Bunker busters

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I was hoping this was one of those threads with a cheeky little title that tricks people, and it was actually going to be a discussion on how difficult some of the bunkers were at this year‘s U.S. Open.

I was already and geared up to talk about the Church Pews and Big Mouth.
Piano Keys didn't seem to get a lot of coverage.
 
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kill them all GIF by The X-Files
And so began the career of one of the greatest heavy metal bands of all time.
 

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I hope they find a way to do it without using our planes, but eliminating any possibility of Iran getting a nuke is great for EVERYONE.

Even the arab nations want this. They aren't saying it explicitly but they are saying it.
As good as Israel's pilots are, it wouldn't take long to train 2-3 to fly the B-2 and operate it. BTW, in the past some of Israel's pilots have participated in the U.S. Top Gun school.
 

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Iran almost having a nuke is the neocons' version of global warming.
I have no idea if they almost have a nuke or not.

But common sense says they are trying to get a nuke. If they aren't, why wouldn't they negotiate on the basis of no nuclear enrichment? They don't need or want a nuclear power plant.
 
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Iran almost having a nuke is the neocons' version of global warming.
I mean, Israel and the US have been doing things to stop them from getting a bomb. It's not like they said we'd all be dead from an Iran nuke in 5 years 25 years ago, and then did nothing to stop them from getting a bomb, and then kept recycling the claim that we were going to die in 5 years for the next two+ decades.
 

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I have no idea if they almost have a nuke or not.

But common sense says they are trying to get a nuke. If they aren't, why wouldn't they negotiate on the basis of no nuclear enrichment? They don't need or want a nuclear power plant.
Of course they are. And for everyone arguing about whether or not they're close to developing a nuclear bomb, you're asking the wrong question. The question is why should Israel (or the USA) wait until they get to that point to stop them? You stop them earlier rather than later when the job becomes much more difficult, and more risky.
 

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Of course they are. And for everyone arguing about whether or not they're close to developing a nuclear bomb, you're asking the wrong question. The question is why should Israel (or the USA) wait until they get to that point to stop them? You stop them earlier rather than later when the job becomes much more difficult, and more risky.
Yeah but orange man bad and zionism bad.
 
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Looks like a lot of folks ready to sign up and go fight.
 
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Will the MOAB penetrate 1.5 miles into a mountain? I thought the large version of the Bunker Buster that can only be delivered by the B2 could do that?

Israel doesn't have a B2 to deliver the bunker buster needed
News said Fordow was about 300 feet under the surface. I don't know. Just what they said.
 
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Idk why we dont go ahead and insure the facilities are completely destroyed. Iran air defense is annihilated and it would be near zero risk. Then let Israel continue whatever they want to do.
 

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Looks like a lot of folks ready to sign up and go fight.
I am 100% ready and fully committed sign up to exert maximal effort in not stopping Israel from taking care of this.

I'm all for being skeptical about our ability to wisely and effectively exert influence over domestic politics in foreign lands. But if not stopping israel from taking out Iran's nuclear capabilities counts as being involved, then we're going to be involved regardless, so not stopping Israel seems like a reasonable, relatively non-intrusive "involvement" for us.

Plus unlike Iraq, there's a decent possibility a more enlightened regime might take over in Iran. If I had to put money on it, I'd bet on a still terrible regime but one that out of self preservation if for no other reason tries to limit anything to antagonize the US or Israel. But it's not impossible that they will end up with a regime that allows women to show their legs in public and to drive, which I think most men would agree the former happening is worth the safety issues from the latter.
 

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Israel doesn't have a plane that can carry these bombs. IF we get involved it will simply be to drop a handful of these big boys on the necessary nuclear sites in Iran. Yes more than one in particular on the mountain site. Is there any other way to insure Iran does not get a nuke ? Not that anyone knows of. I'm sure some SPS poster does tho. Does anyone want them having a few nukes ?? I'm sure it would be problematic. I'm honestly surprised they have not utilized some dirty bombs yet. Anyway, in before the lock.
As long as they promise not to use them on us, I think we should give them a handful of nukes, as a show of good will, and be done with it.
 

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This may be the last opportunity to stop an Iranian bomb. Not doing so would be a colossal mistake. Let Isreal do most of the work, but there are a couple of vital places that can only be hit by bombs that only US B-2 bombers can carry. This needs to be done as soon as the Iranian defenses are destroyed.
 

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Exactly. They would allow real inspections. It's just like when your girlfriend loses her mind cause you wanna look thru her phone. At this point tho the job needs to be finished. We are bad about half a$$ing schitt. Regime change needs to be facilitated too. Imo
if you feel the need to look through your gf's phone, just leave her already.
 

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This may be the last opportunity to stop an Iranian bomb. Not doing so would be a colossal mistake. Let Isreal do most of the work, but there are a couple of vital places that can only be hit by bombs that only US B-2 bombers can carry. This needs to be done as soon as the Iranian defenses are destroyed.
No it want. In five years people will claim we need to strike again to stop them from getting a bomb. It is the same story over the last 25 years. I think what our officials and Israel really want is regime change. The would be a massive mistake. It didn’t work in Libya or Iraq. How about we take care of of Veterans and stop buying bombs.
 

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Israel should bomb us if we don't do everything it wants. That'll show America who's boss. Every time we intervene militarily in the Middle East it always works out fine.
 

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No it want. In five years people will claim we need to strike again to stop them from getting a bomb. It is the same story over the last 25 years. I think what our officials and Israel really want is regime change. The would be a massive mistake. It didn’t work in Libya or Iraq. How about we take care of of Veterans and stop buying bombs.
You can’t leave someone like Iran unchecked.

regime change may or may not be good but the current regime would likely drop a small nuke without much thought if they had it

that’s bad for the world

Let’s quit giving SS to able body adults.
Let’s treat veteran hospital employees like they work for a private company and then maybe we can fix that system. Employees from the top to the bottom.
 
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Will the MOAB penetrate 1.5 miles into a mountain? I thought the large version of the Bunker Buster that can only be delivered by the B2 could do that?

Israel doesn't have a B2 to deliver the bunker buster needed
It can be dropped from a C130. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a retired Brigadier General about it. He said you did not need B52, Iseral has the most updated C130.
 

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No it want. In five years people will claim we need to strike again to stop them from getting a bomb. It is the same story over the last 25 years. I think what our officials and Israel really want is regime change. The would be a massive mistake. It didn’t work in Libya or Iraq. How about we take care of of Veterans and stop buying bombs.
It's the same story over the last 25 years because absolutely nothing real was done to stop them from building their nuclear weapons program. It's all been talk and they just kept right on building. That's why we are where we are now. They were and are going to build nuclear bombs unless they are physically stopped. That WILL mean the end of Isreal, and a lot more. If you ever dive into the religious beliefs of the leaders of Iran it will scare you. A nuclear armed Iran is a threat to the entire world and all of humanity. They believe an apocalypse is necessary for the fulfillment of their religion. That apocalypse includes their own people. They WANT to provoke one. They can't be allowed to get the means to do so. Isreal knows. A lot of the Arabs know. Why do you think they aren't jumping to defend Iran? It's also why regime change is also almost a must eventually. Now is the time while they are on the ropes.