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dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
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I would clap for Sylvester Croom if he was recognized/featured at a basketball game.

For me, a definitive buy because I still like the guy even though he didn't get it done.
 

dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
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18,412
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I would clap for Sylvester Croom if he was recognized/featured at a basketball game.

For me, a definitive buy because I still like the guy even though he didn't get it done.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

All-Conference
Jun 5, 2008
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Have respect for him...things just weren't going to work..

Like B. Bowden says, there are 2 kinds of coaches, those that have been fired, and those that are about to be fired...

High pressure job, but thats why they make the big bucks...
 

DawgatAuburn

All-Conference
Apr 25, 2006
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I would not boo him, but I would not feel compelled to clap for that loser. He did more to set State football back than Jackie ever did. And he didn't exactly have kind words for the national media on his way out the door. And has he YET called Veazey or Locke back since "the resignation" was announced??
 

Frances Drebin

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Nov 16, 2005
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...but I wouldn't clap for him either. He's done nothing to deserve my appreciation, and he's become a millionaire for his futility.
 

dawgman42

All-American
Jul 24, 2007
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Sell, sell, sell. Dude was far too stubborn and ignorant to be on the receiving end of a $1.7 million SEC head coaching position. And it's even worse to listen to his "bu-bu-but, I was gonna hire Al Borges to 'fix' everything next year" crap. Croom got, professionally, what he deserved. He can be a nice guy all he wants . . . he divided the fan base and had a lousy record. Let that be the judge of his performance. He gets no claps from me.
 

DerHntr

All-Conference
Sep 18, 2007
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he hated our fans and the feeling was very much mutual for me. he is rich from the job he did here. he does not need my claps at a basketball game. i wouldn't boo him because it is a waste of my time.
 

Maroon Eagle

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May 24, 2006
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...but I'll even cheer for him if he's an honorary captain for MSU before a game vs. Alabama several years from now like Bellard was in 2007.

Jackie's got to be an honorary captain first though perhaps for the 2009 Egg Bowl.
 

Todd4State

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Mar 3, 2008
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I think he had a good vision for the program, but I think he went about it the wrong way. There some very simple things that he could have done that would have helped his cause like allow the team to wear maroon helmets, maybe run the spread with some bits of the WCO to satisfy himself and the players, and other things like that. I really think a lot of his coaching feaux paus this year were because he couldn't handle accountability from Byrne. Of course, having Woody really is probably the root of what ultimately killed him- can imagine firing a coach for not having the right helmet color? It's sad for him that Byrne wasn't around sooner, because I believe that there would have been accountability right off the bat, and he would know that he couldn't mess around for seven years, and he would have been forced to fire or reassign Woody at least two years ago. I also think that he meddled with the offense some to try to cover for his buddy, and if he had someone competent- even an Al Borges- where he could have left the offense alone like he did the defense, which certainly played at an acceptable level during his tenure, it would have helped him out a lot.

Of course, if Byrne were around five years ago, we probably have Jimbo Fisher as our HC, if not someone else.
 
M

MadBarrister

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assuming he would want to be recognized, it would be the incredible low of lows if he wasn't greeted with respect.

I doubt the guy took the job wanting to not win, although his results weren't too good, don't doubt that he gave effort before getting worn down this past season.

But in the end, if you are going to see him at a local sporting event, cast your eyes to Tuscaloosa.
 

dpaul798

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Mar 14, 2004
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what the 17 is wrong with some of you people?!? this idiot almost single handedly destroyed our football program in 5 long years and stole a shitload of our money. now that weve hired an exciting new head coach have we already forgotten what this guy did to our university? its unbelievable how short some of our memories are but, i guess thats what makes us mississippi state...jesus...oh and a big emphatic 17ing sell
 

dpaul798

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Mar 14, 2004
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and another thing....he was a fat, lazy, pompous, arrogant, stubborn, selfish, moronic sack of monkey ****. and a thief
 

was21

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May 29, 2007
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fanbase, and took every opportunity to show it. He also did NOT like Jack Cristil...it was obvious on the "The Old Jew and the Fat Black Guy" short lived television series...that was his death knell. AND also by the way, that program will not be syndicated.
 

FQDawg

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May 1, 2006
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I don't blame him for being a bad coach. He was certainly rough around the edges when it came to dealing with fans but I've seen worse and I honestly think he meant well. I just don't think he realized that it was 2008 and not 1978 and that the college game had changed significantly since he'd been in the NFL.

