Bunker busters

L4Dawg

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Yeah, I won't argue that info could be incorrect or even manipulated. They have been " weeks away" for years. Still better safe than sorry and no way I would advocate for boots on the ground. We never should have toppled Hussein or Gadafi. Big mistakes as usual. And no, the MOAB will not penetrate deep enough. Actually will take multiple bunker busters to assure success in the deep mountain asset
No, they have never been labeled as weeks away before, ever. Not even by Isreal.
 
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The Middle East will never be peaceful. Part of the problem is how the British drew the lines of the nations during WW1, cutting between different religious groups. Also, one of the reasons they hate us is that we keep dropping bombs every few years. I would want a nuke too if I had generations of my family blown up by Israel and the USA. Maybe we should sit down with them and apologize and seek peace. It was working with Trump and North Korea until people got in the way. It can work here.
The part about the British is spot on. The rest is insanity. If they would let Isreal and their neighbors alone nobody would be dropping bombs on them. It's just that simple.
 

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It can be dropped from a C130. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a retired Brigadier General about it. He said you did not need B52, Iseral has the most updated C130.
MOAB (massive ordinance air blast) was designed to be delivered by the C130, but it is not a bunker buster. The MOP is the bunker buster (massive ordinance penetrator) and can only be delivered by the B2
 

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They aren't exactly like us, but they are not completely irrational. Helping somebody set off a dirty bomb would rally everybody against them. Everybody kinda sorta pretends that Hezbollah and Hamas and the Houthis aren't Iran proxies so Iran doesn't catch the full wrath that they probably deserve for the killing they sponsor. If they set off a dirty bomb, that mutual pretending goes away and they also galvanize other countries around never allowing Iran to have a nuclear bomb. If they ever get a nuclear bomb, they probably won't be keen to use it either. They will ramp up their offenses through proxies and rely on the threat of the nuclear bomb to limit the damage an Israel or US might do in retaliation.

I think that was the big lesson leaders took from the second gulf war. You want to be North Korea, and have a nuke and preferably an ideological partner with nukes.
They will use a bomb in a heartbeat. This is a war of religion with them, and provoking the apocalypse is their main aim.
You misspelled Saudi Arabia
no, he got it right.
 

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Also, one of the reasons they hate us is that we keep dropping bombs every few years. I would want a nuke too if I had generations of my family blown up by Israel and the USA. Maybe we should sit down with them and apologize and seek peace.

No offense, but this is incredibly wrong. If I'm missing your sarcasm, I apologize. But do you really think we (or Israel) just randomly drop bombs on those people for no reason?

It's called "peace through strength" and it's basically the only language they understand. If we sit here and do nothing, they WILL come attack us - they've proven it over and over. And they don't do what we do - target specific military compounds and leaders, and try to limit civilian casualties.

No, they do and will kill innocent civilians. On purpose. And as many as possible. We are all "infidels", which means we don't believe in or adhere to their religion. So, we must die. There is no "if you leave us alone, we'll leave you alone" with these people. Therefore, when they make threats (which they constantly do), or start amassing great quantities of weapons (which they have), the western world MUST show them, hopefully sooner than later, that we aren't going to stand by and let them kill our people.

If you really want no war - taking their leaders out and destroying their weapons is the only way to get to that point.

Also, we should apologize? For WHAT???
 

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That's the MOAB, not the big bunker buster. Only the B2 can even carry it. This bomb was designed specifically for this situation with Iran.
They are thinking that the bunker has been hit enough to weaken it so either will work. However, I do think it will be the B52 that delivers it. It is coming. I think unless the Supreme Leader is ousted and seeks asylum in Russia, Trump will have to act.
 

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The MOAB can't be delivered by the B52, it is designed to slide out of a C130 with a parachute. It is a air burst weapon. It works on cave systems not by penetrating but creating massive over pressure.
 
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It can be dropped from a C130. I was talking to a friend of mine who is a retired Brigadier General about it. He said you did not need B52, Iseral has the most updated C130.
Apparently our bomber would drop 1 bunker buster and circle around for a second drop on the same location or a second bomber would hit the same location to ensure its pounded deep and hard. It’s would leave a hole that would take a while to close up.
 

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I wonder what the chances of success would be by putting boots on the ground to take control of the facility? It seems plausible if Israel truly has air superiority. I’m sure the knuckleheads have thought of that possibility though and have a plan to defend.
 

