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I'd like to congratulate JCA, Nazareth and Loyola on a fantastic state championships. Also congrats to Montini and Brother Rice on successful seasons and really great championship games.

As an initial olive branch to my Catholic League brethren (from your weekly threads, I know you love to gamble), I am setting the o/u on next year's state championships for the new combined league at 1.5. Obviously would love to repeat the 3 this year...or even 4 which we were close to doing.

What are my fellow CCLers/ESCCers thinking?
 
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Chicago312

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Loyola only since they're always in the mix. Rice lose all offensive starters and alot on defense so no playoffs. Who gets moved up a class , Naz to 8A?
 
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ESCC fan said:
I'd like to congratulate JCA, Nazareth and Loyola on a fantastic state championships. Also congrats to Montini and Brother Rice on successful seasons and really great championship games.

As an initial olive branch to my Catholic League brethren (from your weekly threads, I know you love to gamble), I am setting the o/u on next year's state championships for the new combined league at 1.5. Obviously would love to repeat the 3 this year...or even 4 which we were close to doing.

What are my fellow CCLers/ESCCers thinking?
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Should be a very interesting couple of years. Whoever survives the conference will be battled tested come playoffs. I have a feeling everyone is going to have a very difficult time finding out of conference games down the road. God I hope District football never comes to be thou.

As far as repeats go some teams will be hurt heavy by graduation. It seems like some teams were very senior heavy. The question is who has the best core of junior starters coming back?
 
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pjjp

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Now that the season is over. Here's a question: how in the world did Naz get slotted in the "3rd" Division? They've lost two conference games the last two years, which was supposedly a big part of the formula. Finished 2nd in 6A in 2017 and won 7A this year. Yet, Rita (admittedly larger enrollment), Montini (smaller enrollment) and Provi (a bit larger enrollment) were placed in the "2nd" Division above Naz?

https://www.suntimeshighschoolsport...ic-east-suburban-catholic-divisions-revealed/
 
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I'm going to sound like a dick here but it seems Naz and JCA received cushy spots next year in their division and my guess it's what got them to agree. Marist is where they need to be but ND seemed to be placed too high.
 
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pjjp said:
Now that the season is over. Here's a question: how in the world did Naz get slotted in the "3rd" Division?
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It is one of those mysteries of life that will be discussed on these pages and some will speculate as to the why and wherefore, but the answer to your question will never be revealed.
 
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BretEpic

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So already people making up or searching for anti-Nazareth dirt. Can we enjoy one 24 hr span?
 
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Kevin JCHS 81

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refref01 said:
I'm going to sound like a dick here but it seems Naz and JCA received cushy spots next year in their division and my guess it's what got them to agree. Marist is where they need to be but ND seemed to be placed too high.
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That is a cushy base schedule for Naz and JCA now that I looked at more than JCA's.

JCA's won't be as cushy as it looks because they lose a lot to graduation, but have promising lower levels.

Naz's schedule does seem to be beneath them a little, they have a ton returning. I'm not sure that schedule will battle test them very well.
 
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bronco man said:
It is one of those mysteries of life that will be discussed on these pages and some will speculate as to the why and wherefore, but the answer to your question will never be revealed.
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To my understanding enrollment was loosely used to start with. But the teams were move around balance the divisions. That purpose was to try to qualify the most amount of the teams for the playoffs. They are also trying to save football programs in the smaller divisions.

Don’t look at the break down with division envy. If you look at it that way JCA is in the 4th division. JCA has a whole lot of state trophies. If you want a bigger challenge you can schedule someone like Marist week one. You will be able to schedule traditional rivals in week one and two. Week one Marist/BR game will now be week four. So they will free week one. SR plays JCA in a non-con game next year. After that you can pick them up too. After year one there is be a couple of changes. A lot of teams are in the second year of binding two year contracts.

I do see a problem with scheduling week one and two games. Outside of the above teams who is going to want to play Naz in non-con games in the future?

Welcome and congratulations on a great season!
 
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pjjp

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CCLGUY1964 said:
To my understanding enrollment was loosely used to start with. But the teams were move around balance the divisions. That purpose was to try to qualify the most amount of the teams for the playoffs. They are also trying to save football programs in the smaller divisions.
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Thanks for the input. It did seem as if there was some "massaging" of the stated formula.
 
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pjjp said:
Now that the season is over. Here's a question: how in the world did Naz get slotted in the "3rd" Division? They've lost two conference games the last two years, which was supposedly a big part of the formula. Finished 2nd in 6A in 2017 and won 7A this year. Yet, Rita (admittedly larger enrollment), Montini (smaller enrollment) and Provi (a bit larger enrollment) were placed in the "2nd" Division above Naz?

https://www.suntimeshighschoolsport...ic-east-suburban-catholic-divisions-revealed/
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Naz should at a minimum be in the Green but I am liking Mount Carmel back in the Blue!

With the combo of CCL/ESCC - it would have been great if they did 6 team divisions. Get Naz and Rita or Montini in the Blue!
 
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Kevin JCHS 81 said:
That is a cushy base schedule for Naz and JCA now that I looked at more than JCA's.

