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wicker

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Irreparable harm is a tough sell. I doubt any setbacks from missing the tournament would NEVER be fixed.

And seeking an injunction to stop the tournament and let RU in is a great way to get the American sporting public on your side. And here we thought skipping the NIT was audacious
 
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MoreCowbellRU

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rutgersal said:
Looking forward to it, but It is the answer because Rutgers has been harmed because the tourney selection criteria is flawed.

This process is supposed to determine the 36 best at large conference teams. That is the operational question: Is Rutgers once of the 36 best.

The strength of our conference wins, such as beating Penn Stare twice, Maryland once, Purdue once, and many others should have been sufficient to include Rutgers.
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The process is designed to create the most buzz, reinforce the status of those that have it and to make the most money for all involved. It is not (as now constituted) to find the 36 best teams. Which is in itself subjective.

If that was the case, there would be objective criteria laid out before the season begins. All the grey areas and subjective decisions are a feature, not a bug.

I can understand you feeling the way you do about the situation. I just disagree.

Look forward to seeing you @ the stadium brother.🍺🍺
 
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rutgersal_rivals139582

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wicker said:
Irreparable harm is a tough sell. I doubt any setbacks from missing the tournament would NEVER be fixed.

And seeking an injunction to stop the tournament and let RU in is a great way to get the American sporting public on your side. And here we thought skipping the NIT was audacious
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Irreparable harm is obviously not permanent. It could affect the ‘25 kids. Hobbs knows we were jobbed but has decided not to take any further action. He pretty much said so on the podcast.
 
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rutgersal_rivals139582

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MoreCowbellRU said:
The process is designed to create the most buzz, reinforce the status of those that have it and to make the most money for all involved. It is not (as now constituted) to find the 36 best teams. Which is in itself subjective.

If that was the case, there would be objective criteria laid out before the season begins. All the grey areas and subjective decisions are a feature, not a bug.

I can understand you feeling the way you do about the situation. I just disagree.

Look forward to seeing you @ the stadium brother.🍺🍺
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Right on the NCAAs website, it says the
NCAAs policy is to find the 36 best at large teams:

The committee selects the 36 best teams not otherwise automatic qualifiers for their conference to fill the at-large berths. There is no limit on the number of at-large teams the committee may select from one conference;


Hobbs said the committee was supposed to count the osu game as a win, the one which was previously counted as a loss. So the committee effectively chose other teams over a 20 win Big Ten Team. Leaving us ut was especially egregious because our SOS was competitive.
 
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-RUFAN4LIFE-

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rutgersal said:
Irreparable harm is obviously not permanent. It could affect the ‘25 kids. Hobbs knows we were jobbed but has decided not to take any further action. He pretty much said so on the podcast.
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Unlike you Pat doesn't want to turn the school into a laughingstock. Take the hint from Pat.
 
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brucelaw8

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rutgersal said:
Looking forward to it, but It is the answer because Rutgers has been harmed because the tourney selection criteria is flawed.

This process is supposed to determine the 36 best at large conference teams. That is the operational question: Is Rutgers once of the 36 best.

The strength of our conference wins, such as beating Penn Stare twice, Maryland once, Purdue once, and many others should have been sufficient to include Rutgers.
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So get to it Al.File the lawsuit.No need to serve immediately.Great publicity for ya.No lawyer necessary.You seem to have it figured out(in your mind?)
 
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Bethlehemjohn

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rutgersal said:
- Season ticket holders have standing, I think

- File a class action lawsuit and invite Rutgers to join.

- File an Emergency Injunction to postpone the Tournament until our case is resolved

- Subpoena the minutes that went into the deliberations that determined who was included and why

- The NCAA process is arbitrary, capricious, and unfair because lesser teams were chosen ahead of us

- Most impartial bracketologists had Rutgers in the tournament

- The NCAA improperly considered a recent injury to a player and our recent swoon as reasons to exclude us.

- Ask the court to add Rutgers to the tournament
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That is exactly why they shouldn’t have been picked. Rutgers was not a good team or an NCAA team without Mag. If he didn’t get hurt, they would have made the tournament.
 
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Bethlehemjohn said:
That is exactly why they shouldn’t have been picked. Rutgers was not a good team or an NCAA team without Mag. If he didn’t get hurt, they would have made the tournament.
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You made your account in 2001, let it sit for almost 22 years, and this is your first post? What is going on here?
 
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TheHandOfChaos

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rutgersal said:
- Season ticket holders have standing, I think

- File a class action lawsuit and invite Rutgers to join.

- File an Emergency Injunction to postpone the Tournament until our case is resolved

- Subpoena the minutes that went into the deliberations that determined who was included and why

- The NCAA process is arbitrary, capricious, and unfair because lesser teams were chosen ahead of us

- Most impartial bracketologists had Rutgers in the tournament

- The NCAA improperly considered a recent injury to a player and our recent swoon as reasons to exclude us.

- Ask the court to add Rutgers to the tournament
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If you will share with me the original "Only Rutgers got Jersey Power" recording, I will file this lawsuit for you.
 
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MoreCowbellRU

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rutgersal said:
Right on the NCAAs website, it says the
NCAAs policy is to find the 36 best at large teams:

The committee selects the 36 best teams not otherwise automatic qualifiers for their conference to fill the at-large berths. There is no limit on the number of at-large teams the committee may select from one conference;


Hobbs said the committee was supposed to count the osu game as a win, the one which was previously counted as a loss. So the committee effectively chose other teams over a 20 win Big Ten Team. Leaving us ut was especially egregious because our SOS was competitive.
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Al,
I said I agree with your feelings on the subject. You don't have to convince me. Take yes for an answer. The lawsuit thing is over the top. Well...maybe not for you 😂😂. Which is why we love your posts.

