Bye bye charters
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If any changes are made still has to pass Coopers desk. What do you think the chances of that happening?
So I wrote a paper on this for a college class a couple of years ago about how it's not fair that charters and private schools are playing with the public schools due to certain advantages. It's funny how that comes full circle now that privates and charters are moving up a class.
Probably pretty good. NC Democrats would love to have a stranglehold on the education system, and charter schools are the darling of the NC Republicans.
Really glad if/when this passes that this won't be a 1A problem anymore. Hopefully, it won't be a public school problem in the future.
Did cooper have anything to do with the increase in charters a few years ago? Did he veto or was he even able to at that time.
are we sure the vote is going to be partisan? if not, i wonder how many democrat votes republicans need for a super majority to override a potential veto from the governors mansion.
There’s zero wrong with these ‘darling’ charter schools. I’m fact they’re are pretty danged successful. But they need to be in their own classification
Senate-Republican (28) Democratic (22)
House-Republican (69) Democratic (51)
Veto override Senate 30 votes, House 72 votes
It will pass the legislature, be vetoed by Cooper, and be overridden by the general assembly to become law. Que and the NCHSAA should take this compromise and be thankful - oversight and accountability are better than complete dismantlement. The next question is “when” will this get implemented? 2022-2023? 2023-2024?
So what’s the penalty for cheating, brawling, etc.? If it’s not monetary, what will it be?
I never supported the “equity” formula that allows for considerations other than student population. But it’s in place. So, now what? We realign again after one year? So, the teams that moved up or down based on that formula will revert to their previous classification? And possibly another new conference?
What a cluster!
Typical legislative overreach.
I never supported the “equity” formula that allows for considerations other than student population. But it’s in place. So, now what? We realign again after one year? So, the teams that moved up or down based on that formula will revert to their previous classification? And possibly another new conference?
What a cluster!
Typical legislative overreach.
They only have those educational advantages because they are allowed to work under a different set of rules. What happened to that “incubator“ concept where charters would share the successes with traditional public schools so they could incorporate them?
I don't care if they realigned again tomorrow. Better than the Custer we got now in 1a.
Trust me....Charters feel the same way about playing in 1A as you do. And last I checked, Charters are public no matter how badly you want to think otherwise. Charters play by the rules that were implemented WAAAAAY before they entered the playing field because of the "unfair" advantages and cheating going on by the traditional schools. It's funny to hear you grown people on here wishing other athletes, students, and schools would go away. And we wonder why some schools and communities have a hard time progressing to the present.
Who said anything about going away?
2a baby.
Take your Silver spoon with you.
2a baby.
Take your Silver spoon with you.
No silver spoon. Just don't use the "unfair" play when I don't get my way like some (you). We aren't stuck in the past and understand that progressing forward is or can be a good thing. Like it or not, Charters are here because of our poor education system of the past. Silver spoon....you are truly clueless and the sad thing is you are an adult....
Incorporate concepts such as discipline, pledge of allegiance, prayer, etc.? The lib rejection of such things and others is why they were finally developed in the first place
I'm for school choice but not for all star teams.
Public Schools playing charters affects everyone not just the people who are upset we want what is right and fair. I'll keep saying it's unfair because that's what it is.
Public schools aren't a place to install the concept of prayer. But hey, keep complaining about indoctrination.
The advantages include no requirements for transportation, lunch, lower qualification for teachers, etc.. Ask any traditional school teacher how much of their time goes into the things that charters don’t require. And how rigid the curriculum is in traditionals compared to charters. Curriculum is where that whole incubator thing has gone by the wayside. And how many traditional schools are “for profit”?
For profit schools are fine…but not at taxpayer expense. As for prayer, keep the school out of my kid’s education. My church and I will take care of that.
Charters draw from a 25 mile radius and that enables them to have the pick of student (athlete) litter. They load up wrestling teams, baseball teams, softball teams and other sports with kids from 2-3 counties surrounding them. The teaching credentials and requirements are not that of general public schools and they are not overseen by a county or district office. Don't be surprised to see some of them do very well at a higher class because they can continue to pull in from all over the place and load talent up.
