Can Miller Shoot?

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I really don't remember him taking shots from mid range or a 3 ball... though i seem to recall that he tried a layup or two.

Since Miller plays good D and Caleb is an unknown for date of return, imo Miller would make the most sense to fill in and provide minutes off the bench, if he wasn't
an Offensive Zero.

Otherwise Miller time ....will be Simpson time.

MO
 

jerseybird

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I really don't remember him taking shots from mid range or a 3 ball... though i seem to recall that he tried a layup or two.

Since Miller plays good D and Caleb is an unknown for date of return, imo Miller would make the most sense to fill in and provide minutes off the bench, if he wasn't
an Offensive Zero.

Otherwise Miller time ....will be Simpson time.

MO
Simpson and Miller are the fastest guards on the team. Time to give them the go-ahead to drive & dish. On the kickout, get it to the 3-point shooter with a maximum of two passes.
 

mildone_rivals

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I really don't remember him taking shots from mid range or a 3 ball... though i seem to recall that he tried a layup or two.

Since Miller plays good D and Caleb is an unknown for date of return, imo Miller would make the most sense to fill in and provide minutes off the bench, if he wasn't
an Offensive Zero.

Otherwise Miller time ....will be Simpson time.

MO
He's obviously not a pure shooter. But he's a good athlete so he can shoot.

Seems to me that the difference between good and not-so-good shooters is the right blend of confidence, composure, focus, and situational awareness. Seeing some of his misses make me think he just needs to gain a little composure which in turn will help with focus while shooting and then everything could fall into place.
 

ClassOf02v.2

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He's obviously not a pure shooter. But he's a good athlete so he can shoot.

Seems to me that the difference between good and not-so-good shooters is the right blend of confidence, composure, focus, and situational awareness, and game reps. Seeing some of his misses make me think he just needs to gain a little composure which in turn will help with focus while shooting and then everything could fall into place.
Added one ingredient to the recipe, and a big one IMO. Something he doesn’t have much of, unfortunately.
 

MLBash93

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Nope, he can't shoot. If you watch his form, the ball rotation is off, he hasn't hit more than maybe 2 jumpers in 2 seasons. He is a net negative when on the court.
 
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MLBash93

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He's obviously not a pure shooter. But he's a good athlete so he can shoot.

Seems to me that the difference between good and not-so-good shooters is the right blend of confidence, composure, focus, and situational awareness. Seeing some of his misses make me think he just needs to gain a little composure which in turn will help with focus while shooting and then everything could fall into place.
He is not game reps away from being a competent shooter, he is shooting ability away. Watch him in warm ups, its a broken jumper
 

itsRtime

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I don't believe his defense is really that strong. He is a pest yes, but has been out of position several times when he's been in and given up open three pointers going under screens. Combined with his total lack of offense, he's useless as a B1G player. I'd give all minutes to Simpson instead.
 

mildone_rivals

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Added one ingredient to the recipe, and a big one IMO. Something he doesn’t have much of, unfortunately.
Yeah, more time in games would probably help him calm down. Especially against early season opponents where the competition is weaker so he can build confidence.
 

mildone_rivals

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He is not game reps away from being a competent shooter, he is shooting ability away. Watch him in warm ups, its a broken jumper
Well that's on the coaching staff, if true. I wrestled in HS and couldn't shoot a ball worth a damn until I started playing after college. I had to develop decent form and then practice the crap out of it to become a reasonable shooter. And I had guys help me develop the correct technique.

Shooting a basketball isn't rocket science and can be coached. Being a really good shooter requires the things I mentioned.
 

kcg88

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I don't believe his defense is really that strong. He is a pest yes, but has been out of position several times when he's been in and given up open three pointers going under screens. Combined with his total lack of offense, he's useless as a B1G player. I'd give all minutes to Simpson instead.
Yeah, this was my take coming into the season. Kind of the same way Montez Mathis was where he's active but as John Wooden said "don't mistake activity for achievement." Last year his energy was needed because certain other players were clearly not putting in the effort level Pikiell wanted on defense. That hasn't been an issue this year.
 
