C Spire Fiber
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They had to put in a small town as a token finalist so that it would appear that all cities that applied were considered regardless of size.
I'm assuming this is going to be fiddle fiber hardwired into every home similar to Verizon FiOS...
It's a great service -- but also a total nightmare for installation contractors. It's going to have to go in the ground DEEP on private property(I'm guessing 18-24" minumums) around phone, water, sewer, and gas lines that in many cases are very old and brittle already. Can't imagine the amount of private water and sewer lines that are going to be cut in the launch, unless they've got a totally open checkbook and do private boring, which I doubt...
That said, the internet speeds obtainable should be totally asinine...
It's a great service -- but also a total nightmare for installation contractors. It's going to have to go in the ground DEEP on private property(I'm guessing 18-24" minumums) around phone, water, sewer, and gas lines that in many cases are very old and brittle already. Can't imagine the amount of private water and sewer lines that are going to be cut in the launch, unless they've got a totally open checkbook and do private boring, which I doubt...
That said, the internet speeds obtainable should be totally asinine...
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I have comcast too. It seems our new mayor and staff in Tupelo was arguing over neighborhood revitalization to actively pursue this as hard as Corinth.
I wondererd why I got called by Comcast offering me a faster speed for less money. Looks like this is the answer. Gotta love competition. Only have internet. It's gonna take a great package to get me away from Direct for TV.
Know a guy that works for cspire. He said its most likely going to be Starkville because they are about to build a huge data center there
Starkville makes the most sense because they are building the data center and will have direct access to C Spire’s ring-protected fiber network which will be managed 24 hours, 7 days a week and 365 days a year.
This so called contest smells like marketing fluff to me and I'm pissed they didn't pick my town.
This so called contest smells like marketing fluff to me and I'm pissed they didn't pick my town.
It's pretty big. That is almost entirely raised floor. The dirty little secret in the Starkville datacenter is that it really doesn't employ very many people, less than 10. It's still a great deal, just not a big job creator. I've also heard a theory that Starkville will NOT get the fiber first, precisely BECAUSE it just got the datacenter and CSpire might want to spread the love.
As I said, big, but not huge. Apple built a DC in North Carolina and
got all sorts of tax breaks for "job creation" and other ****. Turns out I think it cost $1billion to build and employs about 40 people. NC got royally screwed. Never believe any politician when talking about how many jobs are created, they counted temporary construction jobs which lasted all of 18 months.
I think the Starkville DC will cost about $20 million. I assume it's 1GB aggregate, and not guaranteed to each house, but who cares. Anything faster than 50BMps is overkill for 99.99% of people. You would encounter latency upstream. You may get a gig, but no one is sending it that fast, at least not many places. I can get 85MBps at home, but I went with the 30 package, and it's fast enough, and I do a lot of internetting.
I just know my company has a 75k sqft of raised floor in Dallas, and 100K in Chicago (though not all is built out yet). Our smallest DC in the US is about 30k. The big thing is I hope they have more providers than CSPire brining data in. We typically have about 10 providers coming in and out of every DC for both throughput and redundancy.
/this is one area I actually know about
//anyone need a cloud?
got all sorts of tax breaks for "job creation" and other ****. Turns out I think it cost $1billion to build and employs about 40 people. NC got royally screwed. Never believe any politician when talking about how many jobs are created, they counted temporary construction jobs which lasted all of 18 months.
I think the Starkville DC will cost about $20 million. I assume it's 1GB aggregate, and not guaranteed to each house, but who cares. Anything faster than 50BMps is overkill for 99.99% of people. You would encounter latency upstream. You may get a gig, but no one is sending it that fast, at least not many places. I can get 85MBps at home, but I went with the 30 package, and it's fast enough, and I do a lot of internetting.
I just know my company has a 75k sqft of raised floor in Dallas, and 100K in Chicago (though not all is built out yet). Our smallest DC in the US is about 30k. The big thing is I hope they have more providers than CSPire brining data in. We typically have about 10 providers coming in and out of every DC for both throughput and redundancy.
/this is one area I actually know about
//anyone need a cloud?
C-Spire just ran a fiber cable across my front yard with no ditching.....a guy placed a device on the ground which sends a signal into the ground to guide the tunneling unit and that unit is pulling the cable as it goes...all of that is done between 6 and 8 feet below surface so no danger to any existing lines across my yard....about every 100 yards someone's yard does get a square hole dug so that the next section of cable can be attached for the process to continue...that's how I know the depth of the tunnel. Back in the day, every yard would have had a big ditch dug across it..
That's what I referred to a boring in my post -- or more precisely, directional boring. I oversaw U-Verse implementation in several south MS counties for awhile, so I'm familiar with the process...
In general, the device you see sitting on top of the ground isn't a guide, but an orientation reader which transmits back to the operator on the boring rig wirelessly allowing him to "drive" the machine accurately. It gives angle of the rod(+- degrees altitude), depth, and head orientation(this is how it "steers" different directions). In general, the box man has to dot the ground directly above the head sonne in order to determine left/right and physically advise the operator on where to point it. Common minimum depth for a trunk line fiber(especially one that is bored) is 48" or greater. In general, it's 6-8ft deep when bored -- and 4ft when plowed. The average boring maching for these jobs carry 400 ft of pipe. That's why it's "dug up" every so far. In general, they "pull back" orange pipe -- and adjoin them at full depth, thus allowing the fiber to run unbroken for long distances underground(1500 feet between "hand holes" is common).
What CSpire is talking about doing here is infinitely more complex than a mainline fiber installation like happened across your yard, which generally happens along county/state right-of-way. What cspire is actually doing, I've only been involved with doing once -- in Beau Pre in Natchez. It's a total nightmare for an installation contractor. What they are talking about doing is bringing a 1 pair fiber optic "phone line" to every house(or AT LEAST to every terminal) identical to existing phone lines. The difference is, any average joe can splice a "cut" 2 pair copper phone service back together and be hunky dory -- and ATT routinely only buries them 2-4" deep because it's such an easy fix. Fiber is a WHOLE different game. A "cut" fiber requires enough "slack" to get it inside their clean room trailers in order to splice(it's a process that's basically equivalent to glass or plastic welding). So, in other words, if your sprinkler people cut your fiddle fiber to your house, you are looking at them having to bring out their splice trailer, bring out a track hoe, dig up your yard 25-30 ft(AT LEAST) in both directions in order to gain enough "slack" to splice in a new section inside the trailer. Then, they've got to bury that excess 50-60 ft in the trenches that have already been made, keeping in mind that fiber is basically thin glass -- and can't be "bent" sharply. In other words, it's a nightmare scenario that neither you, nor the company, want to face. For that reason, they bury that stuff DEEP on your private property. Deep enough that you never hit it with normal digging activity. I think min depth in Beau Pre was 24" on private and 48" on ROW. I'd imagine CSpire would employ similar minimum standards.
Market value for a contractor of C-Spire's size is $2-3/ft for plowing and $5-8/ft for boring. Hence why they are probably going to do as much plowing as humanly possible, particularly on private property. A plow at 2 ft from your house to a main line = a total nightmare for the installer. You get deeper 4-6" on private, you run into a ton of problems...
Depends on what you want to do with it. If it's just going to sit there, Amazon's glacier storage is $0.01/GB. However it's expensive to pull it back down. If you need CDN, Rackspace Cloud Files comes with Akamai and keeps three copies of all data. But if you need performance you'll need to look at other options. Really depends on how you plan on using the data.