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If he did get a better opportunity, I could not blame him but we need to name Scott Stricklin quickly if that happens. Don't think for a minute that Templeton and his cronies would not try to get him back in there. I know it sounds crazy but he still thinks he should be AD.
Byrne said something like "you may have heard the rumors about the Arizona job"... and then he said that he wasn't interested in leaving. In fact, I think he may have even said that he didn't want to go to Arizona.
This was after he had talked about building up the money to retain coaches, etc. An audience member asked what we had to do to keep Byrne himself.
The guy is impressive to be so young. He's a crackerjack. I hope we can hold on to him for a long time.</p>
This was after he had talked about building up the money to retain coaches, etc. An audience member asked what we had to do to keep Byrne himself.
The guy is impressive to be so young. He's a crackerjack. I hope we can hold on to him for a long time.</p>
graduate of Hattiesburg High School in 1988
graduate of Mississippi State in 1992
got his Masters in Sports Management from Georgia
currently is Associate AthleticDirectorat Washington State
I'm not saying he is qualified, but he is a current Associate AD in a BCS conference. He has ties to MSU.
Just a thought.
Edited to say that I am a Byrne supporter all the way.Hope he stays 20 years. I was throwing Wicker in as a candidate without doing much research. He maybe under-qualified. MississippiHeavyMetal has a link to his bio.
graduate of Mississippi State in 1992
got his Masters in Sports Management from Georgia
currently is Associate AthleticDirectorat Washington State
I'm not saying he is qualified, but he is a current Associate AD in a BCS conference. He has ties to MSU.
Just a thought.
Edited to say that I am a Byrne supporter all the way.Hope he stays 20 years. I was throwing Wicker in as a candidate without doing much research. He maybe under-qualified. MississippiHeavyMetal has a link to his bio.
He's a fraternity brother and always had his head on straight. It's been a while since I've seen him, but I'm sure he would do a great job.
There is large sector of the public that wants nothing to do with living in a desert.
Whether GB is here a long time or not, I'd like him to say long enough to have really left his mark. Sure he has hired two really good coaches. Sure he has a basketball practice facility rolling and talk of DWS expansion. Sure he has energized the whole program. But really....I think he's just getting stated.
Whether GB is here a long time or not, I'd like him to say long enough to have really left his mark. Sure he has hired two really good coaches. Sure he has a basketball practice facility rolling and talk of DWS expansion. Sure he has energized the whole program. But really....I think he's just getting stated.
The guy may be sharp, but from his job title, he's a facilities manager. One day, he could well be an AD, but he needs to be exposed to other parts of running an Athletic Department first (i.e. marketing, fund-raising, PR, HR with coaches).
I disagree. He has a contract, he signed the contract, and why should we bump him for doing what he's paid to do?saltybulldog said:
There's a time and place for contract negotiations, and they aren't after the first year or two of said contract. That kind of thinking gets you a Croomian bargain.
So did you disagree with Byrne extending Mullen's contract this year, and giving him a small raise? The smart ting to do is give Byrne a raise and lock him up. He has done more than enough over the past couple of years to warrant a pay raisebullysleftnut said:
I think Wicker could be a viable candidate.
Pros:
(1) has ties to Mississippi and isMSU graduate
(2) is very close friends with John Rush (MSU director of Major Gifts) who might be in Keenum's ear
(3) he has experience at a BCS school
(4) he is frat brothers with me and DentalDawg (this is a real plus)
Cons:
(1) while strong in facilities, is inexperienced in coaching hires, etc.
(2) hasn't worked at MSU (Stricklin has)
(3) too young? Byrne is young, but was experienced beyond his years.
Pros:
(1) has ties to Mississippi and isMSU graduate
(2) is very close friends with John Rush (MSU director of Major Gifts) who might be in Keenum's ear
(3) he has experience at a BCS school
(4) he is frat brothers with me and DentalDawg (this is a real plus)
Cons:
(1) while strong in facilities, is inexperienced in coaching hires, etc.
(2) hasn't worked at MSU (Stricklin has)
(3) too young? Byrne is young, but was experienced beyond his years.
He's got experience, and he's really not what I would consider old. He did a pretty good job at BSC until the new president came in and killed the entire athletics department. I certainly think he'd be a better option than Stricklin or Wicker, should Byrne leave in the near future. Now if Byrne sticks around 5-10 more years, that's a different story.