In the end, I don't blame Croom. I would most certainly thank him for his efforts and opine that I wish things had turned out differently.

The guy who ought to get boo'ed is Larry Templeton for A) hiring an unproven NFL position coach who had been out of the college game for decades, B) telling the guy he could take his sweet time turning the program around because he wouldn't be held accountable for a few years and C) helping to foster the myth that we were in some desperate hole that would take the better part of a decade to climb out of.
 

was21

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May 29, 2007
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era (or error) was accepting the job. His tenure will go down in SEC and college football history as a monumental failure..Felker's will be remembered as more successful than his.as pitiful as it was..and for just cause...yes, Templeton was the villian...and his crosseyed cohart Lee. Croom is just another example of how the black man being used...he was totally unqualifed for an SEC HC but took the money and ran...all the way...and we all know why LT hired him.</p>
 

Todd4State

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Mar 3, 2008
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was21 said:
fanbase, and took every opportunity to show it. He also did NOT like Jack Cristil...it was obvious on the "The Old Jew and the Fat Black Guy" short
lived television series...that was his death knell. AND also by the way, that program will not be syndicated.

You really think that we fired him in part because he didn't like Jack? Should I have asked for a new sarcasm meter for Christmas?
 

KurtRambis4

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Aug 30, 2006
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pretty sure he's kidding. nobody would fault someone for taking a better job in their profession and trying to better themselves.
 

Todd4State

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was21 said:
as more successful than his.

I think that Croom was more successful than Rockey as HC. Their record was almost identical in five years- Croom was 21-38 and Felker 21-34- Croom coached in an era where teams played 12 as opposed to 11, so while Felker does have a slightly better winning PCT, much of that is because of the schedules in their era. Both had one winning season- Croom's was a 7-5 regular season with a bowl win, and Felker's was 6-5. Croom went to one bowl game while Felker never did, but to be fair Croom coached in an era with more bowl games than Felker, and I highly suspect that Rockey's 6-5 team would have gone somewhere in today's college landscape.

Now let's talk about "Big wins" vs. "Bad losses"

Croom's big wins- Twice over Bama, Auburn on the road, ranked Vandy team (OK that's a stretch), Floirda, ranked Kentucky team in 07.

Croom's bad losses- Maine, Vandy, UAB, Houston (personally don't consider this THAT bad of a loss, especially when compared to the others, but I'll throw it in there because a lot of people do. I do agree that MSU should have beat them with a record day from Norwood.), Tulane, and La Tech.

Felker's big wins- Syracuse, Tennessee, Florida, and LSU. USM twice with Brett Favre will be my throw in there.

Felker's bad losses- Vandy and Tulane twice.

So, Croom had more big wins than Felker, with or without the throw ins, but Felker had fewer bad losses. BUT Felker's schedules were much more difficult, so there were fewer opportunities for bad losses. Felker did oversee Tech and 10, so he deserves credit for that.

Felker's coaching record against SEC teams was 5-28.
Croom's in a much more difficult SEC era was 10-30. So, Croom won twice as many SEC games as Felker.

In the Egg Bowl, Croom was 2-3, and Felker was 1-4. Of course, Felker had to go up against Billy Brewer, and Croom got to go up against O for three years.

So, based on my research, Croom and Felker had basically similar tenures, which means that Felker was as much as failure as Croom as a HC, but neither was more of a failure than the other. I think the difference as time goes on, at least in the eyes of the fan, is that Felker played QB at MSU whereas Croom had a love affair with Bama. It will be interesting to so what happens with Mullen, because Felker got a lot of credit for leaving Jackie with good players, and Croom is already getting a lot of credit for leaving Mullen a good recruiting class this year. Plus, both took over in very dire situations- Bellard left Felker with little, and Croom took over a team on probation. Both lost games that their teams should have won against Auburn by one point their last year and also both lost to Kentucky, which many people say is when it was decided that a change should have been made.

It's very interesting to see how similar their tenures were.
 

dogfan96

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Jun 3, 2007
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did a worse job at ISU (or at least as bad) and parlayed it into a BETTER job. Croom would've been crazy not to take the job unless he felt like he couldn't do the job (and nobody really ever thinks that).