Bring back Stans
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His final 2 years were very interesting alright. Not sure there was much coaching going on but it was interesting.
So I guess you're one of the ones that prefers hustle to winning? How have you enjoyed the last last two seasons out of curiosity?
Let me be clear that I would, in no way, shape, or form support a return of Stansbury, but the hyperbole that some of you guys use when saying things like that Stansbury's tenure was an "eternal dumpster fire" gets a little ridiculous at times
Let me be clear that I would, in no way, shape, or form support a return of Stansbury, but the hyperbole that some of you guys use when saying things like that Stansbury's tenure was an "eternal dumpster fire" gets a little ridiculous at times
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He would have asked to stay one more year and it be granted if he had any talent coming back. I agree he needed to go but his demise was a result of his lackluster recruiting effort his final few years and a public outcry of his ability to control a circus.
He left Ray with nothing and any athletic talent that was there bolted when they knew a new sheriff would be in town. Let's not act like Stands had the reigns of a functional program ripped out of his hands.
He left Ray with nothing and any athletic talent that was there bolted when they knew a new sheriff would be in town. Let's not act like Stands had the reigns of a functional program ripped out of his hands.
Can't bring him back now. Should have never let him go. The decision to let Stans go set our basketball program back 4 or 5 years. If he had stayed there is no way we would put a team out there sporting a 200+ RPI. He always got players. We have trouble now keeping more than 7 scholarship players on the bench.
I will leave this here... Won't be seeing it anytime again anyway... Those were the days... dumpster fire and dreams of NCAA tourneys... We don't have to worry about either now... Me, I would take a dumpster fire that has a chance to play postseason ball. I remember when guys on here thought we should not only go after but that coaches like Gregg Marshall and Shaka Smart would beg to come to MSU...
Whoa there ...
Talk about 'revisionist' history. No one can say 'if' for sure Hood or anyone else would have stayed or not but when Stans left, Lewis and Steele had not left and (contrary to what Coach 34 says) Stans had commits from Sword (Apr 2011) Ware (Jun 2011) Thomas (May 2011) and Josh Gray (Aug 2011).
Just where would Ray be now ... without Sword, Ware & Thomas?
Best case scenario if Stans had stayed ... he has a team of Hood, Lewis, Ware, Roquez Johnson, Sword, Thomas, Steele & Gray ... plus possible others.
Talk about 'revisionist' history. No one can say 'if' for sure Hood or anyone else would have stayed or not but when Stans left, Lewis and Steele had not left and (contrary to what Coach 34 says) Stans had commits from Sword (Apr 2011) Ware (Jun 2011) Thomas (May 2011) and Josh Gray (Aug 2011).
Just where would Ray be now ... without Sword, Ware & Thomas?
Best case scenario if Stans had stayed ... he has a team of Hood, Lewis, Ware, Roquez Johnson, Sword, Thomas, Steele & Gray ... plus possible others.
Just a guess ...
Think you been spending too much time over at ED with C34.
Stans had Lewis, Roq Johnson and Steele coming back ... Plus commits from Sword, Ware, Thomas and Gray. Before Stans left Hood indicated he would return ... who knows if he would have followed through.
So ... list all the "atheletic talent" Ray has brought in. You do know that only ONE of his THREE signees is playing this year ... right?
Think you been spending too much time over at ED with C34.
Stans had Lewis, Roq Johnson and Steele coming back ... Plus commits from Sword, Ware, Thomas and Gray. Before Stans left Hood indicated he would return ... who knows if he would have followed through.
So ... list all the "atheletic talent" Ray has brought in. You do know that only ONE of his THREE signees is playing this year ... right?
Stansbury deserves a lot of credit for the complete lack of talent and even bodies we had last year. But Ray absolutely had to bring in some players who could have at least contributed this year. And he failed miserably. All I can say is these guys sitting out this year better be pretty damn good next year.
Simply, not the answer we need.
He was a contributor to the new dumpster fire we have but he is not the answer to fix it.
He was a contributor to the new dumpster fire we have but he is not the answer to fix it.
Okay ...
Stans last two years were bad and I make no excuses. But, the fact remains that he did manage to win 9 & 8 SEC games with a 16 game SEC schedule those two years.
Trivia ... name the MSU basketball coach that 'owns' the MSU RECORD for SEC losses in a row. (Hint ... its not Joe Dan Gold, Kermit Davis, Ron Greene, Jim Hatfield, Bob Boyd, Williams or Stansbury)
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Yepper ... Rick Ray is the record holder with 13 ... and no other coach in MSU history has managed to lose that many SEC games in a row until last year. Bonus ... Ray has a chance to 'tie' the record this year.
Stans last two years were bad and I make no excuses. But, the fact remains that he did manage to win 9 & 8 SEC games with a 16 game SEC schedule those two years.
Trivia ... name the MSU basketball coach that 'owns' the MSU RECORD for SEC losses in a row. (Hint ... its not Joe Dan Gold, Kermit Davis, Ron Greene, Jim Hatfield, Bob Boyd, Williams or Stansbury)
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Yepper ... Rick Ray is the record holder with 13 ... and no other coach in MSU history has managed to lose that many SEC games in a row until last year. Bonus ... Ray has a chance to 'tie' the record this year.
