Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

For the whole "Fant was the shittiest QB in history crowd" here's a sobering stat line and one that demonstrates what happens when you recruit OL after OL that you end up having to kick off your team or never makes it in school.

.....PLAYER ............SEASONS. PLAYS.. RUSH.. PASS.. TOTAL
1. Don Smith..........1983-86.. 1223.. 1868.... 5229.. 7097
2. John Bond .........1980-83.. 1237.. 2280.... 4621.. 6901
3. Wayne Madkin ..1998-01.. 1121 ....146 ......6336.. 6482
4. Kevin Fant ........2000-03... 635 ...(-207) ...5631.. 5424
5. Derrick Taite .....1993-96 ...924 ....173 ......5232.. 5405

 

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

For the whole "Fant was the shittiest QB in history crowd" here's a sobering stat line and one that demonstrates what happens when you recruit OL after OL that you end up having to kick off your team or never makes it in school.

.....PLAYER ............SEASONS. PLAYS.. RUSH.. PASS.. TOTAL
1. Don Smith..........1983-86.. 1223.. 1868.... 5229.. 7097
2. John Bond .........1980-83.. 1237.. 2280.... 4621.. 6901
3. Wayne Madkin ..1998-01.. 1121 ....146 ......6336.. 6482
4. Kevin Fant ........2000-03... 635 ...(-207) ...5631.. 5424
5. Derrick Taite .....1993-96 ...924 ....173 ......5232.. 5405

 

[Bulldog Backer]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

...probably more than any other QB in MSU history. It is a wonder he wasn't maimed and injured for life.

 

[8dog]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

Fant, not nearly as much. And Im not sure if they counted sacks against rushing yards when Taite was there.

 

[futaba.79]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

here's a buy/sell. Our QBs collectively end up with negative rushing yds this fall.

I'll freaking buy.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

..& the reason I am apart of that crowd is because, unlike you, I actually took the 5 minutes to research the roster.

And upon conducting my 5 minutes of research, I found MSU has around 14 OL on the current roster.

Now, there is currently a thread on this board talking about how Mullen is going into spring training with 2 QB & 4 WR.

So you do the math: If you are going into spring training with 2 QB & WR, and you are going into spring training with well over a dozen OL, where is the true need?

 

[FlabLoser]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

...smokes everybody. Just damn... He'd have been the **** if he had an OL.

 

[futaba.79]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

I had no need to look at the roster, as I already knew who our lineman are. You having to look up our roster and highlight the OL tells me that you don't know all that much about our team.

We could have 25 OL on our squad and if only a couple of them are SEC quality, then OL is a glaring need. My position is that we have two that could play on some SEC teams and several that couldn't play on any.

Now if you want to argue that I'm wrong, go ahead and amaze me with your insight. </p>

 

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

MSU has around 14 OL on the current roster.

The Kansas City Royals are set to invite 60 players to spring training. They're my new pick to win the World Series!

 

[Rockdat2]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

Spring Training, are you serious.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

...on 2 points:

1st point: When you have around 14 OL already on the roster, you don't ignore severe needs like QB & WR & keep recruiting OL.

2nd point: The majority of our OL are either freshmen or red-shirt freshmen. (Again, you would know this if you would drop your gut feeling assessment & actually go study the roster).

And if you want to raise hell about freshmen OL not being able to dominate in the SEC, then you really don't know much about football.

Lastly, everybody praises the new coaches, but people like you still don't believe our coaches can take 16 OL (counting the 2 signed yesterday) & forge 8 of those 16 into SEC caliber players.

Any college coach that can't create 8 SEC level OL out of 16 to work with needs to be fired.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

MSU has around 14 OL on the current roster.

The Kansas City Royals are set to invite 60 players to spring training. They're my new pick to win the World Series!

..for: The Most Idiotic Analogy in the History of the Sixpack

 

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

...Here's the gist: I bet nearly EVERY college roster has about as many OL's listed as we do. So why do some block better than others? Are you and Ronny saying it's all up to coaching? No God-given talent involved at all?

Just like the KC Royals will invite just as many players to spring training as everyone else. Think they'll win it all?

 

[futaba.79]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

anything at all like this:

And if you want to raise hell about freshmen OL not being able to dominate in the SEC, then you really don't know much about football.