Your fatal mistake is believing what is written by the NCAA. What is said and what is done are 2 completely different things.
What does the committee always do? Everything I described in my last post.

What does the committee and NCAA say? (insert Peanuts cartoon adult voices here) Complete babbling ********.

Watch actions. Don't listen to the words.

Fairness was never in the cards. It's their show and we didn't get cast this year. Simple as that.
 
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TheB1GTerp

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rutgersal said:
- Season ticket holders have standing, I think

- File a class action lawsuit and invite Rutgers to join.

- File an Emergency Injunction to postpone the Tournament until our case is resolved

- Subpoena the minutes that went into the deliberations that determined who was included and why

- The NCAA process is arbitrary, capricious, and unfair because lesser teams were chosen ahead of us

- Most impartial bracketologists had Rutgers in the tournament

- The NCAA improperly considered a recent injury to a player and our recent swoon as reasons to exclude us.

- Ask the court to add Rutgers to the tournament
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I am as pissed as anyone not affiliated with Rutgers, the selection committee is so full of crap, but what you're suggesting is insane.
 
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PSU_Nut_rivals17625

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1. I am sure Al is not the first idiot to suggest this and I am sure the NCAA has language in their bylaws saying decisions of championship committees are final and agreeing not to seek legal challenges.

2. The courts have ruled that being a season ticket holder doesn’t give one standing. They rules that you aren’t a third party contract which is needed to have standing and prove damages. Fans have tried to sue before when teams have moved. Essentially they said that the fulfillment of that contract happens during the season but doesn’t entitle you to perceived future benefits.
 
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NickRU714

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PSU_Nut said:
1. I am sure Al is not the first idiot to suggest this and I am sure the NCAA has language in their bylaws saying decisions of championship committees are final and agreeing not to seek legal challenges.

2. The courts have ruled that being a season ticket holder doesn’t give one standing. They rules that you aren’t a third party contract which is needed to have standing and prove damages. Fans have tried to sue before when teams have moved. Essentially they said that the fulfillment of that contract happens during the season but doesn’t entitle you to perceived future benefits.
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Interesting on #2.
Wonder how that would impact multi-year contracts. For example, I believe the Rutgers Audi Club is a 3 year contract.

If the team moved (humor me on a college moving), could you then sue?
 
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PSU_Nut_rivals17625

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NickRU714 said:
Interesting on #2.
Wonder how that would impact multi-year contracts. For example, I believe the Rutgers Audi Club is a 3 year contract.

If the team moved (humor me on a college moving), could you then sue?
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I think you would but the tough part is proving real damages. If they didn’t refund you certainly that would be real damages.

What would be interesting is let’s say you have contract for football and Rutgers shocked the world and won a national title. Then in a move to monetize they decide to pull all the contracts and redo them all with higher donation requirements.
You could argue your real damages now would be the higher requirements. Since the school put a new value on them.
 
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NotInRHouse_anon

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One thing I will say

We'd never win but it would be worth it if we could get to discovery

Because everyone knows some putz from a no name conference absolutely put in writing somewhere that they didn't want 9 B1G teams. And that would open a really nice can of worms
 
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rutgersal said:
- Season ticket holders have standing, I think

- File a class action lawsuit and invite Rutgers to join.

- File an Emergency Injunction to postpone the Tournament until our case is resolved

- Subpoena the minutes that went into the deliberations that determined who was included and why

- The NCAA process is arbitrary, capricious, and unfair because lesser teams were chosen ahead of us

- Most impartial bracketologists had Rutgers in the tournament

- The NCAA improperly considered a recent injury to a player and our recent swoon as reasons to exclude us.

- Ask the court to add Rutgers to the tournament
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Happens every year. That said, 11 seeds don't win the tournamnet.
 
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rutgersal said:
- Season ticket holders have standing, I think

- File a class action lawsuit and invite Rutgers to join.

- File an Emergency Injunction to postpone the Tournament until our case is resolved

- Subpoena the minutes that went into the deliberations that determined who was included and why

- The NCAA process is arbitrary, capricious, and unfair because lesser teams were chosen ahead of us

- Most impartial bracketologists had Rutgers in the tournament

- The NCAA improperly considered a recent injury to a player and our recent swoon as reasons to exclude us.

- Ask the court to add Rutgers to the tournament
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He’s clearly trying to get on the Message Board Genius twitter feed.
 
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rutgersal said:
- Season ticket holders have standing, I think

- File a class action lawsuit and invite Rutgers to join.

- File an Emergency Injunction to postpone the Tournament until our case is resolved

- Subpoena the minutes that went into the deliberations that determined who was included and why

- The NCAA process is arbitrary, capricious, and unfair because lesser teams were chosen ahead of us

- Most impartial bracketologists had Rutgers in the tournament

- The NCAA improperly considered a recent injury to a player and our recent swoon as reasons to exclude us.

- Ask the court to add Rutgers to the tournament
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Your move, counselor...
 
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RedTeam1994

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There is long -established case law that if you lose in the first round of the NIT at home you lose standing to sue the NCAA for not including you in the Dance

It was first established in NCAA v Stfualuranidiot and again at the appellate level in NCAA v Lookatmelookatme
 
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StevieB160

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And the NCAA calls Mr. Speedy Claxton to provide his testimony. Please step up to the stand and repeat after me, Mr Claxton.
 
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