Cal & Stanford as B1G members

should they both be added


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rucoe89

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Cal will be the new Univ of Chicago
University of Chicago is a Big Ten member. Just not for sports ......

New rumors starting about a ND - Stanford discussion. May be just a lot of smoke as ND still prefers the independent route. May be just prelim discussions if ACC rapidly disintegrates.
 

RUTGERS95

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University of Chicago is a Big Ten member. Just not for sports ......

New rumors starting about a ND - Stanford discussion. May be just a lot of smoke as ND still prefers the independent route. May be just prelim discussions if ACC rapidly disintegrates.
let me be more clear

Univ of chicago moved to an all academic front eons ago giving up football due to the changing nature of the sport and I can see cal doing the same perhaps
 

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Cal and Stanford end up on the Big West with the rest of the UC schools and take their football independent.
 

RC1991

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Cal and Stanford end up on the Big West with the rest of the UC schools and take their football independent.
UC Davis plays FCS football in the Big Sky (other sports are Big West). Maybe FCS is an option for Cal?
 

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UC Davis plays FCS football in the Big Sky (other sports are Big West). Maybe FCS is an option for Cal?
This is the perfect opportunity for its woke faculty to reassert themselves and demand the elimination of the football program citing the hyper and toxic masculinity that is promoted within the game of American football. UCSD doesn't have a football program, neither does UC Santa Cruz, why should the flagship university expose its students to such a vile and masculine sport.
 

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This is the perfect opportunity for its woke faculty to reassert themselves and demand the elimination of the football program citing the hyper and toxic masculinity that is promoted within the game of American football. UCSD doesn't have a football program, neither does UC Santa Cruz, why should the flagship university expose its students to such a vile and masculine sport.
UCLA, Cal, and Davis are the only UC schools that play football. But yes, I see you had the need to go there about woke faculty wanting to eliminate football when no one was suggesting that. Another f*cking CE board jack off.
 
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I am told on good authority that Franklin Murphy was asked what the biggest problem was that he had to face upon becoming Chancellor of UCLA in 1958. He said, "Persuading the switchboard operators to answer the phone "UCLA!"
Interesting and funny anecdote. The school was only just shy of 40 years old, I believe. A decade later and part way through the Wooden years and a run of multiple basketball titles, UCLA reached its 50th anniversary as an institution in 1969. Amazingly Rutgers would come up on 200 in less than a decade from then.
 

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One of the problems here (and I don't know why Cal doesn't solve it) is brand name. Cal cannot decide whether it is Cal, or UC Berkeley, or Berkeley or Cal-Berkeley or whatever. That lessens the academic prestige that admitting "Cal" would give to the Big Ten. Here in the east, people don't know whether Cal is Berkeley or Cal Tech or what.
I think part of the ingrained academic vs. athletic tension seems to be further propagated by each side having its own brand. Seems intentional albeit shooting yourself in the foot in the overall scheme. Difficult to get folks to pull together and go in the same direction.

Though it's not impossible to thrive with both an athletic brand and an academic brand, I think one of them has to trump the other in terms of the outside world (beyond the campus walls) and general public at-large or else the messaging becomes convoluted.

The problem may be that the academic brand of Berkeley is held in such high esteem the world over that it overshadows the athletic brand of Cal, whereas the latter is the one that is typically leveraged for marketing purposes as it potentially helps bring more eyeballs and folks to the front doorstep of the university. The conundrum apparently lies in that more people might be drawn to Berkeley due to the outstanding academic reputation versus just regular folks being drawn from having seen the sports teams on TV to then learn about the school.

It would appear from afar that Berkeley doesn't really need to lean on Cal's revenue generating sports such as football/hoops to bring more visibility to its academic programs, it already has that in spades, even if that's mostly a cross section of those already inclined to be more interested in academic and research endeavors.
 

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UCLA, Cal, and Davis are the only UC schools that play football. But yes, I see you had the need to go there about woke faculty wanting to eliminate football when no one was suggesting that. Another f*cking CE board jack off.
Seriously? There is a strong contingent of administrators, faculty, students, and local residents that would love to see the football program canceled at Cal. This may be the perfect opportunity for them to push for an end to an archaic and dangerous (don't forget head injuries) expression of naked aggression and toxic masculinity.
 

