- $5,000 per player cost of attendance stipend
- Four year guaranteed scholarships
- Travel allowances for player's parents
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...d-votes-allow-autonomy-five-power-conferences
Breaking News: NCAA - "Power 5 can make their own rules"
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If I was in the 75 schools that aren't in the power conference, I would call the bluff and tell the power 5 to break off. What do they have to lose?
I'm interested in the guaranteed scholarships part...
If a school guarantees a scholarship to a player for four years, will that count against the scholarship limits for the 4 years even if the player is dismissed from the team or quits? Or will it only bind the school financially to the player?
If a school guarantees a scholarship to a player for four years, will that count against the scholarship limits for the 4 years even if the player is dismissed from the team or quits? Or will it only bind the school financially to the player?
There is likely to be a few things to work out there. See this article from the Big Ten offering 4 year scholarships in 2012:
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7528614/some-big-ten-offering-4-year-scholarships
The interesting bits:
"We went and made them four-year scholarships and we'll see where that all goes with the NCAA and some addendums with how you'd lose a scholarship," Michigan coach Brady Hoke said. "Obviously you quit football, you're not going to be on scholarship."
Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith told The Plain Dealer that players could still lose their scholarships if they don't fulfill academic or off-the-field requirements. But the multiyear scholarship prevents coaches from running off players if better talent has been recruited at their positions or who no longer fit the team's style of play.
"You had to kind of figure it out," Hoke said of the scholarships. "You didn't know what everybody else was going to do. I think some time, they are either going to go and make it two-year deals and not four. They were four a long time ago and you decided you didn't want to play anymore, you were still on scholarship. That's not fair to the school.
"I always thought the one-year renewables were fine because in my tenure as a head coach or being an assistant coach, I don't remember guys that their scholarship was taken because of athletic performance. It was something socially. It was something academically."
Being a fan of a power conference team, I feel like I should be happy about this, but I'm not. There's a lot about this that just doesn't seem right.
That said, it's not like the NCAA had much choice, and it will now be interesting to see what the NCAA does whenever the Power 5 make a new rule. It seems like they'll follow suit more times than not.
That said, it's not like the NCAA had much choice, and it will now be interesting to see what the NCAA does whenever the Power 5 make a new rule. It seems like they'll follow suit more times than not.
I would hope so. The NCAA does such a crappy job of enforcement.
The power 5 should introduce new rules that are enforceable, then enforce them. Rocket science, right?
other conferences can opt in.........
to the big 5 model if they want. I don't think the borderline schools want to see that door closed which might happen if the big 5 schools leave the NCAA. And as patdog noted, the tournaments would be in jeopardy.
I really hope the some more schools can join the big boy club.
to the big 5 model if they want. I don't think the borderline schools want to see that door closed which might happen if the big 5 schools leave the NCAA. And as patdog noted, the tournaments would be in jeopardy.
I really hope the some more schools can join the big boy club.
I'm a bit confused about what happens if the Big 5 does break away.... If that happens, does the NCAA still exist, but only with the WAC, Sun Belt, CUSA, MAC, etc.? How would that work in terms of the bowl games? Would the bigger bowls only invite the Big 5 teams, and the smaller bowls invite the remaining NCAA teams? Or would the bowls match schools up from both divisions? Would there be 2 basketball tournaments, one for the big 5 and one for the NCAA?
All I can say is this is all very screwy and reeks of greed and the want for more money. How much money is enough before the game becomes tarnished with TV contracts and pay for play?
All I can say is this is all very screwy and reeks of greed and the want for more money. How much money is enough before the game becomes tarnished with TV contracts and pay for play?
The the five conferences break away, it will work like the NCAA and NAIA right now. Organizations will be completely separate and will only interact to the extent both organizations pass rules allowing it. Who knows how it would end up, but I would guess the bowl games would call the shots on who they invited. For basketball, I would bet they would attempt to have one basketball tournament just because it's so popular with the current format and that's an area where the big schools need the small schools, but there's no guarantee they'll be able to work it out.
This is the first domino. Jackie Wayne said in the mid 2000's that 64ish bigger schools would break off from the NCAA. He foresaw it being four conferences of 16 to make 64, but whatever.
Bottom line is, these power conferences will either form their own organization or will be a separate division of the NCAA in the next two decades. Don't think I like it.
Bottom line is, these power conferences will either form their own organization or will be a separate division of the NCAA in the next two decades. Don't think I like it.
For now,
we are. Hopefully that won't change. Our biggest thing going for us is that we are in the SEC. Imagine if we got left out...might as well be USM, at that point.
we are. Hopefully that won't change. Our biggest thing going for us is that we are in the SEC. Imagine if we got left out...might as well be USM, at that point.
The bowl games have always been separate to some degree haven't they? My guess is we would take over the meaningful bowls and then allow teams to fill the lower bowls and play against non-Big-5 competition. Or maybe even... a real playoff?? But I think you are COMPLETELY wrong on basketball. The NCAA owns the existing tournament and makes most of the money, if the Big 5 breaks away the NCAA tournament dies. We would have our own tournament with all teams coming from the Big 5 and rake in some basketball money like never before.
Makes me a little sad living in Memphis because it would completely kill teams like the University of Memphis who live off the NCAA tournament. They couldn't compete with the Big 5 and the revenue would dry up. If we are going to do it I would really prefer to go ahead and move to 16 team super conferences. And ideally the Big 12 would die. I don't like this lash-up where Texas can drag a bunch of stiffs into their conference and they automatically rack up. Get the 64 locked down and lets move forward into this crazy *** new world.
We're gonna need every penny of that SEC Network money.
The arms race just jumped up a notch. We were just starting to somewhat even the playing field with the truly big money schools, but I foresee this being the wild west with regard to spending and recruiting.
The arms race just jumped up a notch. We were just starting to somewhat even the playing field with the truly big money schools, but I foresee this being the wild west with regard to spending and recruiting.
Think about this...
Big five conference schools raid other division for transfer with the promise of a better scholarship... Say a really player develops at Memphis...we or Ole Miss come in and raid. Ucf, Houston, Boise State, etc could all be targeted. Could be plus for us in a few years.
Big five conference schools raid other division for transfer with the promise of a better scholarship... Say a really player develops at Memphis...we or Ole Miss come in and raid. Ucf, Houston, Boise State, etc could all be targeted. Could be plus for us in a few years.
I don't necessarily see it that way. It's a set number, right? 85 players times $5,000 = $425,000/year. Sure it will cost us more, but I doubt recruiting will get any wilder than it already is. My question is, who will get the money? Will walk-ons? Only Johnny Football types? Who decides that?
I personally think this stipend is crap......just don't regulate the cheating. Why is it against the rules to give someone a gift? Either way, that would be the real wild west, but it's more logical than selective enforcement.
Remember that all this money is being made on the backs of the fans. They think we are going to be here forever to fund this. Just like the housing market, the bubble will eventually burst.
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Any stipend/benefit given to a football player or his family will also have to be given to members of the girls cross country team and their families.
From a fan perspective, I look forward to the day. Coaches aren't worth more than $1million per year. There should be no reason to upgrade/expand a stadium 4 times in 12 years, unless the stadium started out as a couple of metal bleachers on either side of a field.
From an access perspective, I hope technology allows for games to continue to be televised, even if the bubble bursts and revenues aren't at unjustifiably high levels. I would gladly hand out $100 per season to watch MSU football games on TV. Same for basketball.