I can't sit here and continue to listen to your asinine ********. I don't post much, I used to post under daledog and then with the new format I had to change it. You make occasionally good points (I agreed with you 100% when a lot of people were turning on Cohen over the last 3 seasons) but your talk about Stansbury has got to stop. You are trying to save face because you looked like a 17ing idiot with the new hire (you constantly saying that we could hire a big name, up and coming coach and promising we could do better) and then we have the worst season in my lifetime (I'm 30). I posted numerous times that we need to be happy with what we have because we couldn't do better than Stans long term. I promised you that we wouldn't hire a big time coach, I promised you that we would do a lot worse. It's pathetic that you continually blame Stans and Strick about our poor hire (which you did at the beginning), almost as pathetic as spending half your life on a message board. Stans and Strick are not the reason for the less than attractive hire.....there are many, many other reasons (I am not going to list them but you can search for my points in my previous post). We have been at the top of the SEC over the last decade (for the most part) and all you do is continually ***** about Stans and blame him for our current situation (because you don't want to admit that you were dead wrong about our "basketball tradition" and attractiveness of the MSU job and how we wouldn't have a problem finding a coach to coach us back to upper echelon of basketball where we supposedly belong). Please, please, please, for the love of God please stop it with the Stans talk and at least thank him for fielding a basketball team, that year in and year out, was always competitive and sometimes great.
C34's continuous nonsense
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your argument should have gone something like this:
1. Outside of Stansbury's recruiting under Williams and his head coaching, you have no expectation of anything better for MSU in basketball unless you have the ability to regenerate Babe McCarthy and find another year of eligibility for Baily Howell.
2. Therefore, until we have the option to get better, no move should be made.
Where your argment fails presently and where it would fail if you made the one I gave you:
1. Being happy with what you have is the recipe of never getting to the final four, or past the first round of any tournament.
2. Your promise of 'couldnt do better' has had exaclty one season as an example.
3. nonsense is posting on a message board bitching about how often someone posts on a message board
4. Our current situation has nothing to do with tradition or coach being right or wrong. It had to do with the management of Stansbury.
5. We were not always competitive under stans. We were for the most part. But what cost him his job was the lack of competitiveness while he had the players to be.
It FOREVER remains to me to the be single largest issue with MSU fans and what has kept us mediocre for so many years in most sports.
"what we got is the best we can ever hope for"
Leave people. Just 17ing leave. Southern Miss needs fans.
1. Outside of Stansbury's recruiting under Williams and his head coaching, you have no expectation of anything better for MSU in basketball unless you have the ability to regenerate Babe McCarthy and find another year of eligibility for Baily Howell.
2. Therefore, until we have the option to get better, no move should be made.
Where your argment fails presently and where it would fail if you made the one I gave you:
1. Being happy with what you have is the recipe of never getting to the final four, or past the first round of any tournament.
2. Your promise of 'couldnt do better' has had exaclty one season as an example.
3. nonsense is posting on a message board bitching about how often someone posts on a message board
4. Our current situation has nothing to do with tradition or coach being right or wrong. It had to do with the management of Stansbury.
5. We were not always competitive under stans. We were for the most part. But what cost him his job was the lack of competitiveness while he had the players to be.
It FOREVER remains to me to the be single largest issue with MSU fans and what has kept us mediocre for so many years in most sports.
"what we got is the best we can ever hope for"
Leave people. Just 17ing leave. Southern Miss needs fans.
Your argument is over my head. I'm either not smart enough to understand it or you can't communicate effectively.
Leave people. Ole Miss needs unrealistic fans.
Ok. Your problem with coach is that he goes on and on about Stansbury. Your argument is supported by the notion of "i told you so" with regard to the idea he was wrong because we should change because he was the best we could get and he should be grateful for that.
Coach is an insufferable *** about Stansbury. And your argument would have had some weight if it had attacked his for what it conveniently ignores. That coach 34 has a high expectation for our team because of the very person he says is responsible for bringing it down.
MY point is that coach34 can be right in his overall assesment but for the wrong reasons. We should have gotten rid of stansbury. But not because of the reasons coach said. He was mis managed and there wasnt much hope of him getting better.
But your point that coach's argument was invalid because of some perceived inability of this school to do better than stansbury is the exact problem with MSU fans. They are satisfied with above average performance to the point that they will never be willing to expect more.
If mullen just gets us to the chick fil a, or cohen gets us to host a regional, or Stansbury just gets us in the top 20 with an ncaa appearance. The reason why schools rise above that level is beacuse their fans expect more and invest in the school accordingly.
One of Stansbury's greatest accomplishments was somehow having people believe this. It's just not true.
You do realize you're in the minority, right? It's far from just C34 who said we shouldn't just be happy with Stans. And there have been a lot more bitching threads started by pro-Stans posters than pro-change in the past year, which I'm assuming is your time frame since you're just now making your sentiments known.
