Brian Flores Suing Dolphins, Giants, NFL
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I haven't really delved into the details yet, just scraping some cream off the top to get things started, because F the browns.
I don’t want to what. I posted a statement by the nfl and broncos. What has that got to do with me. I have no opinion on the matter.
maybe not, since it appears that the Giants already knew who they were hiring
hell, everybody knew who they were hiring from the day the new GM was hired- and that is the big problem (one of them anyway) with the Rooney rule- if you hire a new GM who doesn't know who he wants as his HC you are hiring the wrong guy
ross has spoken.
www.espn.com
There you have it.
Dolphins owner Ross: Allegations by Flores 'false'
In a statement late Wednesday night, Stephen Ross called Brian Flores' allegations "false, malicious and defamatory" and promised to defend his "personal integrity" as well as that of the Dolphins organization.
www.espn.com
There you have it.
This is from the NFL's website. It's from their communications department but I doubt the "official" policy looks different.
NFL EXPANDS ROONEY RULE REQUIREMENTS TO STRENGTHEN DIVERSITY
nflcommunications.com
As an aside, because it's an internal policy and does not run afoul of federal laws I wonder if it's legally relevant to a discrimination lawsuit. The NFL punishes teams if need be, but that's an internal business decision, not because any federal laws are broken.
I believe it is two minorities that have to be interviewed. Everyone has someone in mind or a leader in the clubhouse that they want to hire so it appears giants did things right by interviewing at least 5 people.
I found an excellent resource for NFL hires since 2003 (when the Rooney Rule was implemented). A quick look says there have been roughly 130 head coaching hires in that time. Am interested to see how many minority hires there were as well as how many repeat hires there were (OTTOMH, only Dungy, Edwards, Shell, and Rivera have been minority repeat hires - and Shell was interim).
I'm wondering if the lawsuit even has legal merit because the Rooney rule is an internal rule. Is Flores even alleging any laws were broken? Any lawyers versed in labor law?
Setting aside the merits of the case, I find myself believing Flores and not believing the owner of the Dolphins
Not true - though it will be difficult to prove, the first cause of action states that the NFL violated Section 1981 of the Civil Rights Act.
In 2020, the Supreme Court ruled that the standard is the “but-for” test: “But for the existence of X, would Y have occurred?” Flores would have the burden to prove that race was the “but-for” factor.
The other cause of action alleges a series of violations of human rights laws that subjected Flores—and other class members—to disparate terms and conditions of employment relative to their white peers. Again, Flores will need to show that teams engaged in discrimination (here the phrase is “acted with discriminatory motivation”) and find the smoking gun(s).
NFL lawyers are very good at avoiding discovery and just very good period. My guess is there will be more 'rules' and transparency put in place around minority candidate interviews and Flores will get a few things from his wish list, which includes:
Funding a committee dedicated to sourcing Black investors to take majority NFL ownership stakes.
Allowing select Black players and coaches to participate in the interviewing process for coaching and general manager positions.
Requiring teams to reduce to writing the rationale for hiring and termination decisions, including a full explanation of the basis for any subjective influences.
Creating and funding a training program for Black lower-level coaches who demonstrate an aptitude and interest in advancing to a coordinator position.
Pay transparency for all general managers, head coaches and coordinators.
That is smoke only. They interviewed two minority candidates and found there guy before other interviews. How many other candidates did they say no thanks to by the way not like that matters but what if they did. Were there any more that they said no to as well that were white? they did satisfy the league rule as a guideline of staying in the normal ops of the league
Here is what the Giants will likely argue. Daboll interviewed and the Giants really liked him. So, they called Belichick in due diligence as you would check a reference. Belichick relayed that it looked good to Daboll, but no decision had yet been made by the Giants.
Flores was then to interview several days later.
Now, generally in the world I live in, references are not to be contacted until all interviews have taken place and only the references for the successful candidate are contacted before being offered the position.
So, the Giants just did it differently and this may be how they actually conduct interviews as the NFL isn't my world.
So, when Flores interviewed, no decision had yet been made.
The Giants may well have to show how they scored each candidate if the suit makes it that far.
I think Flores has an uphill battle as he has prove there was discrimination.
Miami is a different animal.
Saw this and thought that Flores is trying to go scorched earth here. The only thing he may have scorched was his career. He may have to turn to the college ranks if he wants a HC job in the future.
It seems his attorneys are of the Mickey Mouse variety. My cousin Vinny could have presented the lawsuit in a more professional manner.
Yeah - saying John Elway showed up drunk is not smart. Incredibly difficult to prove and looks petty. I feel for Flores and believe he has a case but this isn’t they best way to go about it.
Okay, I have to think that if he's making these stories up now then he would have been outed as a charlatan years ago. The guy's been a decent coach, a man to take seriously. He's not a buffoon like Lane Kiffin. I'll wait and see what comes out of this.
Jim - that’s quite fair. I typed “maybe” with intention. When you resort to such tactics, it can damage your credibility and imply your claim lacks merit. It was not wise.
Yes, your first sentence kind of overwhelmed your caveat, in my reading. My bad.
His lawyers should have told him that. That's the exact reason he's paying them. That's why I gave the my cousin Vinny reference above.
Have you watched many commercials lately ,Well, 70% of the players in the NFL are black. But, 97% of the head coaches are white. For perspective, imagine waking up one day and 80% of the NHL head coaches are black. This assumes most NFL HCs have some NFL/college football experience, and as of 2019 all but two did. Bias?
That was my first thought when I heard Belichek was involved in this mess. What does he know about the Giants and their decision making? Last I checked he coached a different team.
Just sorting through NFL head coaching hires since 2003 (when Rooney Rule was implemented). Some numbers:
Total Number of HC Hires - 131
Total Number of HC's - 109
Total Number of Teams Hiring a HC - 31
Teams with the most HC hires - Raiders - 9, Browns - 8, 49ers - 7, Bills, Broncos, Jags - 6
Total Number of Minority Hires - 19
Total Number of Minority Re-Hires - 4
Total Number of Non-minority Re-Hires - 18
Total Number of Teams Who Hired Minority HCs - 8
Total Number of Teams Who Hired >1 Minority HC - 4
Total Number of HC Hires - 131
Total Number of HC's - 109
Total Number of Teams Hiring a HC - 31
Teams with the most HC hires - Raiders - 9, Browns - 8, 49ers - 7, Bills, Broncos, Jags - 6
Total Number of Minority Hires - 19
Total Number of Minority Re-Hires - 4
Total Number of Non-minority Re-Hires - 18
Total Number of Teams Who Hired Minority HCs - 8
Total Number of Teams Who Hired >1 Minority HC - 4
how was the hire of ron Rivera classified?
how was the hire of Marc Trestmen classified?
What about Robert Saleh of the Jets. Muslim and first Arab American head coach?