Boogie Fland enters portal

[Runt#1969]

Since we're talking Arkansas and CCC here in this thread, I just felt like sharing some thoughts :

DJ came in for Calipari at UK as a heralded OAD prospect. I think the general consensus is that Cal isn't the greatest coach for developing talent over time. Rather, he built his teams on the premise of acquiring the best most elite OAD talent and riding with it.

Now that he is supposedly shifting to a goal of "retention" in this day and age (which, I think would be a wise move for him, especially at a position like DJ's) he's making a move away from an overreliance on freshman talent.

But it also highlights another area where Cal fails consistently (as far as I am concerned) which is - player development.

DJ will have been with him for 4 years now. If Cal were half as good as some claim his developmental skills are, then DJ would have been LONG GONE. Considering the modern landscape of today's game, Cal has got to change at least SOME of his philosophical ideas of coaching or he is going to have more seasons where it began as last year's and let's be honest here, until the Kentucky game lit the fire underneath his players asses, they were destined for the NIT or worse.

Hog fans were livid and miserable for the vast majority of the season with him. Then suddenly, magically, it all seemed "OK" .... well ..... Kentucky fans lived through the CCC years with this perpetual dilemma - knowing what was ultimately going to transpire, young and inexperienced teams struggling early, then finding some semblance of togetherness to put together a decent year. And in the end, ultimately flaming out against lesser competition when the pressure and talent gradient became more even during the tournament (s).

If I were a hog fan, I would take everything that man says with a huge grain of salt, and hold him accountable in ways that the wiser Kentucky fans did while he was here. That way, you might be able to avoid early season meltdowns and being proverbially one loss away from not even making the NCAA tournament every year. Because if he continues the ways of his past, that's exactly where Arkansas will be headed.

NOWHERE.

or at the very least, a repeat performance of regular season struggles, with the total crapshoot of breaking thru at the end to nab a low seed, only to hope for some kind of "magical run" - which isn't going to happen often at all.

Pick your poison

word to the wise

 

[bucsrule8872]

He could have pushed Knox,Billy,Wag and Brazille out if he had chosen to. He said from the gitgo retention was his goal. Im not sure Thiero is gone. he has been posting a bunch of hog stuff lately. We will see. But having 4-5 fresh in top 8-9 is not happening this coming year anyway. Dont suspect it will again.

Retention won’t matter. Cal tried that with the 22-23 team. He had six Seniors that year including the NPOY (Tshiebwe). Only played two Freshmen (Wallace and Livingston) meaningful minutes. Had a key portal transfer (Reeves). Still lost in the second round to Kansas St.

Cal is not a good X’s and O’s Coach. He needs to hire a good strategist, but hasn’t yet.

I think he has a renewed fire. I will give him that. He coached a pretty decent game against Pitino, a coach he has owned over the last several years.

And he beat Self, a coach that has owned him in recent years. But we all know that KU was a team on the edge teetering due to some major internal issues.

Texas Tech was a good not great team and Cal reverted back to normal and tightened up and blew a lead with his usual “play not to lose instead of playing to win” strategy of taking the air out of the ball.

He may take you back to the Final Four, he has the pieces, but he had the pieces several times since 2015 and failed.

I would say best of luck to you, but I don’t want Cal to succeed, because he doesn’t deserve to after the way he coached the last several years for us. He doesn’t deserve success. The only way he will ever sniff another FF is pure luck and/or overwhelming talent. Hope he flames out in the first or second round for y’all like he did for us the last several years.

If anyone needs a slice of humble pie, it’s Cal.

When he fails, he blames the kids or the fans, sure he may act like he has ownership, but notice how he will say “it’s on me, but…” and then throws his team under the bus.

When he is successful, he about breaks his arm trying to pat himself on the back. Sure, he’ll say, “proud of our kids, they deserve the credit, but…”.

Cal tries to put up a “humility” front, but deep down he needs to be coddled and gushed over.

 

[CastleRubric]

I live in the northeast but found this place on a trip back to Kentucky.

They have elite sandwiches, their pimento cheese is next level.

But the location is like going back to the 70s.

