Cam Newton Weekend Stats

[Coach34]

If we get Newton, he is going to be our QB. And its looking good for us to get him. And that scenario I typed out is what someone around the program has said.

If we don't get Newton, then Mullen will tweak the offense for Russell. And he will be our QB.

Mullen would prefer to have Newton as he loves a running QB. Will he adapt if he has to? Of course he will

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

From your post, I think we would agree that a "preference" does not mean he would rather play/recruit a QB of lesser quality than Russell just because the other QB runs better than Russell. I mean, no **** he has a preference for a QB that can run and pass. Going back to my college days here, did you ever create a QB on NCAA Football and not put his speed in the 90s? Of course you didn't, you created a 6'6 QB with Drew Brees' arm and Michael Vick's legs and you did so because that is dangerous in ANY offense.

In actuality, Mullen doesn't prefer a running QB, he prefers the perfect QB. That is what he is looking for and God bless him for it.

Bottom line and end of story - we are recruiting Cam Newton because he is a freak and could potentially be a great QB immediately, not simply because he moves better than Russell or because we have no confidence in Russell or because the offense doesn't work as well with Russell.

That is why "The Russell Theory" is so stupid.

 

[Sarc Dawg]

The possibility of having 2 GOOD QB's on campus at the same time, and being able to bring one along slowly. Newton comes in and starts for 2 years and then Russell starts as a matured RJr. A RJr. with 3 years of weight conditioning and learning the system. Yet some of you are acting like you don't want him because he can't run like Michael Vick.

Russell may never be an electric runner, but I bet he'll be no worse then Lee. All his legs will have to do is be good enough to make the defense account for him. And since he is 6" or so taller we may get another 30-40 yards passing per game from balls not batted down or open WR's not seen. </p>

 

[lawdawg02]

that a guy that threw for 2952 yards with 32 TDs and only 4 INTs wasn't a passer? Seriously?

/2952 yards passing vs. 631 yards rushing = "more of a passing QB" in my book, which is what i was trying to say.

 

[bullysleftnut]

In his 2 years

I think he probably ran when the defenses he faced were selling out against the pass but I didn't watch him in college so I can't tell you for sure. But he was never a 1000 yard rusher, and he had 42 passing TDs vs 15 rushing TDs his last two years. I don't think the guy was a running QB no matter how much you want to make him out to be. We run the option because our passing game isn't that great and because we have a lot of guys that can run the ball. I guarantee you that if Russell is our starter we will sling the football a lot more than we do now.

 

[Coach34]

i'm not saying Smith a 17'ing wishbone QB...I am saying that a QB that averages 12 carries a game is a running QB vs being a pocket passer.

"I guarantee you that if Russell is our starter we will sling the football a lot more than we do now."

Well no **** Mark Hudspeth. Thats whole point of this 17'ing thread. If we get Newton, we will run the option and run the ball more. If we don't, and Russell is the starter, we will throw it more. Damn, I'm glad you figured all that **** out for us

 

[Coach34]

I didnt say he was a wishbone QB. But a guy that averages 12 rushes a game is not a "pocket passer"- it's called "dual-threat"

And Russell is not a "dual-threat"

 

[Foronce]

Russell should not transfer just cause you get competition in camp... He should realize this team is moving in the right direction and work harder.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Tyler Russell = Chris Leak.
He's the type of QB that Mullen can win with if he has to, but he wants a Tebow, Smith, Newton type of guy that is a big, physical runner that can also throw the football.
I remember in Urban's first year at UF, Leak publically complained to the media that the staff was trying to make him tougher and a running QB, and he was quoted as saying "I'm not a running back."
I think they've backed off and realized they can win with a pocket passer, but they'd much rather have a running QB, b/c the read option and QB keepers are what make that offense dynamic and special. Leak's offenses never approached the production that Tebow and Smith's did, UF won a nat'l title w/ Leak b/c of defense.

And and on Newton by the way, think bigger than Relf w/ the strongest arm to ever come through MSU. Basically Jamarcus Russell w/ more speed, but when he did get to play at UF he struggled w/ accuracy and consistency; which is why he was demoted to 3rd string behind Brantley (maybe that's his beef w/ Mullen)

 

[bulldogbaja]

the fact that we have 2 decently mobile QBs who (for different reasons) aren't great passers.

 

[Todd4State]

at UF more of a dropback passer? I thought I heard Mel Kiper, Jr. say that, so consider the source.