I'm of the opinion that one of the keys to rebuidling this program is quality linemen. I think we needed to sign at least two or three more this spring, redshirt every OL we signed and then hope some of them are good enough to play their second year. Maybe you've heard of David Stewart, how about Floyd Womack? Jesse James? John James? Bill Sartin? Jason Wisner? All of these guys worked their way into the rotation as second year players. We need these types of players.

Any college coach that can't create 8 SEC level OL out of 16 to work with needs to be fired.

If you've recruited 16 mid major types, then you'll end up with 8 mid major types on your line. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[Todd4State]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

we may have quantity, but we have very little quality. We need qaulity AND quantity.

And I'm all for taking away some scholarships from some quantity and giving it to some quality o-linemen.

 

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

I did some more research... this damned internet machine is incredible, btw... Looks like Syracuse had on their roster this year:

60............Jim McKenzie....C......6-4...286...So..Springfield, PA / Saint Joseph's Prep
79............Dalton Phillips..C......6-3...278....Jr...Clancy, MT / Helena HS/Carroll College70
70............Ryan BartholomewOG6-3 290 So. Mitchville, MD / DeMatha
71............Adam Rosner...OG 6-6 303 So. Depew, N.Y. / Depew
75............Ryan Durand....OG 6-5 303 Sr. Leominster, MA / Saint Bernard's Prep
52............Ollie Haney...... OL 6-3 288 Rf. Clark, NJ / A.L. Johnson
65............Michael Kay......OL 6-2 281 Fr. Capitol Heights, MD / C.H. Flowers HS
76............Ian Allport........OL 6-4 300 Fr. Pulaski, N.Y. / Pulaski Central
64............Corey Chavers.OT 6-5 296 Sr. Jamesville, NY / Jamesville-Dewitt
72............Nick Lepak........OT 6-4 318 Fr. Auburn, NY / Auburn HS
73............Jonathan Meldrum...OT 6-5 303 So. Boise, ID / Landstown/Hargrave Military Academy
74............Nick Speller......OT 6-5 307 Fr. Baltimore, MD / Edmondson-Westside
77............Tucker Baumbach.....OT 6-5 307 So. Middletown, PA / Bishop McDevitt
78............Josh White.......OT 6-5 289 Rf. Salisbury, MD / Wicomico

My God! 14 offensive linemen!.... I bet they were fanfuckingtastic on offense this year!

Oh...... they were actually worse than us?

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

I had no need to look at the roster, as I already knew who our lineman are. You having to look up our roster and highlight the OL tells me that you don't know all that much about our team.

We could have 25 OL on our squad and if only a couple of them are SEC quality, then OL is a glaring need. My position is that we have two that could play on some SEC teams and several that couldn't play on any.

Now if you want to argue that I'm wrong, go ahead and amaze me with your insight.</p>

Bingo. Just because they are on the roster, doesn't mean they can play. And call me crazy, but you can probably tell a lot more about a guy's ability by watching him play than by looking up his measureables on a roster or Bulldog Backer's fantasy page.

Case in point. Croom always seemed to have a number of WR's on the roster.

 

[Ol Blue.sixpack]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

I did some more research... this damned internet machine is incredible, btw... Looks like Syracuse had on their roster this year:

60............Jim McKenzie....C......6-4...286...So..Springfield, PA / Saint Joseph's Prep
79............Dalton Phillips..C......6-3...278....Jr...Clancy, MT / Helena HS/Carroll College70
70............Ryan BartholomewOG6-3 290 So. Mitchville, MD / DeMatha
71............Adam Rosner...OG 6-6 303 So. Depew, N.Y. / Depew
75............Ryan Durand....OG 6-5 303 Sr. Leominster, MA / Saint Bernard's Prep
52............Ollie Haney...... OL 6-3 288 Rf. Clark, NJ / A.L. Johnson
65............Michael Kay......OL 6-2 281 Fr. Capitol Heights, MD / C.H. Flowers HS
76............Ian Allport........OL 6-4 300 Fr. Pulaski, N.Y. / Pulaski Central
64............Corey Chavers.OT 6-5 296 Sr. Jamesville, NY / Jamesville-Dewitt
72............Nick Lepak........OT 6-4 318 Fr. Auburn, NY / Auburn HS
73............Jonathan Meldrum...OT 6-5 303 So. Boise, ID / Landstown/Hargrave Military Academy
74............Nick Speller......OT 6-5 307 Fr. Baltimore, MD / Edmondson-Westside
77............Tucker Baumbach.....OT 6-5 307 So. Middletown, PA / Bishop McDevitt
78............Josh White.......OT 6-5 289 Rf. Salisbury, MD / Wicomico

My God! 14 offensive linemen!.... I bet they were fanfuckingtastic on offense this year!

