Cal & Stanford as B1G members

should they both be added


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krup

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This is a pipe dream, these teams (Cal, Stanford) were worth less money in a league where they had plenty of natural rivals. They are not suddenly becoming worth more money by partnering with schools on the opposite coast that they have nothing in common with. If no one was watching Cal vs UCLA, even fewer people will watch Cal vs NC State.
ESPN wouldn’t be doing it because they think Cal and Stanford are worth an ACC share.

They would be doing it to get Clemson and FSU to the SEC, while keeping the ACC alive because it fills so many programming hours on ESPNs networks.
 
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This is a pipe dream, these teams (Cal, Stanford) were worth less money in a league where they had plenty of natural rivals. They are not suddenly becoming worth more money by partnering with schools on the opposite coast that they have nothing in common with. If no one was watching Cal vs UCLA, even fewer people will watch Cal vs NC State.
It would be less about eyeballs and more about carriage rates and will that make enough of a difference for ESPN/ACC to do it. ACC also has to take into account increased travel costs. ESPN might get some extra options for late night programming on top of the PAC to B12 schools.

Is it financially feasible or not who knows. All depends on ESPN, just like Oregon/Washington depended on Fox.
 

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Klatt is basically correct. The Pac 12 Network never got the money that they had assumed to get. I've lived in Nor Cal for over 35 years. Pre-Pac 12 Network, Cal and Stanford football and basketball were nearly always on TV - whether is was ESPN or local channels. Since the Pac 12 Network started, I only rarely get to watch Cal or Stanford. There is no local option and the networks show the schools that are winning and USC/UCLA. Cal and Stanford need to at least be more available for local viewers.
Have to say, while BTN is all about Ohio State and Michigan, they are pretty fair to Rutgers and everyone else in the conference after that. We do not have a problem with recruit targets and fans NOT being able to see Rutgers football and basketball.

And, yeah, SMU will be fine.. maybe even Liberty. Its about $$$$$. They have it and SMU can be a national brand again as might Liberty in the right conference situation. But conferences would need them for programming.. for games.
 
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Have to say, while BTN is all about Ohio State and Michigan, they are pretty fair to Rutgers and everyone else in the conference after that. We do not have a problem with recruit targets and fans NOT being able to see Rutgers football and basketball.
In the future, a little of that might change as some MBB and football games get put on Peacock.
 

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In the future, a little of that might change as some MBB and football games get put on Peacock.
Peacock has a free tier.. I suspect since games will have advertising anyone who can stream can see it. But, yeah.. have not thought of the idea that more teams means more competition for air time and since many cableco's around the country do not take all the feeds from BTN.

(by this I mean in Orlando Spectrum has 5 BTN channels that really is just 3 channels, lets call them BTN, BTN1 and BTN2.. (3 and 4 are just dupes in SD standard def) and there have been times where the schedule says game X is on BTN2 and game X is NOT on BTN2, BTN2 is just another copy of the lone BTN game they are showing on BTN1. That means they are supposed to show 3 different games sometimes but only shows 2, I imagine to save bandwidth for their use for other purposes).

So, in the situation above we find ourselves scrambling to find the streaming station getting the feed and stuff like that may happen more.. unless overflow goes to Peaccok to they make more BTN feeds and cablecos take them, etc.
 
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Peacock has a free tier.. I suspect since games will have advertising anyone who can stream can see it. But, yeah.. have not thought of the idea that more teams means more competition for air time and since many cableco's around the country do not take all the feeds from BTN.

(by this I mean in Orlando Spectrum has 5 BTN channels that really is just 3 channels, lets call them BTN, BTN1 and BTN2.. (3 and 4 are just dupes in SD standard def) and there have been times where the schedule says game X is on BTN2 and game X is NOT on BTN2, BTN2 is just another copy of the lone BTN game they are showing on BTN1. That means they are supposed to show 3 different games sometimes but only shows 2, I imagine to save bandwidth for their use for other purposes).