Yep - location doesn't scream "eat here"

The line of ppl waiting to get in is always a little daunting

The spreads and dips they have are worth buying separately

Everyone needs to try Dads Favorites

 

[cardsfan53]

Retention won’t matter. Cal tried that with the 22-23 team. He had six Seniors that year including the NPOY (Tshiebwe). Only played two Freshmen (Wallace and Livingston) meaningful minutes. Had a key portal transfer (Reeves). Still lost in the second round to Kansas St.

Cal is not a good X’s and O’s Coach. He needs to hire a good strategist, but hasn’t yet.

I think he has a renewed fire. I will give him that. He coached a pretty decent game against Pitino, a coach he has owned over the last several years.

And he beat Self, a coach that has owned him in recent years. But we all know that KU was a team on the edge teetering due to some major internal issues.

Texas Tech was a good not great team and Cal reverted back to normal and tightened up and blew a lead with his usual “play not to lose instead of playing to win” strategy of taking the air out of the ball.

He may take you back to the Final Four, he has the pieces, but he had the pieces several times since 2015 and failed.

I would say best of luck to you, but I don’t want Cal to succeed, because he doesn’t deserve to after the way he coached the last several years for us. He doesn’t deserve success. The only way he will ever sniff another FF is pure luck and/or overwhelming talent. Hope he flames out in the first or second round for y’all like he did for us the last several years.

If anyone needs a slice of humble pie, it’s Cal.

When he fails, he blames the kids or the fans, sure he may act like he has ownership, but notice how he will say “it’s on me, but…” and then throws his team under the bus.

When he is successful, he about breaks his arm trying to pat himself on the back. Sure, he’ll say, “proud of our kids, they deserve the credit, but…”.

Cal tries to put up a “humility” front, but deep down he needs to be coddled and gushed over.

He needed a good Xś and O´s guy and hired Kenny Payne lol. In his defense that Kansas State team was red hot, UK beats them 8 out of 10 times maybe even 9.

 

[BBNinSC_rivals62411]

Tell me what?. Im not saying we will win a game next year, Im not saying we will be KY like we did this year. All I am saying is Cal is not going to be relying on a bunch of freshmen. He wanted retention and got it. Transfers experienced.
That is all I have ever said on here. Surely you guys can see that is what he has done.

He has this retention by accident. The players Arkansas retained aren’t good enough to go anywhere else. Your team was a loss to South Carolina away from missing the NCAA tournament and the best players from that team are gone.
Now, you’ll start telling everyone how good the incoming Freshmen are going to be.

 

[bucsrule8872]

He needed a good Xś and O´s guy and hired Kenny Payne lol. In his defense that Kansas State team was read hot, UK beats them 8 out of 10 times maybe even 9.

And even worse, he hired an X’s and O’s guy his last season at UK (can’t remember his name), but wouldn’t listen to him, so when he left for Arkansas, dude went somewhere else.

Cal wanted Brad on his staff anyway, so it all worked out.

Earned Not Given!!!

 

[Skyguyb27]

He could have pushed Knox,Billy,Wag and Brazille out if he had chosen to. He said from the gitgo retention was his goal. Im not sure Thiero is gone. he has been posting a bunch of hog stuff lately. We will see. But having 4-5 fresh in top 8-9 is not happening this coming year anyway. Dont suspect it will again.

You’re literally proving my point. No, he couldn’t push Wagner out. He has ties to his family, and Wagner isn’t going to the NBA today, he’s a project or a cog in the OAD machine. If you think Thiero or any of the other mentioned above WANT to come back your drinking the koolaid. The problem is those other guys are all 2nd round projects, not exactly what Cal sells to recruits. “Come to Cal University” and be a 2nd round pick.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

Tell me what?. Im not saying we will win a game next year, Im not saying we will be KY like we did this year. All I am saying is Cal is not going to be relying on a bunch of freshmen. He wanted retention and got it. Transfers experienced.
That is all I have ever said on here. Surely you guys can see that is what he has done.

Great post and agree. We will have Billy back, Knox, TB and Wagner. DJ had options and tough choice coming back with Acuff and Meleek coming in but he loves being a Hog and loves playing for Cal and his experience will pay dividends. DJ is the most selfless player i can remember in awhile.

 

[bucsrule8872]

Great post and agree. We will have Billy back, Knox, TB and Wagner. DJ had options and tough choice coming back with Acuff and Meleek coming in but he loves being a Hog and loves playing for Cal and his experience will pay dividends. DJ is the most selfless player i can remember in awhile.