Oh...... they were actually worse than us?

Ouch. I felt that all the way up here.

 

[BlindDawg]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

I don't have a dog in this fight. I see the point both sides are trying to make, but it looks like Syracuse has the same issues we do on the OL - not many upperclassmen and tons of young guys. So with that, how many OL did Syracuse sign yesterday? Isn't that what the argument is, that we should have signed more OL yesterday?

 

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

68 Jim Barrie OL 6-5 290 RSO SQ Tampa, Fla./Berkeley Preparatory
76 Marcus Gilbert OL 6-6 308 RSO 1L Fort Lauderdale, Fla./St. Thomas Aquinas
65 Brad Hiers OL 6-6 305 SR SQ Bartow/Bartow
79 Corey Hobbs OL 6-4 293 RSO SQ Oviedo, Fla./Oviedo
74 Maurice Hurt OL 6-3 310 RSO 1L Milledgeville, Ga./Baldwin
57 Carl Johnson OL 6-6 330 RSO 1L Durham, N.C./Southern
64 Kyle Newell OL 6-8 300 SR 2L Tampa/Chamberlain
63 Jim Tartt OL 6-3 315 RSR 3L Sopchoppy /Wakulla
75 Phil Trautwein OL 6-6 310 RSR 3L Voorhees, N.J./Eastern
77 Jason Watkins OL 6-6 310 RSR 3L Lakeland/Lake Gibson
55 Mike Pouncey OL 6-5 312 SO 1L Lakeland/Lakeland
56 Maurkice Pouncey OL 6-5 312 SO 1L Lakeland/Lakeland
66 James Wilson OL 6-5 315 RFR SQ St. Augustine/Nease
72 Shawn Schmieder OL 6-4 250 RFR SQ Jacksonville/Bishop John J. Snyder
61 Gary Beemer OL 6-0 285 RSO HS Valrico/Newsome
60 William Steinmann OL 6-5 275 FR HS Daytona Beach/Spruce Creek
50 Sam Robey OL 6-4 290 FR HS Louisville, Ky./Trinity
78 David Young OL 6-5 290 FR HS Edwardsville, Ill./Edwardsville
70 Ron Wilson OL 6-3 309 RJR 1L Pompano Beach/Blanche Ely
67 Jess Williams OL 6-1 295 FR HS Melbourne/Palm Bay
72 Byran Jones OL 6-3 305 FR HS Jacksonville/Nathan Bedford Forrest

That's 21 OL's by my count... What idiot coaching staff would carry 21 OL's? Huh.. I don't know. Maybe... FLORIDA?

 

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

*

 

[codeDawg]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

They, like us, did not recruit the ranks in a manner that have seniors, juniors, etc even. There are two seniors and a junior in that class.

 

[Xenomorph]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

*

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

They had a negative (appendages/organs at beginning of year) as apposed to (appendages/organs at end of year)

 

[Coach34]

Career leaders in Total Offense at MSU... something I'd never seen before.... Wow...

For the whole "Fant was the shittiest QB in history crowd" here's a sobering stat line and one that demonstrates what happens when you recruit OL after OL that you end up having to kick off your team or never makes it in school.

.....PLAYER ............SEASONS. PLAYS.. RUSH.. PASS.. TOTAL
1. Don Smith..........1983-86.. 1223.. 1868.... 5229.. 7097
2. John Bond .........1980-83.. 1237.. 2280.... 4621.. 6901
3. Wayne Madkin ..1998-01.. 1121 ....146 ......6336.. 6482
4. Kevin Fant ........2000-03... 635 ...(-207) ...5631.. 5424
5. Derrick Taite .....1993-96 ...924 ....173 ......5232.. 5405

anybody calling Fant a ****** QB really shows their ignorance...

Fant produced 5, 424 net yards in 635 plays
Madkin produced 6, 482 in 1,121 plays

That little nuggett tells you all you need to know