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Interesting and funny anecdote. The school was only just shy of 40 years old, I believe. A decade later and part way through the Wooden years and a run of multiple basketball titles, UCLA reached its 50th anniversary as an institution in 1969. Amazingly Rutgers would come up on 200 in less than a decade from then.
UCLA's roots go back to 1881. The University of California's administration, based in Berkeley, initial fought making UCLA part of the University of California in 191, and UCLA did not achieve co-equal status until 1951. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Los_Angeles
 

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Seriously? There is a strong contingent of administrators, faculty, students, and local residents that would love to see the football program canceled at Cal. This may be the perfect opportunity for them to push for an end to an archaic and dangerous (don't forget head injuries) expression of naked aggression and toxic masculinity.
Just so you know . . a Cal professor has suggested in print that football is "a ritualized form of homosexual rape." https://content.time.com/time/subscriber/article/0,33009,946181,00.html
 
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I think part of the ingrained academic vs. athletic tension seems to be further propagated by each side having its own brand. Seems intentional albeit shooting yourself in the foot in the overall scheme. Difficult to get folks to pull together and go in the same direction.

Though it's not impossible to thrive with both an athletic brand and an academic brand, I think one of them has to trump the other in terms of the outside world (beyond the campus walls) and general public at-large or else the messaging becomes convoluted.

The problem may be that the academic brand of Berkeley is held in such high esteem the world over that it overshadows the athletic brand of Cal, whereas the latter is the one that is typically leveraged for marketing purposes as it potentially helps bring more eyeballs and folks to the front doorstep of the university. The conundrum apparently lies in that more people might be drawn to Berkeley due to the outstanding academic reputation versus just regular folks being drawn from having seen the sports teams on TV to then learn about the school.

It would appear from afar that Berkeley doesn't really need to lean on Cal's revenue generating sports such as football/hoops to bring more visibility to its academic programs, it already has that in spades, even if that's mostly a cross section of those already inclined to be more interested in academic and research endeavors.
I'm surprised by your second paragraph. UCLA seems to have no problem thriving with both brands, and I don't think either trumps the other in public awareness. If anything, the two work together.
 

RUTGERS95

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UCLA, Cal, and Davis are the only UC schools that play football. But yes, I see you had the need to go there about woke faculty wanting to eliminate football when no one was suggesting that. Another f*cking CE board jack off.
uhhh, CAL is in this mess precisely because of just that type nonsense.

either you live under a rock, have no idea how administrations/faculty truly are, or just a myopic fool

in any event, I'll wager any amount you want given it's a lock that what he said is exactly what will happen. You will see further push to the Chicago model
 

RUTGERS95

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I'm surprised by your second paragraph. UCLA seems to have no problem thriving with both brands, and I don't think either trumps the other in public awareness. If anything, the two work together.
they have a good balance for some odd reason

athletics helps academic prestige and raise university awareness, draw in funds, increase applications and a host of other things. Faculty need a grip on reality including worth
 

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UCLA seems to have no problem thriving with both brands,
I think you misunderstood what I meant by brands as I was piggybacking off the multiple naming references you had articulated relative to Cal vs. Berkeley/UC-Berkeley/Cal-Berkeley. No one is putting any of the latter triumvirate onto a uniform, helmet, or stenciled onto a playing field/court. It likely makes the most sense to brand the sports teams as Cal as they do. But that's not used widely for the academic institution, or is it?

Meanwhile UCLA is UCLA and.....? Right, it's just UCLA across both brands, academic & athletic. Only in the most formal of situations do they even invoke the full spelled out name instead of the 4-letter abbreviation. The only distinction I've seen between the two sides is the academic side uses all caps & italics for their logo while the athletics logo is a script uppercase "U" connecting to a script lowercase "cla".
 
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I think you misunderstood what I meant by brands as I was piggybacking off the multiple naming references you had articulated relative to Cal vs. Berkeley/UC-Berkeley/Cal-Berkeley. No one is putting any of the latter triumvirate onto a uniform, helmet, or stenciled onto a playing field/court. It likely makes the most sense to brand the sports teams as Cal as they do. But that's not used widely for the academic institution, or is it?

Meanwhile UCLA is UCLA and.....? Right, it's just UCLA across both brands, academic & athletic. Only in the most formal of situations do they even invoke the full spelled out name instead of the 4-letter abbreviation. The only distinction I've seen between the two sides is the academic side uses all caps & italics for their logo while the athletics logo is a script uppercase "U" connecting to a script lowercase "cla".
Sorry to have misunderstood. I understand students at Berkeley call the place Cal. But no one back here does. When the law school decided to re-brand itself, it adopted "Berkeley Law." IMHO, the sports teams ought to have the same brand. But that offends Cal fans who do not like being associated with the town of Berkeley. (As at many schools, sports fans tend to be more conservative than the average student or alum.)
 
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let me be more clear

Univ of chicago moved to an all academic front eons ago giving up football due to the changing nature of the sport and I can see cal doing the same perhaps
Isn't Cal like half a billion in debt because from their stadium deal ? I don't think they can just fold up the tent just yet.
 