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billgumpper

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I really don't remember him taking shots from mid range or a 3 ball... though i seem to recall that he tried a layup or two.

Since Miller plays good D and Caleb is an unknown for date of return, imo Miller would make the most sense to fill in and provide minutes off the bench, if he wasn't
an Offensive Zero.

Otherwise Miller time ....will be Simpson time.

MO
No, he has no offensive game what so ever
 

BillyC80

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Miller has regressed defensively which is more concerning since that was supposed to be his strong point. He seems to have added weight and doesn't seem to be as quick as last year
Was just about to post this exact comment, almost verbatim. I used to be a big supporter of Miller, for his effort alone. Now he seems to have lost a step. The quickness and intensity just isn’t the same, and yes, he has put on some weight which appears to be having a negative impact on his game.
 
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FIJI'83

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Following season Pike needs to sit down with Miller and gently inform that there will not be a scholarship available for him next season. Then, use the schollie in the portal to bring in another big.
 

RUSCFORMERLYRULOU

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Following season Pike needs to sit down with Miller and gently inform that there will not be a scholarship available for him next season. Then, use the schollie in the portal to bring in another big.
You hate to do that to a kid. I don’t think he’s even that great defensively either. Not Souf Mensah but not much of an upgrade from him Unforunately.
 

rufeelinit

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Following season Pike needs to sit down with Miller and gently inform that there will not be a scholarship available for him next season. Then, use the schollie in the portal to bring in another big.
Aren’t we already 1 over for next year with 3 signed commits and only Caleb out of eligibility?

Simpson gets all the minutes he can handle if the alternative is Miller.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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I don't believe his defense is really that strong. He is a pest yes, but has been out of position several times when he's been in and given up open three pointers going under screens. Combined with his total lack of offense, he's useless as a B1G player. I'd give all minutes to Simpson instead.
I commented somewhere else about players getting stuck between doubling-down and staying with a man/zone.. Miller is often guilty. And in the last game so was Paul.. who is usually more decisive. Doubling-down and failing to cause a turnover and your man is open and scores.. that's one thing.. but getting stuck where you are doing neither? Just stop doubling-down if you cannot handle the choice.
 

richthedentist

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I don't believe his defense is really that strong. He is a pest yes, but has been out of position several times when he's been in and given up open three pointers going under screens. Combined with his total lack of offense, he's useless as a B1G player. I'd give all minutes to Simpson instead.
100% correct he’s not even good on defense and when he’s in we are playing 4 v 5
 

MiloTalon13

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The coaching staff sees him shoot every day in practice.
Having another player who can provide decent defense and shooting would be valuable for our team.
Miller plays very few minutes and almost never shoots.
Those dots are easy to connect.
 

kcg88

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You tough-guy sofa coaches talking about how Pike needs to sit Miller down crack me up. Y'all be sure to send Pike emails with all your instructions for how he should talk to his players. 🤣
Fans on a message board speculating about future rosters? What a wild concept.
 
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kcg88

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I said nothing whatsoever about speculation on future rosters. Go read my post again.
The post you replied to was saying that Pikiell needs to have the talk with Miller. How is that not speculation on whether or not he should be back?
 

mildone_rivals

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The post you replied to was saying that Pikiell needs to have the talk with Miller. How is that not speculation on whether or not he should be back?
Read closer.

I'm, gently I thought, mocking people for stating what Pike "needs to do". What makes any fan think they are qualified to tell any D1 coach what he should or shouldn't do w/respect to his players or the roster? It's laughable when we do that sort of thing.

I do it myself, sometimes, speaking out my *** about what I think should happen. As if I have a clue. And I can laugh at myself about it. If people can't laugh at themselves about such stuff, then I'd suggest they might possibly be taking themselves a wee bit too seriously.

