Cam situation almost completly dead now
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<div style="text-align: left;">never...its coming..This is just the calm before the storm....
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pissing and moaning going on, doesn't mean that the investigation has stalled/stopped. We have several people meeting with the freaking FBI that are related to all of this. Don't be naive. The NCAA and the FBI don't do a daily presser to give updates on nailing a school/player for infractions. This is par for the course during an investigation. We may not see sanctions handed down before the end of the season (very, very unlikely) but they are coming. The NCAA is not influenced by emotion like the media and we fans are. They will investigate and if they can prove (or get pretty close---it's not a court of law) the infraction, then they will hand down sanctions.
Yea, no ****, but we have had so many "insiders" running their traps on here about tapes, and "Oh something is gonna happen this week". ********. We will know something in 2015. Auburn will have won the NC. Maybe even a couple of them. And we will still be running the dive play and wondering if we will get any punishment for Kenny Rogers
This will be over sooner than later. It will not take the FBI 5 years to uncover the goods if they are there.
The FBI is still going strong. ESPN mentioned it.
Have no ides what you're talking about.
Look for more developments this week to add to the list.
Look for NCAA to act in 1-6 months, which is lightening fast for them. However they are getting full assistance and guidance from the FBI, something they didn't count on. GO ti Tigerdroppings.com if you doubt how serious this is to people other than MSU.
Have no ides what you're talking about.
Look for more developments this week to add to the list.
Look for NCAA to act in 1-6 months, which is lightening fast for them. However they are getting full assistance and guidance from the FBI, something they didn't count on. GO ti Tigerdroppings.com if you doubt how serious this is to people other than MSU.
Yes, now that the NCAA has leaked enough information to the pressto get people talking. I doubt they leak anymore right now. Because if you leak to much information, the witnesses, subjects, and attorneys knowall thecards you are holding. However, once the NCAA gets some very damning evidence.They will leak thatto thepress. Because Newton is liked by many in the media and college football in general, not just Auburn fans. There is already suggestions of Newton being a victim and etc.Since, this isprobably their most public investigation ever. They will need to come out looking good on this one.Not two years down the road either. Otherwise, media and fans are going to call for reform inregards to the NCAA and thier policing ofcollege athletics.
Or are they investigating Kenny Rogers, who at this time has no connection to Auburn? I honestly don't know; I'm just asking.
I have a feeling the FBI could care less about if Newton was shopped to Auburn; I feel like they're just trying to shut down Rogers.
I have a feeling the FBI could care less about if Newton was shopped to Auburn; I feel like they're just trying to shut down Rogers.
No, it doesn't take the FBI 5 years. However, it could take one to two years. Their investigation will probably continue into 2011. Best case senario, get an indictment some time Spring 2011. If the target(s) plead guilty, then alot will be known by summer 2011. If those indicted plead not guilty, it could be 2012 before a trail takes place. Especially if you have high profile defendents which can afford very good lawyers to get continuance after continuance. Also, I am sure with a case this high profile, the indictment will be sealed.
If indeed there is a full blown Federal investigation occurring that overlaps with any rumored payments by those affiliated with Auburn, then when the persons being interviewed by the FBI leave the interview, they will be told: We'd strongly advise that you keep these discussions confidential. That would be in regards to the press and to your friends. Understand fully that we're conducting a Federal investigation into a number of things, and if you inform others of these discussions you could be charged with obstruction of justice.<div>
</div><div>So don't expect Mr. Bond to walk out of the Federal Building and into a press conference. He might... but it wouldn't be advised.</div>
</div><div>So don't expect Mr. Bond to walk out of the Federal Building and into a press conference. He might... but it wouldn't be advised.</div>
Here's a little ray of sunshine showing the media may be finally getting their heads out their collective asses and beginning to connect the dots. One of the first articles I'ce seen that doesn't go all poor little Cam is being victimized by MSU .
http://www.sunherald.com/...-has-been-12-months.html
http://www.sunherald.com/...-has-been-12-months.html
I don't care if you are a #1 team or not - when you've got the FBI and NCAA breathing down your back and most of the country thinking your are guilty as Monica Lewinsky's stained dress - you're not going to recruit very well.