Selfless because he came back because he really has nowhere else to go?

Interesting.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

Selfless because he came back because he really has nowhere else to go?

Interesting.

What's interesting is if you really believe he didn't have other options. He could've gotten a bag to go almost anywhere and be the man. There's not much question about that depending on what colored glasses you are looking through.

 

[Brooks05]

Great post and agree. We will have Billy back, Knox, TB and Wagner. DJ had options and tough choice coming back with Acuff and Meleek coming in but he loves being a Hog and loves playing for Cal and his experience will pay dividends. DJ is the most selfless player i can remember in awhile.

I believe Billy and Knox show that Cal has changed….at least a bit. They would have gone, even if it wasn’t in their best interest, if it was the Kentucky era Cal. At Arkansas now, they stayed. It was in their best interest. They can make good money and continue to mature. Also, I doubt Cal will win another NC. The stars and planets had to line up with the 2012 roster to get it done. They lined up again in 2015 and Cal got in his own way and he blew it….and I’m a huge UK and Cal fan. I don’t believe Arky has the brand to get that kind of roster (elite freshmen) and now things have changed anyway. The roster needs to be pieced together in a very calculated fashion. More like a baseball roster. That’s not Cal’s forte. He’s better when raw talent and athleticism overrides other variables.

 

[Skyguyb27]

What's interesting is if you really believe he didn't have other options. He could've gotten a bag to go almost anywhere and be the man. There's not much question about that depending on what colored glasses you are looking through.

Why would he go anywhere else? He knows Cal will start him and play him no matter how bad he stinks it up. He is “protected” there.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

I believe Billy and Knox show that Cal has changed….at least a bit. They would have gone, even if it wasn’t in their best interest, if it was the Kentucky era Cal. At Arkansas now, they stayed. It was in their best interest. They can make good money and continue to mature. Also, I doubt Cal will win another NC. The stars and planets had to line up with the 2012 roster to get it done. They lined up again in 2015 and Cal got in his own way and he blew it….and I’m a huge UK and Cal fan. I don’t believe Arky has the brand to get that kind of roster (elite freshmen) and now things have changed anyway. The roster needs to be pieced together in a very calculated fashion. More like a baseball roster. That’s not Cal’s forte. He’s better when raw talent and athleticism overrides other variables.

Great post.

 

[HogFan2012]

He has this retention by accident. The players Arkansas retained aren’t good enough to go anywhere else. Your team was a loss to South Carolina away from missing the NCAA tournament and the best players from that team are gone.
Now, you’ll start telling everyone how good the incoming Freshmen are going to be.

None of that is really true don't let your hate influence your words.
AR was not even the last 4 in, the SEC got a bunch of teams in and we were middle of the pack in the SEC season with the tie breakers.
For our freshmen not sure of current rankings but #1 in position PG, #2 in position OG, I think #13 F for the overseas guy no clue but he did enter the NBA draft the year before before withdrawing.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Why are some acting like Knox is returning to Arkansas? Did he announce something I missed?

 

[HamuelLJackson]

None of that is really true don't let your hate influence your words.
AR was not even the last 4 in, the SEC got a bunch of teams in and we were middle of the pack in the SEC season with the tie breakers.
For our freshmen not sure of current rankings but #1 in position PG, #2 in position OG, I think #13 F for the overseas guy no clue but he did enter the NBA draft the year before before withdrawing.

Correct. Knox, Brazile, Richmond and DJ- All four could have entered Portal and gotten paid and starter minutes. Cal did a nice job this offseason but it doesn't fit the narrative.

We return

90 minutes per game

32 pts per game

14.4 rebounds per game

7 Assists per game

2 Blocks per game

3 steals per game

Brought in two nice bigs and three very nice Frosh.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

Yep - location doesn't scream "eat here"

The line of ppl waiting to get in is always a little daunting

The spreads and dips they have are worth buying separately

Everyone needs to try Dads Favorites

I've eaten at the Brown and Wagners by Churchill[everyone should eat there at least once, breakfast is phenomenal and you get a good history of the Derby on the Walls]

 

[DelkBowl]

Some players can never be developed enough to make it big. DJ can’t shoot.

 

[CastleRubric]

Correct. Knox, Brazile, Richmond and DJ- All four could have entered Portal and gotten paid and starter minutes. Cal did a nice job this offseason but it doesn't fit the narrative.

