Build the Mississippi Bulldogs football team....

[DAWG61]

It's been often wondered what a MSU & OM combined University would produce on the football field. Throwing out all reasons why this will never happen and assume it does happen pre 2012 football season. Who starts on offense and defense using both rosters and how many games does this team win? I'm saying 10-2 with losses to Bama and aTm. The replacement game is Missouri for the loss of the Egg Bowl and the schedule used is MSU.

QB Tyler Russell
RB Perkins/Scott timeshare
WR Bumphis
WR Moncrief
WR Chris Smith/Vincent Sanders
TE Marcus Green/Malcolm Johnson
OL ? sorry idk OM's OL very well
OL Gabe Jackson
OL Dillon Day
OL ?
OL Tobias Smith

DE CJ Johnson
DE Gross/Autry timeshare
DT Boyd
DT Gilbert Pena
LB Lawrence
LB Nkemdiche
LB McKinney
DB Banks
DB Slay
SS Prewitt
FS Whitley (don't cover just hit the **** outta people)

That is one nasty defense.

 

[engie]

Would be better to look at that lineup next year with the signing classes we're both bringing plus our redshirts getting on the field. Strictly from a highschool talent perspective, both teams will improve @ every position we replace players. Only spot that is even close is Boyd to Quay...

 

[DAWG61]

Really with the addition of 3 players (Moncrief, CJ and Nkemdiche) MSU would improve drastically imo. Mullen is close. He just has to seal the deal with these 3-4 players he's missing on. Who is left out there this year that MSU is hoping to sign that fall in the category of difference makers?

 

[engie]

Really with the addition of 3 players (Moncrief, CJ and Nkemdiche) MSU would improve drastically imo. Mullen is close. He just has to seal the deal with these 3-4 players he's missing on. Who is left out there this year that MSU is hoping to sign that fall in the category of difference makers?

Za'Darius Smith @ DE is a pretty damn big recruit. In the games I saw, I wasn't overly impressed with him, but he's gone national in the same way Autry did. Dude is being recruited HARD by Texas, A&M, FSU, etc. Chris Jones could be big for us in this spot as well. Then we need a blue-chip corner, which we've got Jalen Ramsey coming to campus this weekend, so that at least counts for something...

This was just updated today to show what we are probably looking at: http://mississippistate.247sports.com/Season/2013-Football/Targets

Another potentially huge recruit? Michael Carr if he's got his stuff together as reported. We need a WR like him tremendously bad, but it's starting to look pretty bleak for us in the JUCO ranks for a true deep threat. Still hoping we can pull Corey Smith for the slot, but it looks like he's headed to Ohio St...

 

[chew1095]

Michael Carr?

 

[engie]

Michael Carr?

Meeting with staff this coming week in hopes of rejoining the team.

 

[Coach 57]

Meeting with staff this coming week in hopes of rejoining the team.

Desperately needed!

 

[jacksonreb]

dang.....you've got 1 and two time share rebels on offense and 4 rebels on defense. all i can say is if that's how we line up we damn sure better let freeze coachum.

It's been often wondered what a MSU & OM combined University would produce on the football field. Throwing out all reasons why this will never happen and assume it does happen pre 2012 football season. Who starts on offense and defense using both rosters and how many games does this team win? I'm saying 10-2 with losses to Bama and aTm. The replacement game is Missouri for the loss of the Egg Bowl and the schedule used is MSU.

QB Tyler Russell
RB Perkins/Scott timeshare
WR Bumphis
WR Moncrief
WR Chris Smith/Vincent Sanders
TE Marcus Green/Malcolm Johnson
OL ? sorry idk OM's OL very well
OL Gabe Jackson
OL Dillon Day
OL ?
OL Tobias Smith

DE CJ Johnson
DE Gross/Autry timeshare
DT Boyd
DT Gilbert Pena
LB Lawrence
LB Nkemdiche
LB McKinney
DB Banks
DB Slay
SS Prewitt
FS Whitley (don't cover just hit the **** outta people)

That is one nasty defense.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

ZING......good one rebel.

However, I really can't wait until the Egg Bowl next year to put all this sudden rebel dominance forever to bed. It was one game, that your guys were more fired up to play, at YOUR stadium. Not that far-fetched. We have a better overall talent level.

