Briles wont be hired....
- Thread starter heidiho99
- Start date
The problem if you're UK is that the "maybe later" will be Texas or Texas AM, etc. We will not have a shot at Briles or Petrino if we are to wait until everything has totally blown over and he's shown he still has it at a WKU or Southern Miss. We are UK. We have to take calculated chances if we are ever to win big.
Here's the thing. They were never convicted nor was he in the room so he didn't have the advantage of knowing what the full was. Auburn canned one of their top running backs because a girl claimed (to the coaching staff) abuse and she just recently came out and said they just had a fight and she was just upset with him and it was a false report. But regardless, that kids life and future career has been derailed for the time being. It's unfortunate that you can't take every accusation at face value because the are awful crimes. But false accusations happen especially in high profile cases. So unless they go to the police and an active investigation is happening it's logical to side with they player that you see everyday and know vs someone that you've never seen before. Hindsight makes things much clearer but in the moment I'm sure it wasn't so clear. I'm sure the football players weren't terrible people all day every day and walked around talking about rape all day. Just like child molesters don't always look creepy and try to hand out candy at playgrounds.
Secondly, "he promoted rape" or "he allowed rape" is just wrong. Everyone always wants to shift blame. The players and the players alone are responsible. Did Briles set up the parties? Did he hand out molly? Were they teaching classes on coverup? No. He was confronted after the fact by a 3rd party. He probably went straight and asked the players and they of course said no. It's he said she said at that point until the police get involved or there are eye witnesses.
Now because it was more than just one case and became an issue within the team then Baylor had to release him as the head man. Just like in the military. commanders get relieved over things they have no control over due to their subordinates all the time and placed in a different command.
I also believe we shouldn't hire him at this time but he will and had every right to being hired in the next 3-4 years once the spotlight is off whatever University takes the chance.
True. But there are surely others without the baggage that we could hire. We just have a piss poor person doing the searching.
Excellent take, EB. Though we disagree on whether or not UK should take a shot at him right now, I totally respect this post.
I wouldn't be opposed to it and would support the hire and the team. I just think from a strictly PR standpoint no university wants to deal with it for at least a few years.
I highly doubt he promoted rape...
he just didn't give a flying fart about what was going down off the field...
I know it's not a popular thought, but coaches and staffs are not responsible for holding hands and spoon feeding people off the field.
He was responsible for winning on the field...and he did that...unfortunately it came at an unfathomable cost...
The ugly underbelly of major college sports is that you have young boys who have been catered to and rarely told no since a young age because of their ability.
Everybody wants to lay these big issues of violence, disobedience, etc at the feet of the college or pro institution when both are really just receiving a final product that has been years in making.
We see Ray Rice lay out his girl and are shocked. Don't try to tell me that is the first time he's f'ed up...I will bet the ranch there were signs that were over looked by youth coaches, high school teachers, etc earlier on in his life. Maybe nothing that egregious, but it all adds up.
These Baylor players that were essentially running wild and pillaging. You think that something came over them when they stepped on campus? That Briles some how activated or promoted something? No, they were hooligans long before they got to college, but they were hooligans with "talent".
If parents, or a community are not going to take responsibility for these kids early on in life, why should Briles? He is not getting paid to correct years of parents, other coaches, other adults in positions of leadership, and society failing.
If a parent or parents can't properly raise 1 kid, and a community can't handle a couple of elite talents off the field, how can Briles handle 53 of them?
he just didn't give a flying fart about what was going down off the field...
I know it's not a popular thought, but coaches and staffs are not responsible for holding hands and spoon feeding people off the field.
He was responsible for winning on the field...and he did that...unfortunately it came at an unfathomable cost...
The ugly underbelly of major college sports is that you have young boys who have been catered to and rarely told no since a young age because of their ability.
Everybody wants to lay these big issues of violence, disobedience, etc at the feet of the college or pro institution when both are really just receiving a final product that has been years in making.
