Brian Flores Suing Dolphins, Giants, NFL

ManxomeLion

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Yeah... seems like they landed on a heach coach before even giving a minority candidate an interview. That organization (the Giants) is a mess
 
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mrmk5110

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This is going to get real messy for the NFL. Not just the Giants hiring thing, but the bribery thing (which is very believable) could really blow up in the NFLs face.
 
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Midnighter

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Crazy how Bellickick is once again directly involved.



LOL @ BB….
 
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step.eng69

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Well, if the NFL has overlooked a few issues here,
at least we can feel our athletes best interests are with the NCAA.

🙄
 

psu31trap

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What are the consequences for the Giants at this point? A fine, draft pick or can the NFL force them to open up the interviewing process again?
 

razpsu

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If he didn’t interview yet why is he mad. Sounds like this was calculated by belicheck to get giants and dolphins in trouble. If the guy was any good he would be snatched up by other teams. He may have to pay his dues again at the coordinator level like O’Brien and kiffen and sarkisan.
 

PSUJam

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If he didn’t interview yet why is he mad. Sounds like this was calculated by belicheck to get giants and dolphins in trouble. If the guy was any good he would be snatched up by other teams. He may have to pay his dues again at the coordinator level like O’Brien and kiffen and sarkisan.
 

Lane

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The issues are really in two buckets, IMO (unless you want to paint the incentive to lose with a racial tint). Focusing on the "pay for losing" allegations, how is that terribly different from point shaving scams of the past? With the NFL deep in bed with legalized sports gambling, this could be very explosive. You have the whole "integrity of the game" and valid points about the players/coaches lower on the totem pole who are essentially trying out each week for the continuation of their careers. Those efforts are cut off at the knees when an owner is behind the scenes orchestrating losses. But think of the broader gambling implications. If I were Ross and the NFL, I'd be really worried about the government sticking their nose into this business. Do their gambling partners want to be potentially blindsided by a small circle of people who might have intel on strategies to throw games and the unexpected bets that might come in?

Ross (like most owners I expect) comes across as a real entitled dirtbag and if the league had any integrity he'd be forced to sell should all this be true. The complexities of the league wanting to investigate something that is wrapped up in a suit where they are the defendents is another issue. Like the WFT stuff I expect them to circle the proverbial wagons (not just in Buffalo) and protect their own.
 

Lane

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It's important to note that this is a class action suit and it's likely that many more coaches and front office people will join. It's not going away quickly.
I believe that's the goal, but it's not to that point yet.
 

PSUJam

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The issues are really in two buckets, IMO (unless you want to paint the incentive to lose with a racial tint). Focusing on the "pay for losing" allegations, how is that terribly different from point shaving scams of the past? With the NFL deep in bed with legalized sports gambling, this could be very explosive. You have the whole "integrity of the game" and valid points about the players/coaches lower on the totem pole who are essentially trying out each week for the continuation of their careers. Those efforts are cut off at the knees when an owner is behind the scenes orchestrating losses. But think of the broader gambling implications. If I were Ross and the NFL, I'd be really worried about the government sticking their nose into this business. Do their gambling partners want to be potentially blindsided by a small circle of people who might have intel on strategies to throw games and the unexpected bets that might come in?

Ross (like most owners I expect) comes across as a real entitled dirtbag and if the league had any integrity he'd be forced to sell should all this be true. The complexities of the league wanting to investigate something that is wrapped up in a suit where they are the defendents is another issue. Like the WFT stuff I expect them to circle the proverbial wagons (not just in Buffalo) and protect their own.
Agree, there probably should have been a separate lawsuit for the pay for losing part. That's getting buried in the story right now.
 

Midnighter

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If he didn’t interview yet why is he mad. Sounds like this was calculated by belicheck to get giants and dolphins in trouble. If the guy was any good he would be snatched up by other teams. He may have to pay his dues again at the coordinator level like O’Brien and kiffen and sarkisan.

I think his read on BB's text was the Giants/Dolphins were high on Daboll and likely to try to hire him regardless of what happened with the other interviews (that their minds were already made up). I think Belichek is the kind of coach with access who would know, which is why his text was interpreted to mean anything other than the job(s) are Daboll's to lose.
 

Lane

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Agree, there probably should have been a separate lawsuit for the pay for losing part. That's getting buried in the story right now.
It's not farfetched to see this evolving into laswuits by Dolphins season ticket holders asking for money back. If there's evidence that the owner had incentivized the coach to lose games, some lawyers could argue that the ticket buying public was shortchanged. If nothing else, some eager beaver law firms would consider the effort and the potential payoff just because the Dolphins/Ross don't want to go through the hassle and embarrassment of discovery. Ants will be swarming to the sugar that is spilling.
 

razpsu

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I think his read on BB's text was the Giants/Dolphins were high on Daboll and likely to try to hire him regardless of what happened with the other interviews (that their minds were already made up). I think Belichek is the kind of coach with access who would know, which is why his text was interpreted to mean anything other than the job(s) are Daboll's to lose.
That is also the point. If they know what kind of coach they want why interview others. Heck I had an interview that was canceled with the ceo because he said he found his person already. I said well how do you know that until you meet with me. He said he is good. That was it.
 
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That is also the point. If they know what kind of coach they want why interview others. Heck I had an interview that was canceled with the ceo because he said he found his person already. I said well how do you know that until you meet with me. He said he is good. That was it.

Pretty sure the NFL has rules concerning the interview/hiring process. Otherwise - you’re right.
 

TheBigUglies

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If he didn’t interview yet why is he mad. Sounds like this was calculated by belicheck to get giants and dolphins in trouble. If the guy was any good he would be snatched up by other teams. He may have to pay his dues again at the coordinator level like O’Brien and kiffen and sarkisan.
Doesn't Belicheck have some bad blood with the Giants org or was that just with Parcells?
 

TheBigUglies

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I believe that's the goal, but it's not to that point yet.
NFL Owners are an old boys network that needs to get into this century. I am thinking this lawsuit is necessary to make that happen. I don't care either way but I am sure there is a lot of stuff that goes on that we don't hear about unless someone wants us to(like the Gruden thing this past season).
 

PSUHarry

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If he didn’t interview yet why is he mad. Sounds like this was calculated by belicheck to get giants and dolphins in trouble. If the guy was any good he would be snatched up by other teams. He may have to pay his dues again at the coordinator level like O’Brien and kiffen and sarkisan.
He's done in the NFL. He will be blackballed. You think the Saints or Texans would hire him now? May have to go to the college ranks at this point to get employment.

Even if he wins the lawsuit he's done. He's all in, no going back to the NFL, and he did this knowing all that.
 

lions1995

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What are the consequences for the Giants at this point? A fine, draft pick or can the NFL force them to open up the interviewing process again?
And what, tell them they can't interview or hire the guy they originally hired. I am sure he will sue as well. You can't force someone to hire someone. The Giants mistake was not making it through all their interviews before hiring someone.
 

BobPSU92

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How do you prove that a hiring process is racially motivated? In the social media world, it’s simply that a minority wasn’t hired. That isn’t enough in the legal world. Let’s see if there is an e-mail trail within any of these organizations showing racial bias in the evaluation of candidates.