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Allow ND in as a half share and allow them to sell their home games to NBC as they have until this TV contract runs out.. then give them a full share. They still keep their USC and Stanford games and gets to renew their various Big Ten games.. the Michigans, Purdue.. '

The Big Ten is now a nationwide conference and ND should join. They still get 2 games a year they can schedule as they wish.
 

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UCLA, Cal, and Davis are the only UC schools that play football. But yes, I see you had the need to go there about woke faculty wanting to eliminate football when no one was suggesting that. Another f*cking CE board jack off.
Actually UCSD does have football.. as does SDstate, SJstate, god knows how many..
 

rucoe89

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Cal/Stanford are far better cultural fits to Big Ten.
Agreed. As I said in another post, I hope the Big Ten goes to 24 by adding Cal and Stanford out west and UNC, UVa, GaTech and Miami out East. I think all of those programs fit the academic and athletic model. Nebraska and Oregon would be the outliers, though Oregon is at least making some strides to up its academic side.
 

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Cal/Stanford are far better cultural fits to Big Ten.
cultural fits sound great but now it's the money that they can breing in that counts and Cal/Stanford don't bring much, if any at all, and that's why they are Mountain West material and not B1G,even if they are cultural fits for the B1G

edit: As for me :I wouldn't object if the B1G took them
 

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Stanford by itself is a good play. It is a great school, good athletics and we might entice ND. It would position us further as the elite academic conference.
 

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Cal and Stanford are now talking to the ACC about a merger. So much for Cal's alleged concern about student athletes -- every road game except the Stanford game would involve 3000 miles of travel. Flying to the Southeast i from San Francisco is even harder than flying to the Northeast.
 

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Actually UCSD does have football.. as does SDstate, SJstate, god knows how many..
The Toreros are the University of San Diego (USD). They’re a private Jesuit school like Gonzaga, Santa Clara, etc. In fact, I believe they hired Steve Lavin as their men’s basketball coach last year. I was referring to the UC system though for football. Only UCLA, Cal, and UC Davis have football. The Cal State system has more schools that play football. The ones above and throw in Fresno State, Cal Poly too among those.
 
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Allow ND in as a half share and allow them to sell their home games to NBC as they have until this TV contract runs out.. then give them a full share. They still keep their USC and Stanford games and gets to renew their various Big Ten games.. the Michigans, Purdue.. '

The Big Ten is now a nationwide conference and ND should join. They still get 2 games a year they can schedule as they wish.
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BTW this ACC PAC school news is exactly why the B10 should've added Oregon/Washington. I've seen some reporters say why did they have to do it and why now and this is a perfect example of why now. Whether or not these PAC schools join or not, isn't the point. The point is you can't know the future so if you have opportunity you take it while it's there.

If you don't act when you have leverage and circumstances are in your favor, you may not get another opportunity. You can't just assume that "well they will be there when we want them," circumstances which you have no control over can change things. So you strike while the iron is hot. Look no further that the PAC's inaction against the B12 when Texas/OU left.
 
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This makes zero sense for the ACC and brings even more problems to the league…unless they think it will get them ND, which I highly doubt. Hopefully, the B1G doesn’t bite to try to grab them.
I don't think they will because tv (Fox) won't back it. They don't have the numbers to justify it. If ND came along sure but without them I don't think you can add them right now.

I don't even know if the ACC can add them but the B10 doesn't need to. It's in California already and with 2 big names in the 2nd largest market in the country. That's enough. Stanford is an added luxury if you can afford it (ND joining) but it's not a necessity.
 

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This is the perfect opportunity for its woke faculty to reassert themselves and demand the elimination of the football program citing the hyper and toxic masculinity that is promoted within the game of American football. UCSD doesn't have a football program, neither does UC Santa Cruz, why should the flagship university expose its students to such a vile and masculine sport.

What a pos(t). So much echo chamber repetition can rot a brain.
 
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cultural fits sound great but now it's the money that they can breing in that counts and Cal/Stanford don't bring much, if any at all, and that's why they are Mountain West material and not B1G,even if they are cultural fits for the B1G

edit: As for me :I wouldn't object if the B1G took them

Sadly, I think you are probably correct on this. A Pac 4/MWC merger (including - perhaps - SMU, Tulane, Memphis, etc.) may be the best Cal and Stanford can expect.
 
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Agreed. As I said in another post, I hope the Big Ten goes to 24 by adding Cal and Stanford out west and UNC, UVa, GaTech and Miami out East. I think all of those programs fit the academic and athletic model. Nebraska and Oregon would be the outliers, though Oregon is at least making some strides to up its academic side.

I like this far better than adding Clemson and FSU. However, I think the ACC adds are pretty much moot. Breaking the ACC GOR is way too costly.