Pike has forgotten more, in the last 5 minutes, than I, or 99.99% of the rest of you, will ever know about running the RU CBB team. If we were so qualified, we'd be the ones making millions coaching instead of him.

And that's what makes the idea of fans on the internet stating what he should do so laughable.
 
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kcg88

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Read closer.

I'm, gently I thought, mocking people for stating what Pike "needs to do". What makes any fan think they are qualified to tell any D1 coach what he should or shouldn't do w/respect to his players or the roster? It's laughable when we do that sort of thing.

I do it myself, sometimes, speaking out my *** about what I think should happen. As if I have a clue. And I can laugh at myself about it. If people can't laugh at themselves about such stuff, then I'd suggest they might possibly be taking themselves a wee bit too seriously.

Pike has forgotten more, in the last 5 minutes, than I, or 99.99% of the rest of you, will ever know about running the RU CBB team. If we were so qualified, we'd be the ones making millions coaching instead of him.

And that's what makes the idea of fans on the internet stating what he should do so laughable.
I think we all recognize that. I don't think it's laughable, I think it's just what fans do.
 

MLBash93

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I think we all recognize that. I don't think it's laughable, I think it's just what fans do.
Unfortunately, you aren't allowed to take scarlet colored glasses off when it comes to @mildone as I have seen countless times. He is just a glass half full kinda guy with every player 1-15.

He is the type that would tell you if Aiden Terry put on 25 pounds he could get a few minutes per game.

He is the type to tell you that Souf Mensah just needed more time to adjust to being in America.

He is the type to tell you that Noah Vedral's grit and leadership really could overcome his lack of arm talent to win us games.

Now he is saying that Jalen Miller, who has pretty much given us 2 back to back seasons of Souf Mensah level contributions is just more playing time away from developing into a competent big 10 offensive player.

I agree with his point of saying Pike needs to do x,y and z.
We can speculate who may stay and who may be forced out, but if you suggest it, you are a bad person in the eyes of Mildone.

When its all said and done we are likely not wrong fwiw.
 
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mildone_rivals

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I think we all recognize that. I don't think it's laughable, I think it's just what fans do.
Fair enough. I find lots of stuff hilarious that other people don't. We humans are a never-ending source of hilarity to me, myself included.

To borrow a phrase from my favorite book, I lack high seriousness. šŸ˜€
 

mildone_rivals

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Unfortunately, you aren't allowed to take scarlet colored glasses off when it comes to @mildone as I have seen countless times. He is just a glass half full kinda guy with every player 1-15.

He is the type that would tell you if Aiden Terry put on 25 pounds he could get a few minutes per game.

He is the type to tell you that Souf Mensah just needed more time to adjust to being in America.

He is the type to tell you that Noah Vedral's grit and leadership really could overcome his lack of arm talent to win us games.

Now he is saying that Jalen Miller, who has pretty much given us 2 back to back seasons of Souf Mensah level contributions is just more playing time away from developing into a competent big 10 offensive player.

I agree with his point of saying Pike needs to do x,y and z.
We can speculate who may stay and who may be forced out, but if you suggest it, you are a bad person in the eyes of Mildone.

When its all said and done we are likely not wrong fwiw.
Very creative post. Completely inaccurate in every sentence, which is impressive, actually.

But very creative. 🤣
 

mildone_rivals

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You defended Vedral until blue in the face. He was the worst starting qb in d1
You want me to feel bad because I prefer to support our players rather than attack them? Really?

I'm surely gonna lose lots of sleep over that particular condemnation of my character. Ooooh! That damn mildone. Always being nice and refusing to tear down our players! 🤣

I'll often defend ALL our players at any position, especially when they're unfairly blamed for stuff (which happens all the time). I prefer to be that sort of fan rather than the childishly angry type that likes lobbing insults at players on the internet.

I don't like to predict the future, but I think it'll probably be a little while before I apologize for my approach. šŸ˜‰