 

[RebChuck]

Forever? Why even make this type statement? Did Mullen's stupid statement not make dent in your noggin?

Talent smalent, I don't give a 17 what the "talent" level is or what someone thinks about it as long as we win.

 

[Victory Red]

QB Tyler Russell Bo Wallace. He would run Mullen or Freeze's offense better than Russell. If you ran a pass heavy offense dependent on timing with quick developing routes, go with Russell.
RB Perkins/Scott timeshare
WR - slot Bumphis
WR Moncrief
WR Chris Smith/Vincent Sanders
TE Marcus Green/Malcolm Johnson
OL ? sorry idk OM's OL very well Pierce Burton
OL Gabe Jackson
OL Dillon Day
OL ? Aaron Morris
OL Tobias Smith for a half for a quarter for a couple of plays. Then Emmanuel McCray for a few series few plays. Then someone's backup while Smith and McCray consoled each other about their injuries.

DE CJ Johnson
DE Gross/Autry
DT Boyd
DT Gilbert Pena Gross
LB Lawrence
LB Nkemdiche
LB McKinney OR Serderius Bryant
DB Banks
DB Slay/Sawyer timeshare
SS Prewitt
FS Whitley Elston

The big problem with your defense is they are slow as molasses. Banks, Whitley, everyone. Slow. If you're determined to run a 4-3 I think you'd benefit from Bryant's speed at OLB. If you run Ole Miss' 4-2-5, you'd probably see Nkemdiche and someone else, maybe Lawrence at LB. You'd probably like to put Banks or Slay at the Husky spot and put Sawyer at the other corner. Elston was a CB/S in HS and is pretty decent in coverage and faster than Whitley. He also likes to hit just as much as Whitley, so you don't lose that.

 

[mcdawg22]

OL Tobias Smith for a half for a quarter for a couple of plays. Then Emmanuel McCray for a few series few plays. Then someone's backup while Smith and McCray consoled each other about their injuries.

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I laughed.

 

[jacksonreb]

i'm sure there will be a lot of this kind of fortune telling going on between our two groups for the next yr. we'll see when the time comes, but my contribution to the discussion would be that ole miss this yr, much as i love this team, was the least talented team freeze will ever have...supported by this very thread.. msu on the other hand had a senior laden team that 6 weeks ago was talking about nat'l championships. to say that we were more fired up may or may not be ture. frankly i call BS on that in the msu/olemiss game, BUT if it's true then that ought to scare you more than anything about the future cause sitting there with a chance for a 9 win reg season they should have been fired up. if not its on mullen. at this point i don't think the talent levels are radically different so i won't really argue that. looking at the list in the thread i don't know what rebel i would argue should be on it vs who he listed.

it will be fun to see how things go but as far as your anxiously awaiting next year, i'm reminded of what my dear departed momma used to tell me........be careful what you wish for.

ZING......good one rebel.

However, I really can't wait until the Egg Bowl next year to put all this sudden rebel dominance forever to bed. It was one game, that your guys were more fired up to play, at YOUR stadium. Not that far-fetched. We have a better overall talent level.

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

Wonderful. You've now got a team that would stil finish 4th or 5th in the SEC..

...coalesce the 2 rosters & you still have a team that is not better than aTm, Bama & UGA. Would be 50/50 to beat LSU & Florida. Hell, might not even beat Vandy. Just shows how mediocre & shallow the talent level is @ MSU & OM combined when compared to rest of the SEC. Also shows how far behind the 8 ball Mullen & Freeze are when it comes to recruiting.

 

[jacksonreb]

61, a question. i agree those three would have helped msu this year but do you honestly think looking at the results of msu's 4 losses that they would have changed the result. i think mullen is doing a good job at msu but i don't think you're quite that close. i think there are more gaps than that to get over the next step.

Really with the addition of 3 players (Moncrief, CJ and Nkemdiche) MSU would improve drastically imo. Mullen is close. He just has to seal the deal with these 3-4 players he's missing on. Who is left out there this year that MSU is hoping to sign that fall in the category of difference makers?

 

[engie]

msu on the other hand had a senior laden team that 6 weeks ago was talking about nat'l championships.

Senior-laden? Where?