Its done. Their program is cresting with however many wins they get this year and then the slide starts.
I'm sure you guys remember the Sherrill investigation was a lot more harmful than the actual probation right? Well, that won't be the case for Auburn because their probation is going to be apocalyptic. But the investigation is going to hurt the program plenty.
Its done. Their program is cresting with however many wins they get this year and then the slide starts.
I'm sure you guys remember the Sherrill investigation was a lot more harmful than the actual probation right? Well, that won't be the case for Auburn because their probation is going to be apocalyptic. But the investigation is going to hurt the program plenty.
I think we won't hear much more about this for a while. I doubt you see any more information leaked. The only thing that may change this is if the FBI moves quickly. This has been a real black eye for the SEC and NCAA.
But it's about to pick back up.<div>
</div><div>Bond wouldn't be talking to the FBI if he didn't have credible evidence, or at least SOMETHING that is worth them knowing. Desmond Howard posted a link on twitter yesterday that was pretty interesting,<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/11/15/starting-11-cam-newton-will-eventually-be-declared-ineligible/, so take a look at that and see what you think.</span></div>
</div><div>Bond wouldn't be talking to the FBI if he didn't have credible evidence, or at least SOMETHING that is worth them knowing. Desmond Howard posted a link on twitter yesterday that was pretty interesting,<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 16px; ">http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/11/15/starting-11-cam-newton-will-eventually-be-declared-ineligible/, so take a look at that and see what you think.</span></div>
Again, if indeed, the FBI is conducting a full scale investigation, the FBI will leak the information that it wants in the media at the time that it wishes for it to hit the media. <div>
</div><div>If Mr. Bond leaves the interview today and feels that he has license to continue to do radio interviews, or press interviews, then it will in a best case scenario be a telling sign that this isn't large and interwoven with the Alabama casino conspiracy, et al., and in a worst case scenario may mean that the NCAA is the institution driving the train, rather than the FBI.</div><div>
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</div><div>If Mr. Bond leaves the interview today and feels that he has license to continue to do radio interviews, or press interviews, then it will in a best case scenario be a telling sign that this isn't large and interwoven with the Alabama casino conspiracy, et al., and in a worst case scenario may mean that the NCAA is the institution driving the train, rather than the FBI.</div><div>
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Comes from Tiger Droppings. I know absolutely no one in the FBI. The Feberal Grand Jury did discuss my case, but no indictments were returned. That is my story and I'm sticking with it.
Someone probably smarter than me on Tigerdroppings says that the FBI would have wiretapped lots of phones for 6-8 months in their Alabama Bank Fraud investigation. This means they were recording conversations when the Cam mess came down. Iftheypicked up any phone calls between UA boosters working out the details of paying off Cam &/or his daddy to send him to Auburn and ifanyone mentioned Rev Newton asking for money, it becomes Embezzlement and if done over a phone across state lines, it becomes a federal crime. As a whole, the FBI is a pretty serious group with no (zero) sense of humor and they would not back away from those crimes. I have also heard other federal charges, like wire fraud mentioned. I am not a lwayer and unable to give legal advice. I do know that if I were involved in this I would lawyer up quickly.
What is serious to us (keeping the name of MSU clean) is evidently a major deal in Alabama that is not going to go away. We hear FBI and think Rogers. They hear FBI and immediately think of five or six Auburn boosters, some of which may have direct day to day involvement in Auburn University operations. If that is true, there is a firestorm headed toward Auburn.