So, in the situation above we find ourselves scrambling to find the streaming station getting the feed and stuff like that may happen more.. unless overflow goes to Peaccok to they make more BTN feeds and cablecos take them, etc.
The person who makes an app that lets you quickly switch between games that are on different streaming services is going to make some money.

To me, cord cutting may save money but it has led to a degraded viewing experience for the consumer.
 
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Peacock has a free tier.. I suspect since games will have advertising anyone who can stream can see it. But, yeah.. have not thought of the idea that more teams means more competition for air time and since many cableco's around the country do not take all the feeds from BTN.

(by this I mean in Orlando Spectrum has 5 BTN channels that really is just 3 channels, lets call them BTN, BTN1 and BTN2.. (3 and 4 are just dupes in SD standard def) and there have been times where the schedule says game X is on BTN2 and game X is NOT on BTN2, BTN2 is just another copy of the lone BTN game they are showing on BTN1. That means they are supposed to show 3 different games sometimes but only shows 2, I imagine to save bandwidth for their use for other purposes).

So, in the situation above we find ourselves scrambling to find the streaming station getting the feed and stuff like that may happen more.. unless overflow goes to Peaccok to they make more BTN feeds and cablecos take them, etc.
I didn't realize Peacock had a free tier. I thought it was free to Comcast subscribers but not others. I have FIOS for internet only.
 

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To me, cord cutting may save money but it has led to a degraded viewing experience for the consumer.
yeah, when you figure out all the payments, you probably save , what? $25 and then have to deal with ease-of-use issues. For me, I have been a Tivo household forever and the ones I use now are cable only.. so giving up the best DVR experience (though, really, they haven't been innovating as they should) is not worth it.
 
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The person who makes an app that lets you quickly switch between games that are on different streaming services is going to make some money.

To me, cord cutting may save money but it has led to a degraded viewing experience for the consumer.

Haha.
If only there were some company willing to consolidate all these different media distributions into a central platform.

Maybe use one central box and remote control to manage it all.
Maybe even hard wire it to my house so I don't have to worry about fluctuations in internet service or connection.

Someone should come up with this.
#CordCuttingSucks
 
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Haha.
If only there were some company willing to consolidate all these different media distributions into a central platform.

Maybe use one central box and remote control to manage it all.
Maybe even hard wire it to my house so I don't have to worry about fluctuations in internet service or connection.

Someone should come up with this.
#CordCuttingSucks
I’ve been satisfied with YouTube tv. I haven’t had any really big issues with it and I’m not paying for 3 dvr cable box rentals.

They’ve rolled out split screen for some sporting events too which is a nice little feature too.

My viewing experience has been the same if not better than when I had cable.
 

krup

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I’ve been satisfied with YouTube tv. I haven’t had any really big issues with it and I’m not paying for 3 dvr cable box rentals.

They’ve rolled out split screen for some sporting events too which is a nice little feature too.

My viewing experience has been the same if not better than when I had cable.
I have youtubetv and it is fine for multiple games on youtubetv. It is nothing like cable when you are interested in games on youtubetv and ESPN+ (or other providers) at the same time.
 

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Peacock has a free tier.. I suspect since games will have advertising anyone who can stream can see it. But, yeah.. have not thought of the idea that more teams means more competition for air time and since many cableco's around the country do not take all the feeds from BTN.

(by this I mean in Orlando Spectrum has 5 BTN channels that really is just 3 channels, lets call them BTN, BTN1 and BTN2.. (3 and 4 are just dupes in SD standard def) and there have been times where the schedule says game X is on BTN2 and game X is NOT on BTN2, BTN2 is just another copy of the lone BTN game they are showing on BTN1. That means they are supposed to show 3 different games sometimes but only shows 2, I imagine to save bandwidth for their use for other purposes).

So, in the situation above we find ourselves scrambling to find the streaming station getting the feed and stuff like that may happen more.. unless overflow goes to Peaccok to they make more BTN feeds and cablecos take them, etc.
Interesting regarding multiple BTN channels. We only get one feed out here in the PNW as part of the Comcast additional sports tier. Have a feeling with the addition of UW and UO that will hopefully change for the better. I’m sure the PAC12 network will be going away.
 