 

[lawdawg02]

does anyone have a 40 time for russell? just curious.</p>

 

[msu21]

Oh wait....that was U. Bolt. Damn..my bad. Russell runs anywhere between a 4.7-4.8 depending on which way the wind is blowing.

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[jcdawgman18]

Tyler Russell = Chris Leak.

You want to compare a 6'5" quarterback with a really strong arm to a 6'nothing quarterback who had a lot of success simply based on moxie and accuracy. Not a true comparison. Really, Russell has the potential to be a lot more dangerous due to his size and his arm. But I would gladly take Leak production (he is currently respsonsible for more yards than anyone in SEC history....that is until Tebow breaks the record later this year).

 

[Sutterkane]

Looking at his rivals profile, it says he runs a 4.89. By comparison, our amazing-super-fast-wildcat-Vince-Young-with-a-shittier-arm Chris Relf is clocked in at a whopping 4.8, loads faster than slow *** Russell!

I even looked up Tebow as well, and he is listed as running a 4.69. Not exactly considering a track scholarship on the side here either.

The fact is, in Mullen's offense you don't have to be a <span style="font-style: italic;">fast</span> QB. He simply wants someone who can perform the read of the DE and if he is committed to the running back, take off himself and get 5-10 yards occasionally, which is exactly what Lee does. Would it be better if he could run a 4.5 40? Well, **** yeah, but wouldn't it be better if everybody on the field could do that while we're at it? You don't have to be lightning fast to be able to run the football as a QB.

 

[ckDOG]

I never said he was slow, nor hinted that he was. I actually am giving him the benefit of the doubt in that he can be a serviceable runner. But, I'd be a retard if I said he'd be more effective at running than Newton would - should he be on campus next year.

I agree, fast doesn't always translate into an effective runner. But, let's continue with the Rivals profile game, who would you rather run the football: Player A 6'4'' 200lbs 4.89s or Player B 6'6'' 247lbs 4.53s. ??? I'd pick Player B. Physics says Player B doesn't even have to be intelligent. Player B can just truck through folks to get yards.

 

[MedDawg]

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[ckDOG]

Rivals lists him as Pro-style: http://rivals.yahoo.com/n...ayer-Tyler-Russell-74174

Scout listed his weakness as "Running Ability / Mobility": http://recruiting.scout.c...&c=1&nid=2736954

Funnily enough: The wee lad was listed as a dual-threat QB running a 4.5 out of JUCO in 2008. Check it out: http://rivals.yahoo.com/n...g/player-Tyson-Lee-70636

 

[louisianadawg]

I have never seen a problem of too much talent at any position,my simple equation , the more talent = the better the competition = the better the team = more wins

 

[basedog]

is all the talk about transferring. You are also wrong about him not being Mullen's type QB. Sure Mullen would love to get his #1 recruit Newton and I also agree that Newton would be the starter.

 

[OMlawdog]

Everywhere Mullen has gone, the QB has been a running threat. Even the year with Leak, he tried to run the ball with Leak.

Now Mullen could switch to a Texas Tech style spread where the QB never runs it, but that seems unlikely. Mullen is doing what he should be doing and that is running what he knows. He knows the spread option attack.

Rich Rodriguez didn't change his gameplan when he got to Michigan, and that was the right decision. Mallet wasn't an option attack guy, he was a pocket passer, they both did their own thing and it is working for both of them. That is the smart thing to do. Mullen seems like a smart guy and he is going to run what he knows. Coaches that have been successful doing one thing for over 10 years don't just all of a sudden scrap the offense for one QB. They go and find a QB that fits their system and they roll with that QB.

Now Russell may end up being a great Spread option QB, but everything I have seen and heard about the kid is that he is a classic drop back passer that has some mobility. I just don't think Mullen retools the offense to fit Russell. I obviously could be wrong, but his recruitment of Newton gives him a chacne to sign a High School QB that can run the option attack.

Maybe Mullen wants to run the Tx Tech Spread, the problem is that he has never run that type of offense, and Im not sure why he would start now especially when he has MSU's offense looking pretty good.</p>

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Tyler Russell = Chris Leak.

You want to compare a 6'5" quarterback with a really strong arm to a 6'nothing quarterback who had a lot of success simply based on moxie and accuracy. Not a true comparison. Really, Russell has the potential to be a lot more dangerous due to his size and his arm. But I would gladly take Leak production (he is currently respsonsible for more yards than anyone in SEC history....that is until Tebow breaks the record later this year).