Someone probably smarter than me on Tigerdroppings says that the FBI would have wiretapped lots of phones for 6-8 months in their Alabama Bank Fraud investigation. This means they were recording conversations when the Cam mess came down. Iftheypicked up any phone calls between UA boosters working out the details of paying off Cam &/or his daddy to send him to Auburn and ifanyone mentioned Rev Newton asking for money, it becomes Embezzlement and if done over a phone across state lines, it becomes a federal crime. As a whole, the FBI is a pretty serious group with no (zero) sense of humor and they would not back away from those crimes. I have also heard other federal charges, like wire fraud mentioned. I am not a lwayer and unable to give legal advice. I do know that if I were involved in this I would lawyer up quickly.
What is serious to us (keeping the name of MSU clean) is evidently a major deal in Alabama that is not going to go away. We hear FBI and think Rogers. They hear FBI and immediately think of five or six Auburn boosters, some of which may have direct day to day involvement in Auburn University operations. If that is true, there is a firestorm headed toward Auburn.
the PLOI is to tell you they have begun an investigation. We got ours in early 03 and things didn't conclude until late 04. If you read ours, its says "this is to inform you that we have begun an investigation..."
I think its called something different now though.
I think its called something different now though.
John Bond probably has dozens of interview requests for ASAP after the FBI inquisition. How he handles those will be telling for Auburn. If he's allowed to tell what went on in the meeting, it's good for Auburn. If they asked him to not speak to the media for the time being, Auburn's got more reason to worry.
Getting $$$ to play........ Unless that money is tied to their ongoing investigation into corrupt alabama politicians and auburn boosters. Over which wire taps just so happened to catch conversations involving Cecil and how he would receive his casino chips. Someone leaks Cam info to New York Times, FBI realizes that this is the same Cecil newton they have recorded on pbone conversations. John Bond, Kenny Rogers, and Bill Bell speak of conversations with Cecil some of which are believed to be recorded, others voicemails. FBI needs key witnesses in their investigation. In comes John Bond interview. It appears to be coincidence that we turned in allegations at the same time auburn boosters were being investigated on a separate issue by the FBI. Cam getting busted is just a side product of the bigger corruption picture in Auburn that we had no initial idea of. The dots are slowly being connected to the FBI, John Bond, and phone conversations. Just hope we didn't offer any money in those recordings. Gonna be interesting and can't wait for the movie.
I don't beleive the FBI is investigating "pay to play" ... shirley they are focusing on FBI stuff, whatever that may be, but I just can't see them worried about AU buying a player .... I think they are there due to other matters way off our radar screen .... lot of crazy alabama politics, gambling, and maybe to many cousins that are related over there, but I bet there is little intrest in newton
..are at biblical proportions.
My theory: Since the Josh Luchs tell-all article, the NFLPA has gotten serious about shady dealings between agents and college players. They don't have subpoena power though, so they asked the FBI to help out.
That story isn't as fun.. I know. But I don't buy for a second all that crap posted on Tigerdroppings.
My theory: Since the Josh Luchs tell-all article, the NFLPA has gotten serious about shady dealings between agents and college players. They don't have subpoena power though, so they asked the FBI to help out.
That story isn't as fun.. I know. But I don't buy for a second all that crap posted on Tigerdroppings.