The only seniors on this team were either freshmen that Mullen had to play immediately in the dire situation he inherited in 09, or the few players that Croom found ****** enough to redshirt in 08(which is saying something).... This is a very small senior class for us. 17 guys I believe including the JUCO guys Mullen brought in. Next years will be even smaller, since it consists of only the other half of Mullen's 09 class that got redshirted, and the 2 players in the 2010 class that he didn't, to go along with the 3 jucos from last season. I think that class is 14 of 15 guys total...

Both teams are very young overall. It's just more "out of sight and out of mind" for MSU, because we redshirted so many high 3* and 4* players this past year whereas Ole Miss played them immediately. Yes, hindsight is 20/20 on that, and I wish we had seen a few more of them. Could have used some of those freshmen on the defensive side...

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

"Senior laden team?"...

..when the starting line-up for MSU is announced next year on TV &/or radio, you'll notice only 2 names of significance missing: Chad Bumphis & Jonathan Banks. But like the rest of the graduating seniors, they rountinely disappeared in games that mattered, so the impact loss will be 0. But if you truly think MSU is going to be decimated by the loss of seniors, it's free country. Think what you want.

 

[mcdawg22]

Bumphis had 15 catches for 286 yards and 3 TDs against LSU and OM. How is that not showing up?

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

Bumphis was supposed to be our Percy Harvin...

...how did that work out for us this year.

 

[jacksonreb]

perhaps i'm mistaken...i was under the impression that ya'll had about 10 senior starters. if that is correct and they "routinely disagppeared in games that mattered" then i offer a couple of thoughts. if they were starting/playing significantly and disappeared either they were the best you had like it or not, or the coahes didin't know who should be playing. either one of those options should be disconcerting.

but again, i haven't studied the msu roster, i just have seen it posted that about 10 starters were seniors. if that's wrong then it probably won't be my last time today.

..when the starting line-up for MSU is announced next year on TV &/or radio, you'll notice only 2 names of significance missing: Chad Bumphis & Jonathan Banks. But like the rest of the graduating seniors, they rountinely disappeared in games that mattered, so the impact loss will be 0. But if you truly think MSU is going to be decimated by the loss of seniors, it's free country. Think what you want.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

I think you're off-base here.....

msu on the other hand had a senior laden team

This is not true.

to say that we were more fired up may or may not be ture.

This is as close to fact as can be with an obvious opinion. Every media outlet seemed to think like me.

BUT if it's true then that ought to scare you more than anything about the future cause sitting there with a chance for a 9 win reg season they should have been fired up. if not its on mullen.

It's human nature to not take seriously teams you've dominated for 3 years on-going. I'd be more concerned if we'd play our best game and gotten beat by 2 TD's, which was FAR from the case. What's the difference between 8 and 9 wins anyway. But you're right, it is on Mullen to get that fixed.

be careful what you wish for.

I say this in the most serious, non-flaming way. NO ONE is scared of Ole Miss. I can 100 percent assure you I am not. I was in 2008, then we kicked your *** in 2009 with a 'Sr. laden' team as you say. I will counter your mama's or grandma's or whoever's advice with this - don't put too much stock in that one game.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Best leave this one alone. The dude did leave as our career receiving leader. Not that that is much of a feat. But he was a solid player for us. Can he be replaced, probably.

 

[engie]

3 senior starting receivers
1 senior starting dl
1 senior starting lb
2 senior starting cbs
1 senior starting s(lost job last 3 games)

Always easiest to replace upperclassmen at skill positions. We will miss Slay/Banks (they were misused as hell all year anyway), but replace them with a HIGHLY underrated 3* in Giles, a 4* in Redmond, and an absolute stud in Justin Cox. Plus Coman and possibly another JUCO corner. We will miss Boyd to an extent, but we replace him with Quay and Nick James. We will miss Lawrence to an extent(Richie Brown will IMO be just as good in every facet from day 1 with a much higher athletic ceiling). We won't miss Broomfield, Chris Smith, or Arceto Clark very much, as their backups are just as good.

The "starting" terminology is overused in regards to us anyway. Fact is, we routinely play 50-60 different players for significant snaps...so the transition is pretty seamless. Looking strictly at highschool "stars", we upgrade at every position other than Bumphis' receiver slot.

The problems we had this year were largely schematic. "Joe Lee" Wommack would have wrecked **** with our cornerbacks in his scheme...