Actually yes, I think they are very similar in styles and athletic ability, and neither of them want to run, they'd rather sit in the pocket. The only difference I see is height.
I watched Tyler Russell play, and didn't really think he had a strong arm. Actually, he was a lot like Leak in that he relied on accuracy and threw a catchable ball rather than one w/ a lot of velocity or zip. In the state championship game or the clips I saw of him, he never looked to have much zip on the ball, but guys on here just want to assume he has a cannon b/c he's tall and had 4 stars beside his name. Lee has a stronger arm at this point.

 

[bullysleftnut]

i'm not saying Smith a 17'ing wishbone QB...I am saying that a QB that averages 12 carries a game is a running QB vs being a pocket passer.

"I guarantee you that if Russell is our starter we will sling the football a lot more than we do now."

Well no **** Mark Hudspeth. Thats whole point of this 17'ing thread. If we get Newton, we will run the option and run the ball more. If we don't, and Russell is the starter, we will throw it more. Damn, I'm glad you figured all that **** out for us

Your definition of "running QB" seems to be somewhat different than most people's. Alex Smith wasn't noted for his running -- he was noted for the umpteen bajillion 17-ing TDs he THREW as a QB. Your point was .... well ****, I don't know what your point was since you keep changing it every goddamn post.

 

[jcdawgman18]

Just going based off years of seeing him play and practice in person and based on what Brandon McRae said in interviews this summer.

He does know when to take something off, though. He has great touch on his throws.

 

[bulliegolfer]

Mullen has a track record of letting the backup play some and he would have his junior and senior years to start. But if baseball boy steps in and makes a bunch of noise and Russell falls to the #3 spot..........then it is possible if not probable.

 

[Shmuley]

is doing everything but handing Newton the satchel personally to get him here?

 

[Coach34]

is all the talk about transferring. You are also wrong about him not being Mullen's type QB. Sure Mullen would love to get his #1 recruit Newton and I also agree that Newton would be the starter.

I'm not saying that is what is going to happen, but if Russell comes out of Spring practice as the 3rd QB, you can damn well bet it is going to cross his mind. I hope we keep as many good players as we can- but I know how QB's think also. I also know he isnt going to beat Newton out. And should Baseball Boy overtake him on the depth chart, dont think it wont be considered by him.

 

[msu21]

Not cool.

 

[jcdawgman18]

So I did see him practice everyday then. Plus, I kept up with the Cats after I graduated.</p>

 

[BadDawg.sixpack]

A Cam/Tyler combination at QB would be great, call me crazy, but I think Newton will end up at UT. Hope I'm wrong!

 

[zerocooldog]

A Cam/Tyler combination at QB would be great, call me crazy, but I think Newton will end up at UT. Hope I'm wrong!

Cam sees himself as a pro style QB, Kiffin is looking for a pro style QB, do the math and Cam ends up at UT. Hope I'm wrong as well.

 

[msudawg12]

C. Relf is going to be asked to switch positions after it becomes apparent he is never going to play a snap at QB again.

 

[Delmar]

<font size="2">"The quarterback is the most critical position in this offense," Mullen said

You can't tell from the article if the author is paraphrasing Mullen with the last part or if that was the authors opinion.</font>

 

[basedog]

Hell, I know we need a QB. I hope we get Newton, but having one great QB or 2 good QB's ain't enough. We need to sign 1 or 2 every year. I also know Russell will be a redshirt Fr next year w/o experience and having Newton who knows Mullen and his offense will be what we need. My point is the talk about Russell transferring and him not being a Mullen type QB. Both are bull or mute points for the moment. Regardless if we get Newton or not we need help bad at the QB position and I hope we sign at least a good high school QB with or w/o Newton.

 

[basedog]

and may the best man win, I could care less if it is Baseball Boy or Russell being 1 or 2 (hopefully behind Newton). Russell was a good QB who led a well coached team to a state championship. I wouldn't sell his ability short by saying "IF". We'll see and all I'm saying to you are anyone who has doubts about Russell, we'll see and let's play the wait and see game not the rumor game. My thinking is Russell is the 3rd QB today, I bet if Lee or Relf gets hurt he moves up. Watching pre-game only 3 QB's were throwing and the others watched.

 

[GloryDawg]

That's what this thread has become a pissing match.

 

[diamond333]

John...

 

[ckDOG]

My mistake. I got quotation mark retarded. The author inferred that from the interviews, or interjected their own opinion.

Either way, I'll still stand by my opinion that a dual-threat QB is what makes the offense <span style="font-style: italic;">most</span> effective.