Maybe.<div>
</div><div>There is a possibility that the large tangled web is the basis of the investigation. There is a possibility that while investigating that situation they have taped information via phone taps and wires. And there's a possibility that the FBI is gathering evidence and witness statements to enable additional charges to leverage the parties involved who have been mentioned in the Alabama gaming conspiracy, who are already indicted.</div><div>
</div><div>But, there is also the possibility that the FBI is interested in the human trafficking issues that have been discussed, surrounding player agents and pay-for-placement schemes. This in itself would potentially involve wire fraud, mail fraud, tax evasion, money laundering and other nifty Federal crimes.</div><div>
</div><div>As of this moment, I tend to think it's just the latter, based on the principles of occam's razor. Though, I'm open to the possibility of the former.</div>
</div><div>There is a possibility that the large tangled web is the basis of the investigation. There is a possibility that while investigating that situation they have taped information via phone taps and wires. And there's a possibility that the FBI is gathering evidence and witness statements to enable additional charges to leverage the parties involved who have been mentioned in the Alabama gaming conspiracy, who are already indicted.</div><div>
</div><div>But, there is also the possibility that the FBI is interested in the human trafficking issues that have been discussed, surrounding player agents and pay-for-placement schemes. This in itself would potentially involve wire fraud, mail fraud, tax evasion, money laundering and other nifty Federal crimes.</div><div>
</div><div>As of this moment, I tend to think it's just the latter, based on the principles of occam's razor. Though, I'm open to the possibility of the former.</div>
Well before Luch's 15 minutes. Please read the indictment 64 page PDF if you think tigerdroppings has no validity. This thing is bigger than CN. He and reverend Cecil just got caught in the crossfire. Ha ha. You eventually get what you deserve. He should have just come to state like a normal players and his money would come this spring. But be had to be greedy and get caught up in a cluster17 that was being investigated well before he left Blinn.
Side note, the New York times caught wind of this a week before it came out because they were posted up in the Clarion Ledger office a few days before camgate broke. Is there any coincidence that they caught wind right after the indictment came down on the corrupt Alabama politicians? I think not. And I have a valid source in the CL so I know they were there and pissed when ESPN broke camgate.
Side note, the New York times caught wind of this a week before it came out because they were posted up in the Clarion Ledger office a few days before camgate broke. Is there any coincidence that they caught wind right after the indictment came down on the corrupt Alabama politicians? I think not. And I have a valid source in the CL so I know they were there and pissed when ESPN broke camgate.
The NCAA is going to go over all aspects of this case. They already have enough to get Auburn from what CAM / Cecil did with MSU. There is allot of other issues out their and probably several none of us have even talked about. Auburn was put on notice and they choose to play and move on. Auburn now knows they are going to get sanctions. The question is going to be
how much. That will depend upon if they find evidence of:
1. Payments to Cecil
2. Money to the booster club from the Mob / Gambling interests
3. Money to other players.....
4. Other items we don't know a damn thing about
how much. That will depend upon if they find evidence of:
1. Payments to Cecil
2. Money to the booster club from the Mob / Gambling interests
3. Money to other players.....
4. Other items we don't know a damn thing about
I've been aware of the Alabama casino conspiracy indictments long prior to reading about them on a blog site. There is no doubt that they exist and have significance for the named parties.<div>
</div><div>Relative to that, during the last 8 to 12 months there is no doubt that individuals named in the indictment and others have had their phones tapped. There isn't any argument that individuals were wearing wires for the Feds. You can also bet that the Feds have monitored all of the bank accounts, credit card accounts, etc., that belong to the named individuals. </div><div>
</div><div>I've experienced the perspective that I think Mr. Bond is experiencing. That of a voluntary interview. First, the FBI will inform Mr. Bond that he is entitled to an attorney. Mr. Bond has retained Mr. Abernathy, so I assume that he has that covered. The second thing the FBI will inform Mr. Bond is a glimpse of what they're investigating - they may not shed the full light on this, however. They will also likely state to Mr. Bond whether he is a target of the investigation, or whether they consider him as simply a witness to the events involved in the investigation.</div><div>
</div><div>They may inform Mr. Bond that they have already combed through his personal and business checking and credit card information for forensic evidence. Whether they inform him or not, you can bet they already have combed all.</div><div>