We return

90 minutes per game

32 pts per game

14.4 rebounds per game

7 Assists per game

2 Blocks per game

3 steals per game

Brought in two nice bigs and three very nice Frosh.

Wish yall luck, muchacho

REALLY hope its UK/ARK & "everyone else" -- kinda 90s style again

I like a competitive SEC in basketball but some of the football schools just need to SIMMAH DOWN NAH

I think we play In football too?
Yall are DEAD 56-3 Cats!!!

 

[Skyguyb27]

Correct. Knox, Brazile, Richmond and DJ- All four could have entered Portal and gotten paid and starter minutes. Cal did a nice job this offseason but it doesn't fit the narrative.

We return

90 minutes per game

32 pts per game

14.4 rebounds per game

7 Assists per game

2 Blocks per game

3 steals per game

Brought in two nice bigs and three very nice Frosh.

It will be fun watching your narrative implode.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

Wish yall luck, muchacho

REALLY hope its UK/ARK & "everyone else" -- kinda 90s style again

I like a competitive SEC in basketball but some of the football schools just need to SIMMAH DOWN NAH

I think we play In football too?
Yall are DEAD 56-3 Cats!!!

Last UK vs. Arkansas football i attended was the Lorenzen vs. Matt Jones at Commonwealth. By the 7th overtime both sets of fans just wanted it to end.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

It will be fun watching your narrative implode.

Neato

 

[CastleRubric]

Last UK vs. Arkansas football i attended was the Lorenzen vs. Matt Jones at Commonwealth. By the 7th overtime both sets of fans just wanted it to end.

I got to see Lorenzen twice in person** and loved the experience -

** home loss to UGA & home win over Miss St

You remember Arkansas and Kentucky being the only two (multiple overtime) victors over National Champions LSU?

I was at that win over LSU and it was insane
Watched the Hogs get them that year too

 

[HamuelLJackson]

I got to see Lorenzen twice in person** and loved the experience -

** home loss to UGA & home win over Miss St

You remember Arkansas and Kentucky being the only two (multiple overtime) victors over National Champions LSU?

I was at that win over LSU and it was insane
Watched the Hogs get them that year too

McFadden years?

 

[Tprinceuk]

To the Arkansas fans in this thread, I'm not hating but what from your season last year gives you so much hope for next year.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

To the Arkansas fans in this thread, I'm not hating but what from your season last year gives you so much hope for next year.

Sweet 16, Big win at RUPP, Michigan on a neutral site, Solid Core coming back with good portal and HS recruiting. Kansas and St. Johns in tourney as a low seed and should've beaten Tech.

Other than that, just a gut.

Not predicting a Championship but definitely could go on a nice run. 40-0 prob out of the question.

 

[CastleRubric]

McFadden years?

Yessir
RUN DMC
Rich Brooks coaching Kentucky

Wesley Woodyard was a big defensive guy for UK then but the offense was tough too

Funtimea

First time i was picked up thrown down jerked up and kissed all in like ten seconds - and three different ppl were involved

When UK stopped LSU in the hole on 4th down there was a split second uncertainty because I think we all wondered where the flag was

Then it was bedlam --

Like Mardi Gras car wrecked into a Pentecostal tent revival -- just as nature intended it to be

 

[Anon1713320623]

why are Arkansas fans here? Go to your own board lmao

 

[HamuelLJackson]

Yessir
RUN DMC
Rich Brooks coaching Kentucky

Wesley Woodyard was a big defensive guy for UK then but the offense was tough too

Funtimea

First time i was picked up thrown down jerked up and kissed all in like ten seconds - and three different ppl were involved

When UK stopped LSU in the hole on 4th down there was a split second uncertainty because I think we all wondered where the flag was

Then it was bedlam --

Like Mardi Gras car wrecked into a Pentecostal tent revival -- just as nature intended it to be

Loved Woodyard.
DMAC is my favorite Hog football player of all time. People forget we had Felix Jones and Peyton Hillis as well. Hillis was on life support for awhile for saving a kid in the Ocean. Great guy.

 

[FLBBNFAN]

why are Arkansas fans here? Go to your own board lmao

I agree. Gosh , how pathetic is your program that you have to come in here because nobody is on your board. Yeah first class BB program lol.