JCA's won't be as cushy as it looks because they lose a lot to graduation, but have promising lower levels.

Naz's schedule does seem to be beneath them a little, they have a ton returning. I'm not sure that schedule will battle test them very well.
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Trust me we were just as upset.
 
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flyerforlife said:
More likely 6A but borederline 5A
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Wow! I remember someone saying that the conference didn’t want them to petition up anymore, was there a reason given for not allowing them to petition up again?

My initial thought is the ESL could go on a run of multiple State titles in those classes.
 
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caravan8 said:
Wow! I remember someone saying that the conference didn’t want them to petition up anymore, was there a reason given for not allowing them to petition up again?

My initial thought is the ESL could go on a run of multiple State titles in those classes.
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Nothing is guaranteed in those classes. You still have to play and its some good teams in 5A and 6A. No reason given is all right now.
 
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flyerforlife said:
Nothing is guaranteed in those classes. You still have to play and its some good teams in 5A and 6A. No reason given is all right now.
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Agreed that nothing guaranteed (as we saw with Phillips this season) but ESL would enter as a heavy favorite in most seasons. Please keep us posted on if they ever give a reason. Loved seeing ESL last 2 seasons, and loved that they always looked for a way to challenge themselves in the schedule.
 
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Gene K.

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SOUTHSIDECFD said:
"Massaging" is what the City of Chicago does to test scores on promotional exams when they don't like the results.
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It used to be other factors such as race norming, etc (happened to me and now ruled discriminatory) but they got around it with meritorious promotions .
 
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CCLGUY1964 said:
To my understanding enrollment was loosely used to start with. But the teams were move around balance the divisions. That purpose was to try to qualify the most amount of the teams for the playoffs. They are also trying to save football programs in the smaller divisions.

Don’t look at the break down with division envy. If you look at it that way JCA is in the 4th division. JCA has a whole lot of state trophies. If you want a bigger challenge you can schedule someone like Marist week one. You will be able to schedule traditional rivals in week one and two. Week one Marist/BR game will now be week four. So they will free week one. SR plays JCA in a non-con game next year. After that you can pick them up too. After year one there is be a couple of changes. A lot of teams are in the second year of binding two year contracts.

I do see a problem with scheduling week one and two games. Outside of the above teams who is going to want to play Naz in non-con games in the future?

Welcome and congratulations on a great season!
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While I understand the motives I don’t like giving up traditional rivals. St. Rita opens with JCA and Richards as their two non-cons and gets LA and Montini the next two weeks. Then we play all suburban schools. No MC or BR. St. Rita had BR two years and row on the road and we were looking forward to hosting them next year. The schedule is too generic.

On the plus side it makes one hell of a wrestling and baseball conference.
 
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pjjp said:
Now that the season is over. Here's a question: how in the world did Naz get slotted in the "3rd" Division? They've lost two conference games the last two years, which was supposedly a big part of the formula. Finished 2nd in 6A in 2017 and won 7A this year. Yet, Rita (admittedly larger enrollment), Montini (smaller enrollment) and Provi (a bit larger enrollment) were placed in the "2nd" Division above Naz?

https://www.suntimeshighschoolsport...ic-east-suburban-catholic-divisions-revealed/
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Current rosters were taken into consideration....as in number of Jr.,So, Fr, playing now and probability of playing next year.
 
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weirdo0521 said:
Current rosters were taken into consideration....as in number of Jr.,So, Fr, playing now and probability of playing next year.
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Thanks for info, that makes much more sense than some of the theories that have been thrown around.
 
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tomloner said:
While I understand the motives I don’t like giving up traditional rivals. St. Rita opens with JCA and Richards as their two non-cons and gets LA and Montini the next two weeks. Then we play all suburban schools. No MC or BR. St. Rita had BR two years and row on the road and we were looking forward to hosting them next year. The schedule is too generic.

On the plus side it makes one hell of a wrestling and baseball conference.
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If the Sun-Times article is correct ALL your games are with suburban schools. And your motivation for BR is they only beat you by one score and are graduating all the starters.
 
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SOUTHSIDECFD said:
If the Sun-Times article is correct ALL your games are with suburban schools. And your motivation for BR is they only beat you by one score and are graduating all the starters.
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I am OK with this new set up to be honest. I like the fact that Rita will playing different teams in Benet, Don, and both Marian's. MC and SR should always be in the same division. Always. Not taking a break from LA next year, but not seeing BR is OK with me. BR has Marist. Since both are Augustinian schools, having PC and SR in the same division is good, too.
 
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LHSTigers94

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crusader_of_90 said:
If nothing in writing, then have Garrett Hoerner, district counsel, request in writing. If not, defer to bylaws of conference and IHSA. BYLAWS trump spoken words.
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It is a new bylaw that was voted on and will be enforced in 2019. No team in the conference can petition up in any sport.
 
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If there was a vote, then there is something in writing. At the very least, minutes of the meeting and some sort of ratification documentation.

@Bowie50 and other attorneys - are conferences made up of public schools subject to FOIA?
 
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