I love how small minded MSU fans are. The new guy can't get it done, so we should bring back the old guy that got it done for a while and then turned our program into a disgace nationally (regardless of winning).
Why wouldn't you instead say that we need to bring in someone totally new? Why fall back only on what you had in the pastthat was clearly not working? Why ask for a polished turd instead of a turd?
The biggest issue I do have is that if Ray were to get canned, I don't think our current administration should do the hiring. It is a scary damn thought.
Why wouldn't you instead say that we need to bring in someone totally new? Why fall back only on what you had in the pastthat was clearly not working? Why ask for a polished turd instead of a turd?
The biggest issue I do have is that if Ray were to get canned, I don't think our current administration should do the hiring. It is a scary damn thought.
Not at all. But once things started downhill it was never going to get any better. I appreciate what Stans did for the program (and it was a lot). He also got some talent here. But once the fire got started and the Sydney Show went on the road it was not going to end. I wish he could have stayed until he died on the court. But he lost control, got burned out, whatever you want to label it and it was time for a change.
I don't know if Ray was the right hire or not. He had a big mess to cleanup before he could even begin to recruit and coach. I don't like losing and I do like hustle. I'm ok with being disgusted for two more seasons. If he can't turn it around by then he can move on and we can start over. AGAIN.
I don't know if Ray was the right hire or not. He had a big mess to cleanup before he could even begin to recruit and coach. I don't like losing and I do like hustle. I'm ok with being disgusted for two more seasons. If he can't turn it around by then he can move on and we can start over. AGAIN.
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Maybe we let him go one year too late or one year too early, but the transition was probably going to be hard regardless. In no way does that justify wanting him back or wishing we hadn't fired him, unless your position is I wish we hadn't fired him because I don't trust our current administration to ever make a hire.
I am a fan of Stansbury and think he could hit the reset button at another school and if not recreate his peak, still do well. I don't think he could do at at MSU. If we had never fired him, he would have never had enough turnover to change the culture. If he came back now, I'm just not sure how that'd be a stable situation.
The decision to let Stans stay several years too long set our program back. We did not fire him soon enough.
That's the reason we could not hire a good replacement for him, our program was too far gone..
he didn't leave he was fired. Josh Gray, Pollard, and maybe Hood stays. Plus what he signed that Rick Ray is playing now.I'll bet , his roster would have been full the last two years and He wouldn't have suffered our longest losing streak in the History of MSU
When you fire someone, I would expect the administration to already have a short-list of potential candidates. I would expect the administration to hire someone from the Gene Keady, Larry Brown, Rick Pitino, Thad Matta, etc. coach trees. I would expect them to hire someone who recognizes the talent to fit his philosophy and installs strong fundamentals.
I would expect that person to be the coach for 3 or 4 seasons unless he exceeds expectations. The current hire is falling behind the curve.
I can't disagree with any of that
but the scary thing is that Stansbury also deserves a lot of credit for the small amount of talent that we do have. If Ware, Sword, And Thomas weren't already in the bag when he was let go, there is no reason to believe that they'd be wearing maroon and white right now. If we think our team is bad now, imagine them without Ware and Sword...
but the scary thing is that Stansbury also deserves a lot of credit for the small amount of talent that we do have. If Ware, Sword, And Thomas weren't already in the bag when he was let go, there is no reason to believe that they'd be wearing maroon and white right now. If we think our team is bad now, imagine them without Ware and Sword...
Well, all I can say is ...
You are !00% right and our Admin was 'stuck' without a plan for a replacement and it showed. Hope they learned their lesson. There were a lot of fireworks on the 'old' board in those days. You missed out on all the fun times in Jan - Mar 2012 with the Coach34 dialog. He kept saying over and over that we were going to hire a 'big name' coach. Here are some his best quotes from that era ...
"My last Stansbury post on SPS until next March" Coach34 on 03/14/12 at 10:14 AM (Classic and should be in Sixpack remembers)
Another gem ... Coach34 ... "Stansbury's buddies have got him one last season, and he gets to go out a loser."
"Flip-flop" Coach34 03/26/12 08:42 AM and Dale- I can promise you ... We're not about to hire Kenny F'ing Payne or Joe Dooley either"
which goes along with this one ... Coach34 03/27/12 10:46 AM "OK Strick- Groce is gone- I say we go the Kenny F'ing Payne route Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too
Let's go with the Payne"
Oh it gets better ... Coach34 03/29/12 02:44 PM "we are down to 3 final candidates Kenny Payne, Stan Jones, or Mike Davis
I wont post again until the hire is made. Enjoy"
Coach34 03/29/12 02:59 PM "Prohm gets the job- ban me...he doesnt- you go back on sabbatical....deal?"
HD6 03/29/12 04:17 PM "I'll bet you none of your 3 get it. And it's not a year. FOR. EV. ER."
