BYU -1 @ The Bears.....

AlCoDog

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You attend the Pete Boone Hernando Chamber of Commerce speech and buy that crap? Even worse, using the excuse of the passing of player. State lost a player last year, and we didn't fold up shop or start using that as an excuse when things didn't go well. Pretty damn ****** if you ask me.
 

Todd4State

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players death I'm sorry. Especially since I've seen Ole Miss rally around Chucky Mullins injury when it happened, and since we had one of our own players die last year in Nick Bell. And we had a winning season after Keefer died.

The other stuff about lack of leadership and chemistry- OK, I can get that.
 

TnRebel.sixpack

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Nix thought our players would be able to cover more of the field than they really were, so we've changed it up this year. I'm not sure if it'll work or not, but at least we're changing things.
 

Coach34

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on our board and telling me I have to make a bet to back up what I'm saying.

I've said what I think- MISSISSIPPI'S DEFENSE IS GOING TO BE ******

now if they somehow do better, then come back and pull up my quotes and rub my face in it- other than that, stfu
 

formerpolkie

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kick the Bears *** this year (translated to mean that we will win the game by at least one point). You're so damn determined to defend the honor of your team, take my bet our shut the hell up. On an unrelated note, I still think 1/6th was a dick last night.
 

missouridawg

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at home against a non-BCS school?

I can't seem to recall it... and for the record, we were favored to beat UofH in '09 when we lost to them.
 

RougeDawg

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You say you are losing a lot of players who played on defense last year and that happens to be the worst Defense in UM history. Am I getting the entire point from your commment?

Apparently last season, those defensive players were the best available players on the roster to play defense. Had the underclassmen been worth a 17, they would have been starting and playing. Thus, by losing most of the better defensive players from a ****** 2010 defense and replacing them by players who weren't good enough last year to even play on a ****** defense, equals a shittier defense this year. I mean it's really simple math. Kinda like 1+1=2.

These are simple facts. Unless yall have singed a few NFL free agents since the lockout ended, I do not see any way possible this defense can improve. It will be lucky to be as good (or bad) as last years D. Maybe there will be slight improvement in a few stat areas, but as a whole, the talent level isn't close to last years defense.

C34 has been touching up on his math skills lately and is on point with his assessments.
 
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I believe that was one of the worst officiated games I've ever seen. Remember they called illegal forward pass on a legit pass that put us at 1st down inside their 10. Ball over on downs. They allowed Houston to hold the entire. 50+ pass attempts with no holding, even when it was obvious and in the open. They took a TD off the board for us on a highly questionable call. Total BS.
 

patdog

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whereisomaha said:
You don't even know who our DT's are.
There's a decent chance you could be starting 2 true freshmens who haven't even played against decent HS competition more than a dozen times in their HS career. Your DTs will be terrible.
 

msugolf

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I guess everyone else in the world fails to see the logic of how "replacing ****** starters with ****** backups makes your defense better".
 
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patdog said:
whereisomaha said:
You don't even know who our DT's are.
There's a dec
ent chance you could be starting 2 true freshmens who haven't even played against decent HS competition more than a dozen times in their HS career. Your DTs will be terrible.

We signed one DT last year, who was told from the get go ge will RS. Once again y'all have no idea about who is on our D.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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i think a lot of you don't realize how good byu is. yeah their overall record was mediocre last year, but they started slow and then finished very very hot. and byu is a solid program. i'd take byu -1 over ole miss all day.
 

EAVdog

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And he now has a year of experience under his belt. Plus they have veteran 6-4 and 6-3 wide receivers. And by the way they have an All American starting LT who is projected as a first rounder.

BYU will be a very good team this year. Losing to them is not going to be like losing to Jxn'ville State.
 

dawgs.sixpack

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Oct 22, 2010
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exactly. one of the best non-BCS programs v. what i expect to be one of the worst BCS programs in 2011.
 

HighLifeRebel

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You said that OM's defense would be worst than it was last year. When asked to back up your opinion with a bet, you crawfished. You're reasoning for crawfishing was that the stat set forth for the bet was not an accurate indicator of how bad the defense would be.<div>
</div><div>I figured that was a ******** response and that you just didn't want to commit yourself to a particular position. I've seen you do that several times on here, make a broad statement of opinion, turn out to be wrong, then try and wiggle your way out of it by arguing that from your subjective viewpoint, you weren't wrong. So, I asked you to pick the stat which would determine, objectively, how bad the defense would have been. It could have been any statistic, but it would have required you to take a position on an objective matter for which you could, possibly, be wrong. Further, you would have no way of wiggling out of it.</div><div>
</div><div>Instead of picking the stat and subjecting yourself to the potential of losing the bet, you responded in true SixPack 2.0 style by insulting my mother. It appears that I figured correctly.</div><div>
</div><div>Also, no one is making you bet on anything. Hell, I doubt I would bet with you regardless of the stat you chose. I just wanted to see if you'd pick a stat.</div>
 

fishwater99

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TnRebel said:
Nix thought our players would be able to cover more of the field than they really were, <span style="font-weight: bold;">so we've changed it up this year. I'm not sure if it'll work or not, but at least we're changing things.</span>
Because he will be a Changing jobs after this year, and he better Hope he can find another one as a position coach back at USM...
 

