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Things could fall into place that by that fateful Sunday morning, Bama is the last team in, and if we do win the tourney, we replace them (and fall into a godawful seed)
We win the SEC Tournament. We get a 13 seed like Georgia when they won the SEC Tournament. We draw BYU as a 4 seed since they suck now that they suspended that guy. We win that game, and thenStansbury is deemed a genius by many who will say he got the guys motivated when it counted. Then all will be forgiven and the misfortunes of thisseason will be forgotten.
Not sure who plays who yet... It may be a mid-major or Big East team that get's bumped...
<div class="mod-sub-header"><h5>Last Four In</h5></div><div class="col-full"><ul class="links">[*]Richmond[*]Boston College[*]Michigan[*]Clemson[/list]
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<div class="mod-sub-header"><h5>Last Four In</h5></div><div class="col-full"><ul class="links">[*]Richmond[*]Boston College[*]Michigan[*]Clemson[/list]
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This team, after all it has done to sabotage this season, does not need an SEC Championship and an NCAA bid. This team, along with the coaching staff,needs a kick in the face. We've had 3 guys suspended and 2 guys have transferred. Besides Riley Benock, Kodi Augustus has been the most well behaved starter on the team.That should tell you something.
We can keep getting to the title game in seasons we don't deserve to, but that will never fix the problem we currently have. And that is we don't have a coach or a staff that knows how to stand up to these kids and tell them how things are going to be run. Making a run in the tournament after going possibly 8-8 or 9-7 in conference play is great and all, but it doesn't prove we have a great program. It just proves the players are running the asylum because they are allowed to turn it on and off whenever they want to. And that is a problem.
We can keep getting to the title game in seasons we don't deserve to, but that will never fix the problem we currently have. And that is we don't have a coach or a staff that knows how to stand up to these kids and tell them how things are going to be run. Making a run in the tournament after going possibly 8-8 or 9-7 in conference play is great and all, but it doesn't prove we have a great program. It just proves the players are running the asylum because they are allowed to turn it on and off whenever they want to. And that is a problem.
I'd rather not rest my hopes on making the tournament based on one weekend and a miracle run.
By the way this team has only won 3 games in a row twice this year, 3 times if we win the next game.
By the way this team has only won 3 games in a row twice this year, 3 times if we win the next game.
Hanmudog said:
I would love to see the implosion if the impossible happened. We win the SEC tourney and make it to the Sweet 16. I know there is no way in hell it would happen but it would be fun to watch the howler monkeys around here.
You and fans like you have lost all perspective. In no situation would it ever be "horrible" for us to win the SEC tourney and get a bid. Pull your head out of your ***.
Let's say this dumpster fire of a team makes it to the finals, loses, goes to the NIT, and loses in the 2nd or 3rd round. Will that make Stansbury change, and if so, what will he change? Let's say we win the whole tournament and make it to the NCAA tournament. Will that make Stansbury change, and if so, what will he change? The point is that right now, winning will not fix the problem at MSU, it will only make it worse. We have talent that isn't well disciplined or well coached.You think after all that has happened this year these kids will look at the staff any different if we win? All it does is show them what they can get away with and still be successful. That isn't how you run a program. </p>
Winning doesn't bring about change that is needed, losing does. Do I want us to tank? No. But winning the SEC Tournament does not fix the coaching problem and the attitude problemthis team has. I don't want Stasnbury fired. He deserves at least another year with a different staff and his recruits. Many on this board already agree we have a below average basketball staff. We need a new staff, and making a run in the tournament and getting to the NCAA doesn't further that agenda. </p>
and not THAT surprising, would be if Renardo finally started playing D, Ravern and Bost got hot from 3, and we won the SEC tournament and then somehow rode the momentum to a sweet 16. Now, how would coach34 grade that? It makes me laugh just thinking about it.
We went to the SEC finals both of the last 2 years, winning it 2 years ago,and things since that point have gotten worse. That tells me that the current problem we have can't be fixedsimply bywinning. We've won a lot of games the past 2 years, yet 3 guys were suspended this year and 2 transferred. Winning the tournament should clear that right up is what you're saying. </p>
Dont' get me wrong. Getting the the NCAA Tournament is a great achievement, and I love getting there. I been and watched us play, and it's very fun to be a part of. But if it weren't for the conference tournament, no one would even be making an arguement for this team, including most of you bashing my pointright now.
Many people think the SEC tournament is some saving grace for thecrap season we've put together, and we all put our eggs in that basket. The SEC Tournamentisan out for a team like ours that has talent that isn't coached properly. Every year this happens to us. We don't earn it during the season, we have to earn it in some conference tournament that isn't even a great judge of who the best team in the conference is.That's ridiculous. </p>
Many people think the SEC tournament is some saving grace for thecrap season we've put together, and we all put our eggs in that basket. The SEC Tournamentisan out for a team like ours that has talent that isn't coached properly. Every year this happens to us. We don't earn it during the season, we have to earn it in some conference tournament that isn't even a great judge of who the best team in the conference is.That's ridiculous. </p>
but if you present me with two options - winning or losing the SEC Tournament. I choose winning it regardless of what our situation is.