 

[Digger-Cat]

And even worse, he hired an X’s and O’s guy his last season at UK (can’t remember his name), but wouldn’t listen to him, so when he left for Arkansas, dude went somewhere else.

Cal wanted Brad on his staff anyway, so it all worked out.

Earned Not Given!!!

John Welsh.
He replaced John… with Brad Calipari. Yikes

 

[BBNinSC_rivals62411]

Correct. Knox, Brazile, Richmond and DJ- All four could have entered Portal and gotten paid and starter minutes. Cal did a nice job this offseason but it doesn't fit the narrative.

We return

90 minutes per game

32 pts per game

14.4 rebounds per game

7 Assists per game

2 Blocks per game

3 steals per game

Brought in two nice bigs and three very nice Frosh.

Good luck. My point is that Fland, Theiro, Ivisic, and probably Knox are gone from a 14 loss team.
A couple of Freshmen do not replace those guys.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

Good luck. My point is that Fland, Theiro, Ivisic, and probably Knox are gone from a 14 loss team.
A couple of Freshmen do not replace those guys.

Thanks for the feedback!!!!

 

[bucsrule8872]

What's interesting is if you really believe he didn't have other options. He could've gotten a bag to go almost anywhere and be the man. There's not much question about that depending on what colored glasses you are looking through.

I doubt anyone would give him a bigger bag than his “granddaddy” Cal.

But he is loyal and Cal is loyal to him. They are family.

I don’t think anyone values him more than Cal and no one is going to pay him more than Cal will.

So if staying with the coach that values you the most is selfless, then he is selfless for sure.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

I doubt anyone would give him a bigger bag than his “granddaddy” Cal.

But he is loyal and Cal is loyal to him. They are family.

I don’t think anyone values him more than Cal and no one is going to pay him more than Cal will.

So if staying with the coach that values you the most is selfless, then he is selfless for sure.

His play all year was selfless. Pretty sure he came thinking he'd be the 2 all year and stepped right back into the PG role when Boogie went down. And the offense got better.

I'll agree with Cal is over loyal to players but there's zero question he's changed if even just a little this year on his philosophy and several have bought in.

Good luck this year.

 

[bucsrule8872]

I believe Billy and Knox show that Cal has changed….at least a bit. They would have gone, even if it wasn’t in their best interest, if it was the Kentucky era Cal. At Arkansas now, they stayed. It was in their best interest. They can make good money and continue to mature. Also, I doubt Cal will win another NC. The stars and planets had to line up with the 2012 roster to get it done. They lined up again in 2015 and Cal got in his own way and he blew it….and I’m a huge UK and Cal fan. I don’t believe Arky has the brand to get that kind of roster (elite freshmen) and now things have changed anyway. The roster needs to be pieced together in a very calculated fashion. More like a baseball roster. That’s not Cal’s forte. He’s better when raw talent and athleticism overrides other variables.

It’s not Cal that has changed, it’s college basketball. With NIL you can stay in college and make more money than you could going to the G-League.

Cal keeping guys around is nothing new.

We don’t win a title 2012 without Jones and Lamb coming back.

The Harrison twins and WCS came back in 2015.

Poythress graduated from UK.

Briscoe stayed for his Sophomore year.

Richards was a Junior.

Quickley stayed for his Sophomore year.

So he hasn’t changed, the circumstances have changed to where it’s much easier for kids to stay in school because they can make a lot more money now staying in school.

 

[bucsrule8872]

His play all year was selfless. Pretty sure he came thinking he'd be the 2 all year and stepped right back into the PG role when Boogie went down. And the offense got better.

I'll agree with Cal is over loyal to players but there's zero question he's changed if even just a little this year on his philosophy and several have bought in.

Good luck this year.

LOL!

I’m sure Cal is a brand new man.

Keep drinking the red kool aid.

I had my fill of the blue that he was feeding us.

 

[HamuelLJackson]

LOL!

I’m sure Cal is a brand new man.

Keep drinking the red kool aid.

I had my fill of the blue that he was feeding us.

Neato.

 

[Anon1713320623]

Neato.

take your stupid *** to an arkansas board lol, no one wants you here

 

[HamuelLJackson]

take your stupid *** to an arkansas board lol, no one wants you here

Thanks for the feedback!!!!