Coach34 03/29/12 04:30 PM "Good enough- I'm in...good luck to you"
And ... now ... there is ED
You are !00% right and our Admin was 'stuck' without a plan for a replacement and it showed. Hope they learned their lesson. There were a lot of fireworks on the 'old' board in those days. You missed out on all the fun times in Jan - Mar 2012 with the Coach34 dialog. He kept saying over and over that we were going to hire a 'big name' coach. Here are some his best quotes from that era ...
"My last Stansbury post on SPS until next March" Coach34 on 03/14/12 at 10:14 AM (Classic and should be in Sixpack remembers)
Another gem ... Coach34 ... "Stansbury's buddies have got him one last season, and he gets to go out a loser."
"Flip-flop" Coach34 03/26/12 08:42 AM and Dale- I can promise you ... We're not about to hire Kenny F'ing Payne or Joe Dooley either"
which goes along with this one ... Coach34 03/27/12 10:46 AM "OK Strick- Groce is gone- I say we go the Kenny F'ing Payne route Shaka has stars in his eyes- I get that
I dont know wtf is up with Marshall- I wish you would leak that because I'm curious
Illinois screwed us on Groce- that decision is understandable too
Let's go with the Payne"
Oh it gets better ... Coach34 03/29/12 02:44 PM "we are down to 3 final candidates Kenny Payne, Stan Jones, or Mike Davis
I wont post again until the hire is made. Enjoy"
Coach34 03/29/12 02:59 PM "Prohm gets the job- ban me...he doesnt- you go back on sabbatical....deal?"
HD6 03/29/12 04:17 PM "I'll bet you none of your 3 get it. And it's not a year. FOR. EV. ER."
Coach34 03/29/12 04:30 PM "Good enough- I'm in...good luck to you"
And ... now ... there is ED
I like Ray but I can't disagree with your assessment. The hiring process was incredibly strange.
I want badly for Ray to get it done. Right now it is unbelievably bad on the court but not as bad off the court. Unfortunately in college athletics, you can overcome the off the court problems at least for a while with wins. The opposite is not true.
It's sort of like this: Being at work on time is expected at most companies. Showing up on time does not equate to productivity of employees but it does at least ensure that your employees have the opportunity to get work done if they are actually in the building. The folks who are highly productive and make the company money can show up late if they want and it probably won't be mentioned much, if at all, as long as the productivity continues. Once productivity of said employees faulters, then people will always question what they were doing when they weren't at the office.
Stansbury was expected to keep our players from embarrasing the university and from getting into a lot of trouble. It was easy to look the other way if he was winning. The winning slowed up while at the same time the off the court stuff began to increase and everyone took notice. So he was asked to retire.
Right now, Ray is the guy showing up bright eyed and bushy tailed every single day but the job just isn't getting done in the end. It sucks but that is how I see it.
I want badly for Ray to get it done. Right now it is unbelievably bad on the court but not as bad off the court. Unfortunately in college athletics, you can overcome the off the court problems at least for a while with wins. The opposite is not true.
It's sort of like this: Being at work on time is expected at most companies. Showing up on time does not equate to productivity of employees but it does at least ensure that your employees have the opportunity to get work done if they are actually in the building. The folks who are highly productive and make the company money can show up late if they want and it probably won't be mentioned much, if at all, as long as the productivity continues. Once productivity of said employees faulters, then people will always question what they were doing when they weren't at the office.
Stansbury was expected to keep our players from embarrasing the university and from getting into a lot of trouble. It was easy to look the other way if he was winning. The winning slowed up while at the same time the off the court stuff began to increase and everyone took notice. So he was asked to retire.
Right now, Ray is the guy showing up bright eyed and bushy tailed every single day but the job just isn't getting done in the end. It sucks but that is how I see it.
And, I agree 100% ...
I'm a Mississippi State sports fan (since going to my first game in '62) and I pull for ANY guy that is coaching State. I was a Stans supporter and I'm a Ray supporter. I want them ALL to be successful.
Don't mind admitting that I supported Croom until the day he left.
I'm a Mississippi State sports fan (since going to my first game in '62) and I pull for ANY guy that is coaching State. I was a Stans supporter and I'm a Ray supporter. I want them ALL to be successful.
Don't mind admitting that I supported Croom until the day he left.
You know what else never gets old, this ridiculous notion that Stansbury somehow made MSU into some kind of national laughing stock. Granted that fight in the stands in Hawaii got a few laughs and might have inspired an article or two on a slow news day, but college basketball nation by and large could give a rat's *** about MSU basketball.
i have a thought. lets just scrap the hump and convert the new basketball practice facility into an indoor baseball practice facility, play basketball games in mccarthy gym, start building a world-class baseball facility on the top of the hill where the hump is, that way we kill 2 birds with one stone....basketball games that are sold out (check), solve the new dnf construction problem (check), give the basketball team some time to rebound at their own expense (check), then, when the time is right, we can start from scratch on a whole new basketball coliseum (as the hump is starting to show its age), built on the newly vacated DNF location.
2 new "big 3" facilities without having to sacrifice the on-campus games due to ongoing construction.
2 new "big 3" facilities without having to sacrifice the on-campus games due to ongoing construction.