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I wonder what the chances of success would be by putting boots on the ground to take control of the facility? It seems plausible if Israel truly has air superiority. I’m sure the knuckleheads have thought of that possibility though and have a plan to defend.
The big bunker buster was designed specifically with this place in mind. No need to do that.
 

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I wonder what the chances of success would be by putting boots on the ground to take control of the facility? It seems plausible if Israel truly has air superiority. I’m sure the knuckleheads have thought of that possibility though and have a plan to defend.
They'll use U.S. troops for that.
 

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Absolutely this.. if Israel puts down their arms they will be slaughtered. If the Islamists put down theirs there is instant peace.
I don't disagree, but I get why Iran refuses to drop the guns. There are no good guys in the Middle East. Isreal just as bad as its enemies. There are a lot of women and children dead from both nations.
 
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I don't disagree, but I get why Iran refuses to drop the guns. There are no good guys in the Middle East. Isreal just as bad as its enemies. There are a lot of women and children dead from both nations.
I’ve read too many books about the road to 9/11 and State sponsored terrorism to believe Israel is “just as bad as its enemies”.

No nation is perfect… but there are some real PoS’s in the ME.
 

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I’ve read too many books about the road to 9/11 and State sponsored terrorism to believe Israel is “just as bad as its enemies”.

No nation is perfect… but there are some real PoS’s in the ME.
A person has to have their head stuck of far up their *** that they can’t see daylight to suggest Israel is as bad its enemies. They are either ignorant or biased.
 

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I don't disagree, but I get why Iran refuses to drop the guns. There are no good guys in the Middle East. Isreal just as bad as its enemies. There are a lot of women and children dead from both nations.
Israel wants to exist as a nation. Israel only shoots missiles when fired upon. Israel spent a good portion of their military budget on the iron dome (a defense system) to protect innocents instead of more rocket launchers to kill enemies. Israel tries to only bomb military targets. Israel drops leaflets and puts out radio transmissions warning civilians to move out of specific areas they are about to bomb. Israel wants peace.

The muslim countries won't allow Israel to exist as a nation. The muslim countries want to kill all "zionists" as a part of their religion. The muslim countries send bombs in purposefully to civilian areas to inflict as many casualties as possible, in hopes that Israel will give up faster. The muslim countries hide their military in schools, under churches, and in surroundings with lots of civilians on purpose, in hopes that Israel won't bomb them there -- they literally use women and children as human shields, with zero regard for human life. The muslim countries do not want peace, their signs literally say "DEATH TO ISRAEL" and "DEATH TO AMERICA".
 
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He said weeks in 2015 as well.
A. I haven't seen the proof he was wrong in 2015, but if I were him (with my country being the target), I might be extra cautious too.
B. So what if he was wrong? Does that mean they don't have them now, 10 years later?

I don't know who came up with it, but "yeah but he said that before" seems like a weak argument.
 

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Israel wants to exist as a nation. Israel only shoots missiles when fired upon. Israel spent a good portion of their military budget on the iron dome (a defense system) to protect innocents instead of more rocket launchers to kill enemies. Israel tries to only bomb military targets. Israel drops leaflets and puts out radio transmissions warning civilians to move out of specific areas they are about to bomb. Israel wants peace.

The muslim countries won't allow Israel to exist as a nation. The muslim countries want to kill all "zionists" as a part of their religion. The muslim countries send bombs in purposefully to civilian areas to inflict as many casualties as possible, in hopes that Israel will give up faster. The muslim countries hide their military in schools, under churches, and in surroundings with lots of civilians on purpose, in hopes that Israel won't bomb them there -- they literally use women and children as human shields, with zero regard for human life. The muslim countries do not want peace, their signs literally say "DEATH TO ISRAEL" and "DEATH TO AMERICA".
It’s pretty simple and everyone knows it: If Isreal puts down its weapons it ceases to exist. If the Islamists put theirs down there is peace.
 
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They will use a bomb in a heartbeat. This is a war of religion with them, and provoking the apocalypse is their main aim.

no, he got it right.
No. He got it wrong. Where was Bin Laden from? Where were every single one of the hijackers from?

I guess Israel didn’t get nukes from literally stealing them from America, either huh?
 

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No. He got it wrong. Where was Bin Laden from? Where were every single one of the hijackers from?

I guess Israel didn’t get nukes from literally stealing them from America, either huh?
He got it right. 9/11 was over 20 years ago. Things change. i don’t think Isreal stole any American nukes.
 
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