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It would be less about eyeballs and more about carriage rates and will that make enough of a difference for ESPN/ACC to do it. ACC also has to take into account increased travel costs. ESPN might get some extra options for late night programming on top of the PAC to B12 schools.

Is it financially feasible or not who knows. All depends on ESPN, just like Oregon/Washington depended on Fox.
Very unlikely the ACC/ESPN would bid so much more when ESPN was outbid by a streaming business for these same markets in the PAC 12 at much lower levels than the current ACC payout.
 
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Interesting regarding multiple BTN channels. We only get one feed out here in the PNW as part of the Comcast additional sports tier. Have a feeling with the addition of UW and UO that will hopefully change for the better. I’m sure the PAC12 network will be going away.
Well, I doubt Pac12net will disappear unless the conference completely folds. Suppose PAC12 reconfigures you still have oregon state, Washington state, etc.. plus new teams.. and, as mentioned earlier, the PAC12 network is cheap to cablecos... we get it in Orlando.. not sure if it is basic, but we definitely did not have to choose to pay for it, though we do have a giant cable package.
 
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Peacock is no longer free to Comcast users either.
I'm not sure this is true. I believe Comcast recently offered three free years of Peacock.But I do not remember if the offer applies to all customer.
 

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I'm not sure this is true. I believe Comcast recently offered three free years of Peacock.But I do not remember if the offer applies to all customer.
I didn't get that offer. They gave me a year at a discounted price but if I call in to complain it's possible I can do better. Other people I spoke with had the same offer as well.
 

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I didn't get that offer. They gave me a year at a discounted price but if I call in to complain it's possible I can do better. Other people I spoke with had the same offer as well.
I didn't have to do anything to get the offer. It came via e-mail. We're pretty high tier, and that may be why we got the offer.
 
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I didn't have to do anything to get the offer. It came via e-mail. We're pretty high tier, and that may be why we got the offer.
Comcast is the one cableco that owns NBC/Peacock.. so they can make offers like that. It costs other cablecos money to do so. That cablecos were allowed to buy networks.. content producers... c'mon man, where's the antitrust folks on that crap?
 
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I have youtubetv and it is fine for multiple games on youtubetv. It is nothing like cable when you are interested in games on youtubetv and ESPN+ (or other providers) at the same time.
I haven’t had cable in a bit so how is it easier if something is on AppleTV+or Peacock or whatever. You can access those services through your cable box and flip back and forth like changing channels?

I only watch CFB so I don’t have that issue. But if I did. I’d probably just do the same thing I do when watching multiple games on YouTube Tv. Use my iPad for the other games that I might be interested in.
 

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I haven’t had cable in a bit so how is it easier if something is on AppleTV+or Peacock or whatever. You can access those services through your cable box and flip back and forth like changing channels?

I only watch CFB so I don’t have that issue. But if I did. I’d probably just do the same thing I do when watching multiple games on YouTube Tv. Use my iPad for the other games that I might be interested in.
Well.. using my Tivo with 6 tuners.. I can have them all on games broadcast on various cable channels. Hit one button to flip to the last channel I had on to switch between two games.. or use the right side of the round pad button to open a menu of all the 6 tuners and slide down to teh one I want to flip to. Each channel is in a half-hour buffer.. if it is not being recorded in full.. and if I see a score has changed I can rewind to see how they scored.

I should add.. that any TVs elsewhere with tivo access to my main tivo will take up a tuner somewhere else in the house. Anything being recorded takes up a tuner.. but if a remote TV is watching a recording then it does not take up a tuner.

Tivo's streaming apps kinda suck. They do not keep them up to date, do not have many of them and given that the Tivo is basically a streaming HTPC, its apps must be surprisingly non-optimized. I don't even try to use it for streaming.. I use the TVs own apps or a Chromecast TV dongle.
 