We see Ray Rice lay out his girl and are shocked. Don't try to tell me that is the first time he's f'ed up...I will bet the ranch there were signs that were over looked by youth coaches, high school teachers, etc earlier on in his life. Maybe nothing that egregious, but it all adds up.
These Baylor players that were essentially running wild and pillaging. You think that something came over them when they stepped on campus? That Briles some how activated or promoted something? No, they were hooligans long before they got to college, but they were hooligans with "talent".
If parents, or a community are not going to take responsibility for these kids early on in life, why should Briles? He is not getting paid to correct years of parents, other coaches, other adults in positions of leadership, and society failing.
If a parent or parents can't properly raise 1 kid, and a community can't handle a couple of elite talents off the field, how can Briles handle 53 of them?
RAPE....not cheating on a football game....he allowed RAPE....he looked football,players in the eye everyday at practice that had committed a horrible crime....and did nothing...God will forgive him but it doesn't mean he should ever be a leader of men again
He's suppose to be a leader, a teacher....of men....maybe we all should just look,the other way when these guys screw up...police go home....it's not your job to enforce laws anymore...coaches..just win games...it doesn't matter if u bring in thugs who commit horrible crimes...wow...listen to yourself..."its not his job"...my daughter is being recruited right now and I want a coach who is an extension,of me....one guY will protect and serve her...not just care about games....Briles was protecting Briles....and u should be ashamed of yourself
Some of u on this site need to go read the report....Art Briles told more than 1 girl that she might have over reacted to what she thought was RAPE....told families he would "look into it"...not let's go to the police and report this ...let's investigate this....this is deplorable ....and that some of u would even consider bringing a guy like that on campus is amazing....but it's answers a lot of questions I have about American society...
Yeah, you need to walk away because you're getting too worked up and making out to be something it's not.
If UK ever wants to win big at this FB game, they are going to have go after a proven coach that they would normally have no shot at. Unless it's a guy who is far removed from his prime then it is going to have to be someone who has screwed up.
Again, if you are Ms. Morals, then accept being a perennial cellar dwelling or be offended someone finally having the sack to hire a Petrino/Briles/Tressel.
It's not also on the football coach who was the head of the football program?
Don't stop at Mitch. From what I can tell about Capiluto, you will have to remove him too, if you want Briles now.
I think Art Briles is a great football coach, he is capable of building a program up quickly. In doing so he took chances on kids other coaches weren't willing to take. He accepted a kid who was transferring for a sexual assault case, he knew it because the coach at the other school let him know in writing what type kid he was. If I am not mistaken that very kid was involved in the case that led to him being fired at Baylor.
Like I said, Briles is a great coach, his teams are fun to watch and he can build a program that is basically a train wreck. But if a kid is fast, can catch a ball, he doesn't care if he is a drug dealer, a rapist or thief, he can play for Art. Very few coaches are willing to take chances like that so he pretty much had his pick of fast guy who could catch, run fast and have questionable character. Like every other school, football players are admitting using a different set of rules. I am sure UK is pretty much the same as UGA, I would be surprised if more than 3-4 of our football signees could sniff getting admitting as a regular student with their GPA and test scores.
It isn't just a PR problem. It's a liability problem and most of you don't seem to understand that simple issue. It wouldn't matter how proactive Briles was, if he is a head coach again and one of his players is even accused of sexual assault the school is going to be sued til their head pops off. Like it or not, he now has a history. Fair or not, that history is going to follow him, permanently. Most business decisions have a risk/benefit ratio attached to them. In this case, winning more games, isn't worth the risk of hiring him. That said, I'm sure some desperate football school will hire him again one day and play craps with their reputation and money.
Grumpy, just a minor correction. I'm pretty sure Sam transferred out of Boise St after he beat his girlfriend. Yes, according to the Boise St coach, he fully informed Briles about what Sam had done. Then of course, Sam went to the next level of violent crimes against women, the rape of an 18 year old virgin. Briles will never shake the stigma.