Raise to Mullen - yes, I disagreed with it. I like Mullen a lot and I think he's a good hire. But one losing season does not deserve a raise.
Ditto for Byrne -- he's been great for MSU but he's under contract for a reason. He's expected to do his job and do it well. The reward for that is a better contract next time around, and he will fully deserve it at that time.
I just think it's dumb to have a contract for a salary if you're going to rewrite the damn thing every time someone sneezes. Personal peeve and probably not applicable here -- I know that's how the game is played, I just don't like it.
It's what we did for Croom -- we had one winning season and all of a sudden it seems like we signed him to some kind of lifetime deal for shitloads of money. One year later we're left holding the bag while he's coaching running backs in St. Louis. I don't want to get burned that way again. If Mullen pans out, then give him a nice fat raise and some more incentive clauses when his contract is close to expiring. For a coach, that time would be coming out of year 3 of a 4 year deal, not going into year 2. Do the same for Byrne. Reward him when his contract is due to be re-upped, not before.
If another school comes calling for either one of them, figure out if you can match what they're offering (or even if you want to), then worry about it at that time.
Or we could just show both of them now that we want them here for awhile instead of waiting until they actually have offers from other schools. I have no problem with these guys getting raises and extensions as long as they deserve itbullysleftnut said:
the president obviously didn't help Joe Dean, but he has done a few things to make me question his ability to handle being an athletic director here.
Sure, if they deserve it. Again, what has Mullen done to deserve a rewrite of his contract? Did we go to a bowl game? Did we have a winning season? No. We beat Ole Miss. That's pretty much it.
What has Byrne done, other than what he's paid to do?
I just hate to get caught in this cycle of some reporter saying "Oh, random school might want to check out Mullen/Byrne for open spot" and then we hit the panic button.
He managed to get BSC to Division I status and was raising money like crazy. Whatever else you say, that's impressive. I think he could handle the job here, given the opportunity. Seriously, what did he do that makes you think he can't handle our job, other than be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
1.Mullen didn't get a raise for a losing season. He got a raise for beating all the teams he had more talent than and beating one team he had less talent than. Get done with the LT's schedulingand Croom's recruiting, and that gets you going bowling consistently.bullysleftnut said:
2.You're not rewriting the contract. You're negotiating a new contract. Typically, the coach gets a raise in exchange for agreeing to an extension. If the coach balks at an extension, you know that more money won't make a difference.
3. What we did with Crooms was negotiate with a lazy fat *** that had done a ****** job, givinghim a raise and an extension in exchange for him continuing to be a lazy fat *** that does a ****** job. Generally, if you're paying a lazy fat *** that does a ****** job,you want to push for ashorter term and less money, but you usually have to trade one for the other. Giving Crooms more money and a longer term was apparently really poor negotiation strategy. I go to sleep at night telling myself that it wasn't the ninja that did it; it was LT's last FU tocap a career full of FU's that he gave to MSU.
4.Unfortunately, if you're a MSU, UM, UK, etc.,it's dangerous to wait until another school is calling to offer. You need good will and hopefully a long term contract with a decent buyout to keep a good coach, unless you just get lucky. You can't do more with less without taking some risk.
A coach's contract is different. You almost have to at least extend them in this statedue to the 4 year contract term limit. If you don't, it sends a message that the coach doesn't have the commitment of the administration and other coaches will use it against them in recruiting.
That said, I'm all for locking up Byrne. But it's apples and oranges to compare his contract status with Mullen.
Larry Templeton is the one that signed Croom to a stupidly large and expensive extension less than one year before Croom 'resigned'.
Yeah, that was brilliant thinking -- and it's the same **** people can't seem to wait to do with our AD and Football coach.
Yeah, that was brilliant thinking -- and it's the same **** people can't seem to wait to do with our AD and Football coach.
Also, I believe that Stricklin would be a great AD. I did hear a story about how Scott grew up as an Ole Miss fan. Once, he was visiting campus while in high school and skipped our game to stay at his buddies dorm room and watch the Mississippi game on TV. I know... who gives a 17, but I did think that was interesting.</p>
Everything had been put in place and agreed to before Byrne had taken the reins. His hands were tied in terms of killing it, even if it technically was signed on his watch.