byrne on getting the big boys
- Thread starter KurtRambis4
- Start date
- Status
if no one sees a problem with our scheduling? Like most of us have said before, 6 out of 8 years, Stansbury has gone to the tournament. Who gives a **** about the schedule?
You want to play UNC-like teams to improve recruiting when you know damn well recruiting has never been Stans problem. If not for some NBA-jumpers I have no doubt that State would have been in contention for multiple SEC titles in the last several years with the possibility of making major noise in the postseason. Now we have a situation where the state is about to produce a depth of talent never seen before. Stay the course and, if history means anything, you are looking at a major talent infusion. But no. You want to play UNC in Chapel Hill with the real possibility of losing by 20 or more. You would love that, but it wouldn't advance your team's cause an inch.
....RPI is a much bigger deal now. Back in those days, the goal was to win 20. Not the same anymore. That's the whole point.
..can mean the difference between an 8 or a 9 and a 5 or a 6. In other words, whether or not we advance.
If we lose some of those, we might not make the tournament at all. Losing still counts for something.
I think the bigger problem is that we aren't winning all of our non-conference patsy games, not that we aren't scheduling harder teams. If we had scheduled lighter in 2007-2008, and won 3 more games against patsies instead of 3 losses against somewhat decent teams, we'd have been a 5-6 seed and would have missed Memphis. If in 2006 instead of Winthrop, Missouri, and Clemson we had played 3 patsies and won, we would have been 21-10 on Selection Sunday instead of 18-13, and maybe we would have gotten into the tourney.
<table id="schedule-table"> <tbody> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Sat Nov 22</td> <td><font class="r">(263)</font> Tennessee Martin</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #97feb0">W, 90-74</td> <td class="pace">79</td> <td> </td> <td>Home</td> <td>1-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Wed Nov 26</td> <td><font class="r">(196)</font> South Alabama</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #94fead">W, 71-62</td> <td class="pace">63</td> <td> </td> <td>Home</td> <td>2-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Sat Nov 29</td> <td><font class="r">(120)</font> Western Kentucky</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #78fe8d">W, 81-75</td> <td class="pace">69</td> <td> </td> <td>Away</td> <td>3-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Mon Dec 1</td> <td><font class="r">(245)</font> McNeese St.</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #96feaf">W, 92-69</td> <td class="pace">80</td> <td> </td> <td>Home</td> <td>4-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Wed Dec 3</td> <td><font class="r">(281)</font> Louisiana Monroe</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #97feb1">W, 76-52</td> <td class="pace">75</td> <td> </td> <td>Home</td> <td>5-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Sat Dec 6</td> <td><font class="r">(43)</font> Alabama Birmingham</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #72fe85">W, 86-84</td> <td class="pace">77</td> <td> </td> <td>Home</td> <td>6-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Sat Dec 13</td> <td><font class="r">(20)</font> Xavier</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #58fe67">W, 82-70</td> <td class="pace">72</td> <td> </td> <td>Home</td> <td>7-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Tue Dec 16</td> <td><font class="r">(170)</font> New Orleans</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #91fea9">W, 77-59</td> <td class="pace">74</td> <td> </td> <td>Semi-Home</td> <td>8-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Sat Dec 20</td> <td><font class="r">(141)</font> Santa Clara</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7ffe94">W, 66-61</td> <td class="pace">75</td> <td>OT</td> <td>Away</td> <td>9-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Sat Dec 27</td> <td><font class="r">(197)</font> Tulane</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #8afea2">W, 72-50</td> <td class="pace">67</td> <td> </td> <td>Away</td> <td>10-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> <tr style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #99ffb2"> <td>Sat Jan 3</td> <td><font class="r">(143)</font> Arkansas Little Rock</td> <td style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #7ffe94">W, 68-58</td> <td class="pace">61</td> <td> </td> <td>Away</td> <td>11-0</td> <td class="c"> </td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
Two teams above 120, both made the tourney. But who cares, we were un-freaking-defeated in non-conference, and then we only lost 3 times before the NCAA tournament. All that matters is winning.
Two teams above 120, both made the tourney. But who cares, we were un-freaking-defeated in non-conference, and then we only lost 3 times before the NCAA tournament. All that matters is winning.
Right now is not the time.
Win the West next year without a loss to UNC and you are better positioned than doing the same with a loss to UNC. A loss to a national power simply doesn't move you from a nine seed to a six. It's just another loss to a Top 50 team for the committee to consider.
But when you have the talent to truly compete nationally, which you will have in the near future if Stans grabs the in-state recruits like he has in the past, then a trip to Chapel Hill might make sense.
"Patience Grasshopper."
Win the West next year without a loss to UNC and you are better positioned than doing the same with a loss to UNC. A loss to a national power simply doesn't move you from a nine seed to a six. It's just another loss to a Top 50 team for the committee to consider.
But when you have the talent to truly compete nationally, which you will have in the near future if Stans grabs the in-state recruits like he has in the past, then a trip to Chapel Hill might make sense.
"Patience Grasshopper."
If there was ever any doubt about where your priorities lie, the fact that you think losing more games in a season is a solution to our lack of tournament success should show your priorities when it comes to basketball. You keep asking for a solution (to something many don't seem to have a problem with), well here it is......
WIN MORE GAMES.
We do that, RPI will go up, seeding will go up, and our chance at advancing to the magical sweet 16 will go up. Making the schedule harder and most likely adding loses won't do that.
WIN MORE GAMES.
We do that, RPI will go up, seeding will go up, and our chance at advancing to the magical sweet 16 will go up. Making the schedule harder and most likely adding loses won't do that.