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Well.. using my Tivo with 6 tuners.. I can have them all on games broadcast on various cable channels. Hit one button to flip to the last channel I had on to switch between tow games.. or use the right-side of round pad button to open a menu of all the 6 tuners and slide down to teh one I want to flip to. Each channel is in a half-hour buffer.. if it is not being recorded in full.. and if I see a score has changed I can rewind to see how they scored.
Ok so that’s good with TiVo but does that functionality exist with a regular cable box from any of the cable providers.
 

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Ok so that’s good with TiVo but does that functionality exist with a regular cable box from any of the cable providers.
Similar.. a lot of cable boxes caught up in the DVR game and, I suspect, some must be better by now. I do think Tivo dropped the ball... though, I doubt any cableco DVRs would have commercial skip features or a way to get around charges for "outlets" (other room TVs).
 
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So two schools in CALIFORNIA (which is located on the PACIFIC COAST) are potentiall joining the ATLANTIC COAST conference?

Where is the outrage and threads calling for “Congress must do something. This isn’t the college athletics we grew up with!!”??
Must have missed those.
 
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So two schools in CALIFORNIA (which is located on the PACIFIC COAST) are potentiall joining the ATLANTIC COAST conference?

Where is the outrage and threads calling for “Congress must do something. This isn’t the college athletics we grew up with!!”??
Must have missed those.
Ha . I like the sarcasm

I think the whole system is ridiculous
 
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So two schools in CALIFORNIA (which is located on the PACIFIC COAST) are potentiall joining the ATLANTIC COAST conference?

Where is the outrage and threads calling for “Congress must do something. This isn’t the college athletics we grew up with!!”??
Must have missed those.
A&P is being revived, not as a grocery store. but a football conference.
 

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UCLA, USC, Washington, and Oregon will rue the day when they decided to have virtually all of their road games two or three time zones away.
 
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Former UNC Chancellor talking about last rounds of realignment in the ACC. FSU/Clemson wanted Louisville others wanted UConn. FSU and UVA were actually the holdouts for the GOR.

4-5 holdouts this time for the PAC schools? FSU, Clemson, UNC maybe? Or maybe smaller status schools like BC, Cuse, Pitt who don't like the extra travel?

 

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UCLA, USC, Washington, and Oregon will rue the day when they decided to have virtually all of their road games two or three time zones away.
I don't think it's that much more taxing flying into Illinois, Wisconsin, amd Minnesota from LA than Seattle, maybe an hour and 15. Of course east of that is a completely different story.

I would think they won't play the away games vs the East Coast teams at noon, more likely late afternoon or night.
 

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I don't think it's that much more taxing flying into Illinois, Wisconsin, amd Minnesota from LA than Seattle, maybe an hour and 15. Of course east of that is a completely different story.

I would think they won't play the away games vs the East Coast teams at noon, more likely late afternoon or night.
Flying to Chicago is an hour longer than flying to Seattle. In addition, don't forget the time change -- flying east is more likely to cause jet lag. Keep in mind also that Seattle is at the far north of the Pacific Coast; playing in, say, Illinois, is tougher than playing in Oregon, Northern California or Arizona.

Of course, having Cal/Stanford in the ACC and playing away games on the East Coast would be much worse.
 
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knightfan7

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Flying to Chicago is an hour longer than flying to Seattle. In addition, don't forget the time change -- flying east is more likely to cause jet lag. Keep in mind also that Seattle is at the far north of the Pacific Coast; playing in, say, Illinois, is tougher than playing in Oregon, Northern California or Arizona.
I am considering the time change which is why I figured they'll play late afternoon or night so they can try to keep a somewhat same sleep schedule. A 3:00 game here is like a noon kick out west. We're also talking about young people who are in peak physical condition.

As I recall according to @zappaa who did it for years, it's a bit more difficult going West>>>East than East>>>West.
 

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Tried to cut the chord but my 4-year old is really getting into sports and we had to go back. I wish some service allowed you to truly pick like 20 random channels that you wanted and pay reasonable bill