Shelby and Reidsville standing on the corner when charter school pulls up and says, Hi guys I'm your new neighbor. Shelby and Reidsville look at each other and say, this is going be so much fun. Insert evil laugh. Lol.
How many 1A schools would be bumped up and could that possibly force Shelby and Reidsville down to 1a.
Agreed. Basketball and wrestling are where they are really enjoying an advantage, but if it were allowed to go on long enough, football and baseball would be overrun too.
Huh? My kids went to a charter and they provided transportation, lunch/breakfast as well, 98% of all the teachers were highly qualified (meaning they had their teaching licensure) only one I can recall that didn't was a retired teacher who was brought in during the middle of the year to replace someone who had passed. I've been teaching for 22 years, and I'm not sure what "traditional" school teachers are putting in as you say that charter teachers aren't. My kids were a part of a very rigid, rigorous, college-preparatory charter that the "traditional" schools will NEVER measure up to. If the Charter is run the correct way, it survives EXACTLY like a traditional school. The taxpayer $$ goes to students and is allocated to the districts. If a kid CHOOSES to go to a Charter, the $$ follows.
Also , to throw this out there, each day at my kids Charter School, they recited the Pledge of Allegiance, went to school on Memorial Day to have a program that had a breakfast program that honored ALL military past and present where the ENTIRE school lined up inside and outside as these military personnel walked from the gym to their cars. Also, they had a 9/11 memorial each year where the local fire department/Sherriff's office/local paramedics came to the soccer field. Everyone gathered holding hands to honor those who passed away and honor those who put their lives on the line each day.
Again, I'm not arguing that SOME prep schools give charters a bad name but for the most part Charters were and are created because traditional schools can't support the rigorous academics or athetics required these days.
Because of my job here at the NCGA I've been involved with this bill. It did just pass the Sen. Ed. committee and will move on to Sen Rules now (likely on the agenda for next Tues). I'm not able to say much more on this, but I will say the bill in it's current form would be interesting to see play out.
I did the math when this was first came up. I don't see anything requiring them to make the classes equal in size, but assuming they did a 25/25/25/25 split, you'd have 106.5 schools per class. Bumping all charter and parochial schools up and going by enrollment only, #106 would be Red Springs (748) and #107 would be North Pitt (759). Under the cut line would be Goldsboro, Greene Central, Reidsville, Kinston, Hendersonville, Walkertown, Chase, Oxford Webb, Elizabeth City Northeastern, SW Onslow, Science and Math, Whiteville, among others.
Haven't read the new version, but really hope it doesn't still require four classifications by law.
Also would personally prefer a multiplier rather than a blanket bump up. For instance, the charter school in Murphy is adding a high school and sports. They have a cap of 24 kids in each grade and pull from a rural area--I think 1A would probably be appropriate for them and similar schools, and that they aren't really apples to apples with a charter school with 500 students in a major metropolitan area. Plus still having some charters in 1A would help with the issue of the new 1A cap being so high.
You both may be surprised that I agree with almost everything you say. Though I don’t think any public school should be for profit.
The comments I made on requirements for charter schools are true. I’m happy to see that some charters provide those things, but there is no requirement to do so. I’m also happy to see charters excel. I just wish the legislature would follow through on its stated plan to require charter schools to share their curriculum, innovation and programs with traditional schools and give school systems the latitude to incorporate those things. That was the selling point for charters years ago. If it works for charters, let traditional schools do the same. Then measure success on a mostly level playing field.
Just like with the education lottery, it’s a legislative shell game. Promise one thing and then change it to support a political view. The problem I have with charters is not the charters themselves. It’s with the legislature. And it has zero to do with athletics for me.
The comments I made on requirements for charter schools are true. I’m happy to see that some charters provide those things, but there is no requirement to do so. I’m also happy to see charters excel. I just wish the legislature would follow through on its stated plan to require charter schools to share their curriculum, innovation and programs with traditional schools and give school systems the latitude to incorporate those things. That was the selling point for charters years ago. If it works for charters, let traditional schools do the same. Then measure success on a mostly level playing field.
Just like with the education lottery, it’s a legislative shell game. Promise one thing and then change it to support a political view. The problem I have with charters is not the charters themselves. It’s with the legislature. And it has zero to do with athletics for me.