 

[johnson86-1]

QB Tyler Russell Bo Wallace. He would run Mullen or Freeze's offense better than Russell. If you ran a pass heavy offense dependent on timing with quick developing routes, go with Russell.
RB Perkins/Scott timeshare
WR - slot Bumphis
WR Moncrief
WR Chris Smith/Vincent Sanders
TE Marcus Green/Malcolm Johnson
OL ? sorry idk OM's OL very well Pierce Burton
OL Gabe Jackson
OL Dillon Day
OL ? Aaron Morris
OL Tobias Smith for a half for a quarter for a couple of plays. Then Emmanuel McCray for a few series few plays. Then someone's backup while Smith and McCray consoled each other about their injuries.

DE CJ Johnson
DE Gross/Autry
DT Boyd
DT Gilbert Pena Gross
LB Lawrence
LB Nkemdiche
LB McKinney OR Serderius Bryant
DB Banks
DB Slay/Sawyer timeshare
SS Prewitt
FS Whitley Elston

At running back, based on play at the end of the year, I'd split time between Nick Griffin and either Perkins or Scott. Our coaches obviously disagree with this, so I guess Griffin isn't as good as he looked, but when he played he brought something in running and pass blocking that Perkins and Scott (as far as I know) can't bring.

The most depressing position has to be WR. I like Chris Smith, and he would be solid as a possession receiver on a team with two better wide receivers, but he should not be the third best receiver between two SEC teams. If Sanders really isn't better than him, that's a pretty weak unit between our two teams.

But looking at this is eye opening. That would probably be a top 15 team, but I'm guessing we'd fall between A&M and USC in the SEC.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

61, a question. i agree those three would have helped msu this year but do you honestly think looking at the results of msu's 4 losses that they would have changed the result. i think mullen is doing a good job at msu but i don't think you're quite that close. i think there are more gaps than that to get over the next step.

Actually 61 is underselling it. Moncrief and CJ are all we needed. Our offense desperately lacked a deep threat. I can only imagine what kind of year Bumphis might've had if he'd had Moncrief commanding coverage on the other side (and holy Moses, what if Moncrief had Russell throwing to him?). Our defense needed any semblance of a pass rush. Those two take us to 2-2 in our four losses. Just goes to show how important getting the right players is.

That said, you've got to use the players correctly. We need a new DC. Badly.

 

[Victory Red]

I was trying to be nice. Sanders is clearly a much better WR than Chris Smith. I would actually say that Ja-Mes Logan is probably better than Smith, too.

 

[jacksonreb]

man i'm struggling with this new format. i can't make the reply work consistently. i'm old.....that said... you can spin it however you like but if your team wasn't fired up for our game then that's a problem. we were favored to win. that should have pissed enough of your players off to get their attention. if not, great for us going forward.

and i take no offensive on your not being scared. but i'm not looking at one game. i'm looking at our seasons...ya'll got 8 wins over patsies and got your *** handed to you 4 times. we got wins over some patsies and damn near beat a couple of the ones who ran over msu with a bunch of frs and sophs. our game merely confirmed what most of the world saw. msu is not a very good team this yr in yr 4 of mullen's tenure. maybe next yr will change but i see two teams on significantly different trajectories. i hope we can disagree on this peacefully cause i don't mean it as a flame either. we see it differently. next year will be interesting on many levels.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

we can disagree peacefully. i actually can't disagree with most our your post there, but before i declare msu 'not a very good team' i'd like to watch us in this bowl game. you don't go 8-4 without being an at least average team.

one tweak here or there can completely change the trajectory. a new DC with a new attitude and we are a contender next year. talent isn't our problem, there's definitely been some coaching issues, although i do realize talent will ALWAYS be a problem in the big picture at msu and um.

 

[jacksonreb]

i would be willing to agree on "average". it is not my opinion nor do i mean to be saying i think msu is a "bad" team. i think both of us this yr were average. the diff to me is that our being average was quite an accomplishment given where we were in august.

as far as the talent, i think it will take time but i'm convinced the right guy can win anywhere and do it with "credible" talent. by that i mean that with say top 20 or better recruiting classes yr in yr out the right guy can win big. don't know if mullen or freeze is "that guy" but many who say msu and um can't really compete i think are wrong. its harder but it can be done i think.