999, 1994, 1980, 1976, 1974). Half featured a run-first, 2 featured a pass-first, 1 was a true dual threat. So shouldn't we run the QB more? Fair question, but.....
- The other school of thought says, why haven't we had more than 6 of these seasons in the past 50 years? Perhaps we should try a passing approach more often.

3 of those seasons came with a 6-game sec schedule. 5 of them came in a different era of football. Really all 6. The game has changed a lot in the last decade.

 

[Colonel Kang]

Outside of the Leach experiment, we've had mostly mobile QBs too.

That extended to Arnett & now Shapen for two years. Shapen has some athleticism but isn't fast or durable enough to really run

 

[OG Goat Holder]

3 of those seasons came with a 6-game sec schedule. 5 of them came in a different era of football. Really all 6. The game has changed a lot in the last decade.

That makes the point for throwing the ball even moreso. I tend to think of 20-25 years as 'modern', and our only big success during that time has come with an NFL level QB.

I know we've come close to that here and there with runners (2010, 2017-2018) but we never had a true shot at the title like we did in 2014. I also think eventually Mike Leach would have produced a season like that.

Would like to see more than once a decade though. I guess we had a legit team in 2015 too, again, with Dak tossing all over the yard.

 

[Drebin]

That extended to Arnett & now Shapen for two years. Shapen has some athleticism but isn't fast or durable enough to really run

Shapen is fairly mobile. He's not a running QB but he's not Will Rogers either. Speaking of stone feet, Arnett inherited him. Like I said, Leach experiment.

 

[PrimeDog]

A QB that can get yards with his legs in addition to passing effectively is always an advantage. Always. It's simple math. We need that added advantage at MSU.

It'll be interesting to see if programs without as much money lean on approaches that don't run their QBs as much despite the inherent scheme advantage. What good does your NIL fundraising do if you give half of it to a QB and injure him by game 3?

What we CAN NOT do is get ourselves into an Auburn situation with a running QB that can not pass. We are not and have never been built to consistently run for 250-300 on SEC opponents.

We need a polished Taylen Green, KJ Jefferson type guy that like you said is pass first but can rack up yards with his legs. Time will tell if Kamario becomes that guy if he even finishes up at MSU.

 

[PrimeDog]

In the presence of a successful passing game, absolutely.

Some of you are taking a certain level of passing acumen as a given. It isn't. Remember how ya'll wanted Nick Fitzgerald benched?

If Fitz could have repeated his passing numbers from his sophomore year and just become a 60-62% passer he would have become an All American. He just couldn’t do it.

thank god for the portal and we don’t have to bring in HS option projects anymore.

 

[ckDOG]

What we CAN NOT do is get ourselves into an Auburn situation with a running QB that can not pass. We are not and have never been built to consistently run for 250-300 on SEC opponents.

We need a polished Taylen Green, KJ Jefferson type guy that like you said is pass first but can rack up yards with his legs. Time will tell if Kamario becomes that guy if he even finishes up at MSU.

Agree. It doesn't have to be a run first or run focused QB. It just needs to be someone moderately athletic and durable that can read the defense to take advantage of numbers situations or roll out when the pocket fails to pick up garbage yards. The simple respect a defense has to give a QB capable of that automatically gives him a higher ceiling as a passer and keeps the chains moving.

That was one thing about Leach I never understood. His offense did so well at forcing defenders away from the LOS and into zone coverages. A bigger QB with a little strength should have been able to immediately run for a guaranteed 4-5 yards on the right read. Either letting us get easy 1st downs and burn clock or force the safeties to cheat toward LOS so we can take the top off. He never seemed to care to do that.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Agree. It doesn't have to be a run first or run focused QB. It just needs to be someone moderately athletic and durable that can read the defense to take advantage of numbers situations or roll out when the pocket fails to pick up garbage yards. The simple respect a defense has to give a QB capable of that automatically gives him a higher ceiling as a passer and keeps the chains moving.

That was one thing about Leach I never understood. His offense did so well at forcing defenders away from the LOS and into zone coverages. A bigger QB with a little strength should have been able to immediately run for a guaranteed 4-5 yards on the right read. Either letting us get easy 1st downs and burn clock or force the safeties to cheat toward LOS so we can take the top off. He never seemed to care to do that.

Or at least using it to keep the defense honest instead of dropping 8 in coverage.

 

[ckDOG]

Or at least using it to keep the defense honest instead of dropping 8 in coverage.

Yep. And I don't think it was a just Rogers thing either. His QBs either were never capable or green lighted to run. Surely it was something he was stubborn about bc he felt it wasn't necessary on paper if the execution of the base scheme was there. While that's true it's not very practical especially when better teams shut down your base offense. An extra dynamic would at least give you a chance.

 

[Maroon13]

Me thinks.... whomever is paying Kamaro's salary is using Bo Bounds as a mouth piece to stump for KT.

lebby is no idiot. It's obvious KT is an exceptional athlete with size. However there must be something missing.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Me thinks.... whomever is paying Kamaro's salary is using Bo Bounds as a mouth piece to stump for KT.

lebby is no idiot. It's obvious KT is an exceptional athlete with size. However there must be something missing.

From different sources I’ve heard that he’s still pretty raw and that’s why he’s not playing a lot which is understandable sometimes with a true freshman.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Agree. It doesn't have to be a run first or run focused QB. It just needs to be someone moderately athletic and durable that can read the defense to take advantage of numbers situations or roll out when the pocket fails to pick up garbage yards. The simple respect a defense has to give a QB capable of that automatically gives him a higher ceiling as a passer and keeps the chains moving.

That was one thing about Leach I never understood. His offense did so well at forcing defenders away from the LOS and into zone coverages. A bigger QB with a little strength should have been able to immediately run for a guaranteed 4-5 yards on the right read. Either letting us get easy 1st downs and burn clock or force the safeties to cheat toward LOS so we can take the top off. He never seemed to care to do that.

We have Shapen. I don’t see what the issue is there. He’s exactly what you describe.

 

[OopsICroomedmypants]

Dual-threat QBs hide your shortcomings in your OL. IMO, they are essential to the college game.

I couldn't have said it better. A good dual threat could win us an extra game or two per year. A few busted plays turned into first down runs could keep a few drives going and turn into an extra 10 to 14 points in a game.

 

[ckDOG]

We have Shapen. I don’t see what the issue is there. He’s exactly what you describe.

He's okay. Probably a C at the ground stuff. Still gets sacked a lot and an injury risk. I'd feel better about him if we were confident in his durability and get him more involved with his legs than we do currently.