RebelBruiser

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Since you seem to have a good grasp of what's going to happen based on personnel changes, how do you feel about MSU 2012?

If I'm reading your depth chart right, you lose Relf, Ballard, Carmon, Saulsberry, Lawrence, and Green just among offensive starters, assuming you don't have anyone else jump early to the pros. Outside of maybe Bumphis, I don't know that I see that from any juniors, and I think he stays. You also lose Maye, Mitchell, and Ferguson on defense. You lose Elliott, Bonner, Bure, and Wilson as other depth contributors.

Is it going to be plug the next one in and keep chugging along, or will you take a step back to rebuild for a year or two?

By the way, I don't know what to expect from our defense this year, but I'm pretty confident it won't be worse. Our problems last year were not just personnel issues. Being too slow and/or banged up was a part of it, but a big part of it was poor coaching and also poor conditioning. I expect the addition of Burns to help with the coaching side of things, and I believe we will be better conditioned as well. I'm not expecting world beaters on defense, but I think we can and will be better than embarassing. That's setting a low bar, but our defense last year never gave us a chance to win games. I expect our defense to at least give our offense a chance this year on occasion, which is better than what we did last year. LB is by far my biggest concern on the unit though. Losing Shackelford to an ACL and Jackson to a discipline issue turned a fairly solid group into a group that's going to need a freshman or two to step up to give us any depth.
 

patdog

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We're going to be replacing those players with experienced backups, and in some cases co-starters. You're replacing many of yours with freshmen.

We're only losing 11 total off the 2-deep depth chart. We do have some key losses, but overall, we return more than most teams will.

I know OUR coaches.
 

RebelBruiser

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Aug 21, 2007
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So, after only 2 years as a head coach, never having developed their own crop of talent from the ground up, you know YOUR coaches?

Just saying, I think you may be making some big presumptions there. College football is fickle. I think Urban Meyer is a great coach, one of the better ones in the country, and even he couldn't survive losing a ton of talent without taking a significant step back to 5 losses last year, after only 2 losses the previous two seasons combined.

Maybe Mullen is the next Saban and he's creating a machine where the only steps back you'll ever take will be minor ones after losing a lot of key players, but I think it's a mighty big presumption at this point, only two seasons in, to think that you won't have to rebuild.
 

thunderclap

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after two days in shorts, the Rebel defense is obviously better, guys flying all over the place, Nick Brassel starring on offense and defense, so fast you can't even tell which side he's on. JUCO dbs like blankets. So, so much better already.
 
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So, after only 2 years as a head coach, never having developed their own crop of talent from the ground up, you know YOUR coaches?

the coaches we have developed that talent in the first place. There is plenty of evidence that Croom had no ability to develop what little talent he brought into the program. In year one, our current coaches had us on the cusp of a bowl game with the tiny turnover machine playing QB. In two years, they have transformed a 2* who was more likely to hit a toilet than a receiver with a pass into a dependable QB who is being mentioned as being at least in the top 3 or 4 QBs in the league this season.

So, it is quite obvious that we know our coaches have the ability to develop talent.

Just saying, I think you may be making some big presumptions there. College football is fickle. I think Urban Meyer is a great coach, one of the better ones in the country, and even he couldn't survive losing a ton of talent without taking a significant step back to 5 losses last year, after only 2 losses the previous two seasons combined.

By the way, he lost more than just players off those teams you mentioned. See if you can figure out the other key component.
 

patdog

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May 28, 2007
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He should have just stayed retired the first time. And yes, I do know Dan Mullen. He's a very good offensive coach. He's had good offenses everywhere he's been, and his track record is a lot longer than 2 years. He was one of the 3 people (Meyer and the OC when they were at Utah) who designed Meyer's offense. Maybe it's just a coincidence that Florida's offense suddenly got worse after Mullen left.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
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Seriously, I was discussing the hype coming from Oxford with a huge Bear co-worker. He thinks Nutt's selling the hype over the freshmen so he'll have something positive to point to when they suck this fall. I think he's right.
 

idog

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tcreb said:
We do lose a lot of players from last year. Those players happened to play on the worst defense in Ole Miss history. I said the worst defense in Ole Miss history. If actual on the field performance matters, that would mean they sucked. Replacing a lot of that group should be a good thing. What we are hoping for is addition by subtraction. When you subtract (get rid of certain players) by a negative number (players that performed poorly) you actually end up adding a number (you improve). At least that is what we are thinking will be the case.
because having freshmen or your second team players from last year (who weren't good enough to be first team on your worst defense ever) will obviously be an improvement.