Thx for the correction, either way its someone who shouldn't and wouldn't have been allowed at a religious based university if not for his ability to play a sport. Before all this came out I liked Briles too, I know he has never been to trial and not convicted of anything, but I also know when there is smoke something is burning and there was more than a little smoke to this, multiple people were fired over this and Baylor is paying out millions to keep it from going to court. People/businesses/schools don't do that unless they want to keep things quiet.
Briles will work again, Texas and A&M have good years it could be in the SEC, Auburn will take him if they think he can beat Bama and LSU might. Roberson wasn't kicked off the team for the girl incident, she may have been part of it, but there was quite a bit more than that, including telling professors to F off, AU took one dismissed from UGA for doing that very thing, fighting with teammates, a model student.
Yeah, because "doing it the right way" has worked out so well for us the last 60 years.
Eventually yes....but even the police had issue because of the "protect the football team" culture down there....understand...u are a dealing with multi million dollars machine (baylor football) there...no one wanted it damaged....so sacrifice a "trampy" girls who deserves to get RAPED.....there are posters on,here u should be ashamed of themselves for what they are suggesting....hiring Art @Briles
The young lady who was raped did. Here is a very interesting timeline. Petersons email towards the end is particularly damning.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2015/8/21/9185837/baylor-football-player-sam-ukwuachu
Alot of people posting here never went to college and could care less about anything but winning a ball game at any cost. lol
Fans, we don't have to "Sell our soul" to get a good coach. There are young head coaches out there who would come to UK, who are doing a good job at their present school. One name that comes to mind is Scott Satterfield of Applachian State. He's 42 years old. Check out his bio.
Of course we all know about Neal Brown. I'm sure there are a lot of other good young coaches who would love to coach at UK. Another name that comes to mind is Bryan Harsin of Boise State. I believe he was the OC at Boise when they were in their "Heyday", and was previously at Arkansas State, where he did a good job. I think he is around 37 or 38 years old.
Yes, UK can get a good coach, who is a head coach at one of the smaller conferences. Where do you think the Meyer's, Petrino's, etc. come from? Most coach at a smaller conference prior to going to HC at the Top 5. When a coach is in his mid to late 40's and he hasn't been a Head Coach, there is a reason, as were finding out, the HARD WAY!
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
Of course we all know about Neal Brown. I'm sure there are a lot of other good young coaches who would love to coach at UK. Another name that comes to mind is Bryan Harsin of Boise State. I believe he was the OC at Boise when they were in their "Heyday", and was previously at Arkansas State, where he did a good job. I think he is around 37 or 38 years old.
Yes, UK can get a good coach, who is a head coach at one of the smaller conferences. Where do you think the Meyer's, Petrino's, etc. come from? Most coach at a smaller conference prior to going to HC at the Top 5. When a coach is in his mid to late 40's and he hasn't been a Head Coach, there is a reason, as were finding out, the HARD WAY!
OLD STOLL FIELD GUY!
Briles won't be hired and there is a 1% chance that posters on this message board will have input into the hiring process, if Stoops is replaced. But, these debates are momentous.
Why in the hell did those families go to the Head Coach first and not the police? They shouldn't have been surprised by the outcome. More Head Coaches would do that than you think. They just won't so easily throw their players under the bus. They are protective of each other much like cops are protective of each other. It is like a family. Why would they go to the Head Coach? What the hell do they think he is going to do, suspend the accused for 1 quarter?
They went for HELP....the culture in Waco, that the athletic administration created was very ugly...even the police was slow to react....why do u think that was?
so art Briles controlled all of Waco: the ath dept, the school, the police dept. a virtual Stepford Tx. and STILL had enough time to coach a top 10 FB team. amazing.
jailed but never arrested or charged with anything. and didn't do enough to be fired for cause so the school had to write him a huge check. no wonder this country has more people in jail than any other.
Cal and Briles are not similar situations. What Briles did was a fact. Everyone knew the stuff about Cal was nonsense. And even if it were true, its not even close to the level of covering up rape.