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While Stans had a good run, we only had double-digit SEC wins in 3 of his 14 seasons. That's not even close to dominant.
| Mississippi State Bulldogs (Southeastern Conference) <small>(1998–2012)</small> | |||||
| 1998–99 | Mississippi State | 20–13 | 8–8 | T–3rd <small>(West)</small> | NIT 1st Round |
| 1999–2000 | Mississippi State | 14–16 | 5–11 | T–5th <small>(West)</small> | |
| 2000–01 | Mississippi State | 18–13 | 7–9 | T–4th <small>(West)</small> | NIT Quarterfinals |
| 2001–02 | Mississippi State | 27–8 | 10–6 | 2nd <small>(West)</small> | NCAA 2nd Round |
| 2002–03 | Mississippi State | 21–10 | 9–7 | 1st <small>(West)</small> | NCAA 1st Round |
| 2003–04 | Mississippi State | 26–4 | 14–2 | 1st <small>(West)</small> | NCAA 2nd Round |
| 2004–05 | Mississippi State | 23–11 | 9–7 | 3rd <small>(West)</small> | NCAA 2nd Round |
| 2005–06 | Mississippi State | 15–15 | 5–11 | 5th <small>(West)</small> | |
| 2006–07 | Mississippi State | 21–14 | 8–8 | T–1st <small>(West)</small> | NIT Final Four |
| 2007–08 | Mississippi State | 23–11 | 12–4 | 1st <small>(West)</small> | NCAA 2nd Round |
| 2008–09 | Mississippi State | 23–13 | 9–7 | 3rd <small>(West)</small> | NCAA 1st Round |
| 2009–10 | Mississippi State | 24–12 | 9–7 | T–1st <small>(West)</small> | NIT 2nd Round |
| 2010–11 | Mississippi State | 17–13 | 9–7 | 2nd <small>(West)</small> | |
| 2011–12 | Mississippi State | 21–12 | 8–8 | T–6th | NIT 1st Round |
| Mississippi State: | 293–165 (.641) | 122–102 (.545) | |||
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While Stans had a good run, we only had double-digit SEC wins in 3 of his 14 seasons. That's not even close to dominant.
I would also point out that we were probably the 4th or 5th most talented team in the SEC last year. Most people seem to think we under achieved with the best roster in the SEC, but that's not true.
We domintaed the SECW, which was absolutely pathetic during much of his tenure. It still is pathetic. We were the first team in SEC history to win their division but not make the NCAA tourney. We did it twice. I just wonder how many people were complaining about the cupcake football schedule are Stans defenders? It's the same concept, except Dan won all the games he was supposed to win and got us to a bowl.
What many seem to ignore is that we'd very rarely had winning records in SEC play, much less .500 records, in the thirty years preceding Stansbury. His .545 winning percentage in league play is considerably better than the program's all-time SEC winning percentage of .442. We certainly weren't dominant, but that is the standard many seem to have expected from Stansbury.
Kentucky is a given. I'd say Vandy was a tad better. Maaaaaybe Florida. But fourth at worst. While we finished tied for the 6th best record, which was bad, we were also closer to 10th than we were 2nd. It was just a disaster of a last six weeks to the season ahd his tenure.
YOU do Realize that there are a **** pot full of us that would like to say, Thanks Rick, and let's move on.
The bashing needs to end.
The bashing needs to end.
LSU has 6 guys that have played more than 100 NBA games who played during Stansbury's tenure. You say Florida is a "maaaaaaybe". In 2007, they had three guys drafted in the first nine overall, a total of 10 guys with more than 100 games and a guy that will get there in Bradley Beal. Arkansas has had 4 guys with over 100 games. Vandy had three guys drafted last year that have played 172 total games this season. MSU has 128 total games played of players coached by Stansbury from 1998-2012. http://basketball.realgm.com/ncaa/conferences/Southeastern-Conference/8/NBA_Players
That being said, the only reason these threads pop up is because Coach needs to jerk off. He needs to know that after 8 years of saying the same thing, saying we should fire Stansbury when we were winning the SEC and going to the NCAA tournament, he was finally right. I guess it's sort of similar to how Andy Kennedy might finally make the tournament, if you give somebody 8 years, anything can happen. So everybody just agree with Coach so he can pop a load into his pants and then shuffle off to bed to get ready for another long day of jerking off over a MSU message board. You guys are Coach's fluffers, you keep him hard. Congrats to you all.
That being said, the only reason these threads pop up is because Coach needs to jerk off. He needs to know that after 8 years of saying the same thing, saying we should fire Stansbury when we were winning the SEC and going to the NCAA tournament, he was finally right. I guess it's sort of similar to how Andy Kennedy might finally make the tournament, if you give somebody 8 years, anything can happen. So everybody just agree with Coach so he can pop a load into his pants and then shuffle off to bed to get ready for another long day of jerking off over a MSU message board. You guys are Coach's fluffers, you keep him hard. Congrats to you all.
Yes, I'm one of them. I didn't say anything advocating continued Stans bashing.
Thanks for weighing in Big Papi, but the comment was about last year and last year alone. I'll wait now for you to apologize for throwing out irrelevant facts.