"You want to play UNC-like teams to improve recruiting when you know damn well recruiting has never been Stans problem"
Recruiting is getting players in uniform. And as I said earlier, since we are 51-82 against top 50 teams, either our talent is lacking, or our coach can't handle playing top 50 teams. In 11 years we havent made it to a Sweet 16, its time to try a new path
Recruiting is getting players in uniform. And as I said earlier, since we are 51-82 against top 50 teams, either our talent is lacking, or our coach can't handle playing top 50 teams. In 11 years we havent made it to a Sweet 16, its time to try a new path
We're just using your logic, since you constantly remind us that Stans can't beat the top teams. So which is it - Stans can't beat the top teams or if we schedule them we could possibly win them? You can't have it both ways. And if we're playing the Duke's, Carolina's, UCLA's, and Michigan State's of the world, then yes I'm gonna equate that to most likely a loss. I think as highly of our basketball program as anyone, but I'm not dumb enough to think we can consistently compete with those guys, so yes, most likely those games would end up with an "L." And again, I stand by the fact that winning regardless of opponent means more than losing to a high profile team.
Your statement is: "Recruiting is getting players in uniform."
Hell, I know that. That is why I said the new rule will benefit Stans. Do you know the new rule? Surely you do. Had the new rule been in effect earlier your *** would be elsewhere on some other board arguing something just as incoherent.
Even I get it. You don't like Stansbury.
He has demonstrated an ability to sign the best talent in the state. The best talent in eons is about to become available. They will have to be "in uniform" for at least one year. Staying the course is your best route to getting them to Starkville. But you don't seem to want that.
The vast majority of the posters here are very insightful. Unlike them, it appears to me that you are simply a megalomaniac. You want to be proved right even when it means that your school will suffer in return.
Hell, I know that. That is why I said the new rule will benefit Stans. Do you know the new rule? Surely you do. Had the new rule been in effect earlier your *** would be elsewhere on some other board arguing something just as incoherent.
Even I get it. You don't like Stansbury.
He has demonstrated an ability to sign the best talent in the state. The best talent in eons is about to become available. They will have to be "in uniform" for at least one year. Staying the course is your best route to getting them to Starkville. But you don't seem to want that.
The vast majority of the posters here are very insightful. Unlike them, it appears to me that you are simply a megalomaniac. You want to be proved right even when it means that your school will suffer in return.
You need therapy. Really. Either change your tune or get rid of your sig. You are sending conflicted messages and don't realize it.
Now is the time that you can come back and say you really didn't mean one of the two: either your posts or your sig. But that would show you to be the douche that you are. Good luck.
Now is the time that you can come back and say you really didn't mean one of the two: either your posts or your sig. But that would show you to be the douche that you are. Good luck.
we are demanding all these home games with name teams yet we don't give southern the time of day in football.
We are Southern to these other schools.
Byrne nor any of us view ourselves as "poor ol us", but that doesn't get us home games. Other schools view us as "poor ol us" and their view is all that matters.
We are Southern to these other schools.
Byrne nor any of us view ourselves as "poor ol us", but that doesn't get us home games. Other schools view us as "poor ol us" and their view is all that matters.
we aren't going to schedule unless we can get a home and home so it's a <span style="font-style: italic;">mute</span> point anyway.
Home and Homes are how our athletic dept MAKES MONEY. Thats why its completely ignorant to talk about having anything other than home and homes when you are in the SEC.
FYI schedules in football are made out so far in advance you can hardly ever schedule year to year whenever someone else is going to be good/bad/indifferent. I would imagine its probably the same way for the Big Boys in basketball, UNC, Duke, Kansas, et. al...
FYI schedules in football are made out so far in advance you can hardly ever schedule year to year whenever someone else is going to be good/bad/indifferent. I would imagine its probably the same way for the Big Boys in basketball, UNC, Duke, Kansas, et. al...
...obviously there is a point somewhere where it is better to beat a patsy than to lose to an average team. I don't know what the dividing line is. I am pretty sure losing to North Carolina is better for you than beating Valley. However, losing to a down Miami team is probably not. We just need to schedule smarter.
Again, what's so wrong with playing UNC in Chapel Hill and playing the return game at the FedEx Forum? That would benefit both schools, and we would have the home crowd.
Again, what's so wrong with playing UNC in Chapel Hill and playing the return game at the FedEx Forum? That would benefit both schools, and we would have the home crowd.
...is getting enough name recognition out of OOC teams to draw crowds to the Hump. Our OOC crowds have really sucked lately. For example, Western Kentucky is a decent RPI team, but doesn't have much crowd appeal. "Name" teams like UCLA, Kansas, UNC and such are just not going to travel into the Hump for obvious reasons. It would be nice to get Indiana while they are down. I think we should schedule more teams from the Big Ten, Atlantic 10, and Big East. I'd like us to take an annual trip to NYC or Chicago, with home and home games against St. John's and Depaul. I'd like to see us hit St. Louis with a home and home against St. Louis University. Why not the San Francisco Don's?
I would have loved to see us play San Francisco in Jarvis's senior year, with Bill Russell being here.
I would have loved to see us play San Francisco in Jarvis's senior year, with Bill Russell being here.
You get a better seed. How do you get a better seed? You improve your RPI. How do you improve your RPI? You win games against better teams and cut out the losses against bad teams. I don't see why this is so hard.
You are so freaking dense. If we had played the same exact schedule last year, but won a couple of OOC games that we lost, we'd have had a better seed. It wouldn't have mattered one bit who we played.
- Status