</div><div>Then they will tell Mr. Bond that they're going to ask him a series of questions (on video), and they know the answers to some of the questions, and they don't know the answers to some of the questions. Yet, Mr. Bond won't know which they know the answer to and which they don't. They will also remind Mr. Bond that it's a Federal felony to lie to the FBI. They may have transcript of phone calls or voice recordings that they ask Mr. Bond questions about. They may not.</div><div>
</div><div>And at the conclusion of the interview, they will likely say what I said on an earlier post: We are conducting a Federal investigation into a number of things. You may speak to whomever you wish, but understand that if your statements jeopardize the integrity of our investigation, then you will open yourself up to obstruction of justice charges. </div><div>
</div><div>If Mr. Bond is considered a material witness to any eventual attempt at Federal charges, then the Feds will stay in touch with him and his attorney and prep him prior to the convening of a Federal Grand Jury.</div><div>
</div><div>The Feds don't hold press conferences in the middle of investigations. They leak information to the press that they want to leak. They correct misinformation with the press, as it needs corrected. </div><div>
</div><div>All that said, my original point is that I'm open to the possibility that McGregor and his criminal web had the Cam Newton fly trapped in the corner of it. But at this juncture, I'm not yet certain of that, as some of you are. For there is also the possibility that any alleged pay-for-play issue with Cam Newton was outside the conspiracy circle that was involved in the existing casino conspiracy indictments...and the Feds who are interested in investigating where Federal laws may have been broken are limiting their investigation to the matters involving agents steering players to schools for cash, only.</div><div>
</div><div>If it's more, I'd be pleased. I'm just not convinced it is, yet.</div>
</div><div>Relative to that, during the last 8 to 12 months there is no doubt that individuals named in the indictment and others have had their phones tapped. There isn't any argument that individuals were wearing wires for the Feds. You can also bet that the Feds have monitored all of the bank accounts, credit card accounts, etc., that belong to the named individuals. </div><div>
</div><div>I've experienced the perspective that I think Mr. Bond is experiencing. That of a voluntary interview. First, the FBI will inform Mr. Bond that he is entitled to an attorney. Mr. Bond has retained Mr. Abernathy, so I assume that he has that covered. The second thing the FBI will inform Mr. Bond is a glimpse of what they're investigating - they may not shed the full light on this, however. They will also likely state to Mr. Bond whether he is a target of the investigation, or whether they consider him as simply a witness to the events involved in the investigation.</div><div>
</div><div>They may inform Mr. Bond that they have already combed through his personal and business checking and credit card information for forensic evidence. Whether they inform him or not, you can bet they already have combed all.</div><div>
</div><div>Then they will tell Mr. Bond that they're going to ask him a series of questions (on video), and they know the answers to some of the questions, and they don't know the answers to some of the questions. Yet, Mr. Bond won't know which they know the answer to and which they don't. They will also remind Mr. Bond that it's a Federal felony to lie to the FBI. They may have transcript of phone calls or voice recordings that they ask Mr. Bond questions about. They may not.</div><div>
</div><div>And at the conclusion of the interview, they will likely say what I said on an earlier post: We are conducting a Federal investigation into a number of things. You may speak to whomever you wish, but understand that if your statements jeopardize the integrity of our investigation, then you will open yourself up to obstruction of justice charges. </div><div>
</div><div>If Mr. Bond is considered a material witness to any eventual attempt at Federal charges, then the Feds will stay in touch with him and his attorney and prep him prior to the convening of a Federal Grand Jury.</div><div>
</div><div>The Feds don't hold press conferences in the middle of investigations. They leak information to the press that they want to leak. They correct misinformation with the press, as it needs corrected. </div><div>
</div><div>All that said, my original point is that I'm open to the possibility that McGregor and his criminal web had the Cam Newton fly trapped in the corner of it. But at this juncture, I'm not yet certain of that, as some of you are. For there is also the possibility that any alleged pay-for-play issue with Cam Newton was outside the conspiracy circle that was involved in the existing casino conspiracy indictments...and the Feds who are interested in investigating where Federal laws may have been broken are limiting their investigation to the matters involving agents steering players to schools for cash, only.</div><div>
</div><div>If it's more, I'd be pleased. I'm just not convinced it is, yet.</div>
I should be clear that my voluntary interview was conducted on another case years ago. I didn't mean to imply that I was interviewed in any of the cases at hand. Though the procedure is likely the same.