What happened with Georgia after they weren't supposed to win the tournament? They got in the same way we are talking about, lost in the 1st round of the NCAA Tournament, then the next year they fired their coach.Winning the conference tournament doesn't always helpa team that has personnel and coaching issues. Now look where Georgia is.They made their change and they are benefitting from it.Who's program has better upside for the future? I would say it's a lot closer than many people think. Winning isn't always a cure all. Sometimes it hides a real problem, and for me personally, I think this team has a problem that winning won't cure.
Do you think Croom winning the Egg Bowl his last year would have made our situation at MSU better or worse? We would have been 5-7, still not going to a bowl. We wouldn't have Dan Mullen, and we would still have most of the staff which in the 5 years Croom was here had one winning season. I think it's ridiculous to say that winning always cures every problem.
We had a problem at this university in football. We won 7 games, won a bowl game, then came back and won 4 games the next yearand fired Croom. Doesn't sound like winning fired our team up anymore or made our staff do a better job. A lot of people on here said Croom's bowlyear covered up the fact we still have problems on the team. Well how is the situation any different with Stans? We've had numerous transfers, numerous suspensions, a lot of winning seasons, and the problem hasn't gone away.
We had a problem at this university in football. We won 7 games, won a bowl game, then came back and won 4 games the next yearand fired Croom. Doesn't sound like winning fired our team up anymore or made our staff do a better job. A lot of people on here said Croom's bowlyear covered up the fact we still have problems on the team. Well how is the situation any different with Stans? We've had numerous transfers, numerous suspensions, a lot of winning seasons, and the problem hasn't gone away.
I'm not fan of Stans, but I damn sure want us to win the SEC Tournament. I was always under the assumption that winning cures all. Apparently that is false.futaba said:
The answer is no.
No one in this thread has said winning cures anything. You are making that up to try and back away from one of the dumbest things we've ever seen posted. We just want to win the games that are played. Nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes it's easier to enjoy things when you don't play out a bunch of what could happen in the future scenarios. Just watch it and cheer for MSU.
No one in this thread has said winning cures anything. You are making that up to try and back away from one of the dumbest things we've ever seen posted. We just want to win the games that are played. Nothing more, nothing less. Sometimes it's easier to enjoy things when you don't play out a bunch of what could happen in the future scenarios. Just watch it and cheer for MSU.
I wanted to go into it thinking we had something to build for in the future. After we came out of that game and Croom was fired the next day, I realized that maybe it wasn't a horrible thing to lose because we had an opportunity to change things within our football program. If we won every game we played there wouldn't be a problem. I never cheer against MSU, and I don't want MSU to do poorly. But right now there are problems and I want to see them fixed. I just happen to believe that winning the SEC Tournament won't fix those problems.
But you said it would be horrible if we won the SEC tournament. But this post says you always cheer for MSU.mstatefan88 said:
So, you're either cheering for a loss or cheering for horrible things in MSU's future. You're caught in a pessimistic web of terrible posting.
I personally don't think it will change some of the players attitudes, and that winning the tournament will just make their heads even bigger and possibly make the current problem worse. But I will always cheer for MSU to win in hopes that our program will improve from it. I hopethe team proves me wrong. I hope they go win andthat the attitudes change in the program. I always hope that. Sometimes I look to far ahead and think about too many scenarios and don't just let things unfold. That's how these kind of things happen.
I may have said earlier I don't, but I didn't mean it that way. I said I didn't want to win because I thought we wouldn't change as a program even if we did win. If Sidney comes back with an even bigger ego, it could cause even more problems than we've had this season. I don't want that to happen.
I guess the way I put it wasn't the best way to do it. I'm not cheering for us to lose. I would love to rephrase what I meant early, but I'm already an NCAA Tournament hater, so I don't think I can do that. Iwant us to win the tournament, and I have from the beginning, but I just don'tthink it will change anything.I think we will still have problems going into next year.I'm not rooting for us to lose. I just don't think winning will change the culture of this team.
I guess the way I put it wasn't the best way to do it. I'm not cheering for us to lose. I would love to rephrase what I meant early, but I'm already an NCAA Tournament hater, so I don't think I can do that. Iwant us to win the tournament, and I have from the beginning, but I just don'tthink it will change anything.I think we will still have problems going into next year.I'm not rooting for us to lose. I just don't think winning will change the culture of this team.
He's a cancer on the team, but he's a talented cancer.This iswhere myconcern comes into play.IfBost goes to the draft and Sid comes back, he is our onlyreturning starter.I'm just afraidofhow the team would be runwith Sid's ego if he were to be the only returning starter from a team that ended up winning the tournament and got to the NCAA Tournament. That concerns me.
I suppose I shouldn't be worried about it, but when I think about stuff like this, I can't help but look down the road to see how something like this might play out. I guess I'm just over concerned about this whole situation. Like I said, I hope we do well and I hope theteamcan benefit from as much game experience as they can get.
I suppose I shouldn't be worried about it, but when I think about stuff like this, I can't help but look down the road to see how something like this might play out. I guess I'm just over concerned about this whole situation. Like I said, I hope we do well and I hope theteamcan benefit from as much game experience as they can get.