CCL Expansion
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I was not aware it was John Holecek's 100 th victory. Congratulations. I am fully aware of his accomplishments at LA. I was merely giving an opinion as to a 6 th team that could compete in the blue with the big 5.
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Went 5-4, beat GBrookN in 1st round, got MC (13-1, lost to Prospect in championship), lost, then in the Prep Bowl playoffs lost to Fenwick who they'd defeated a month earlier.
I feel like DoS in writing that.
In a perfect world you get one North and one south school to join (my choices would be St. Patrick and Marist). Have a 2 division north and south league with 6 teams....the last week they crossover based on standings: North: Loyola / Fenwick/ Marmion / St. Frank / Montini / St. Patrick, South: MC/Rice/Rita/Providence/DLS/Marist.
Then the rest of the schools are in an 8 team division: Laurence/Bmac/Iggy/AC/Leo/Depaul/Joes/and LFA
Then the rest of the schools are in an 8 team division: Laurence/Bmac/Iggy/AC/Leo/Depaul/Joes/and LFA
I agree on the St. Patrick and Marist addition. You could also just add STP to the Green and Marist to the Blue.
That works too, just thinking outside the box since it may be hard to get a new school and tell them by the way you are in the Blue. those last 2 divisions need to be combined no sense having a 3 team league like it is now
Too bad Beckman crashed out so rapidly. The TPTB at Illinois should have gotten Holocek a gig at a school like one of the UW-'s, Ferris State, or even Western Illinois and then be groomed to take over in Champaign by '18 or so.
I like the geography thing with some sizing
Marist-Rice-Rita-MC-DLS
JCA -Provy-Marian Cath-Benet-Francis
Naz-Laurence-Fenwick-Iggy-Montini
Pats-ND-Loyola-Carmel-MarianCC-Viator (6 teams)
BMac-Leo-St Joe-DePaul-Guerin
Marmion-ACC-LFA-IC-St Edward
Marist-Rice-Rita-MC-DLS
JCA -Provy-Marian Cath-Benet-Francis
Naz-Laurence-Fenwick-Iggy-Montini
Pats-ND-Loyola-Carmel-MarianCC-Viator (6 teams)
BMac-Leo-St Joe-DePaul-Guerin
Marmion-ACC-LFA-IC-St Edward
Make Guerins invite contingent on a coaching change otherwise AuCentCath gets that spot.
Thought I would resurrect this thread from the archives.
Is anyone out there able to report on any progress in the CCL expansion discussion?
Is anyone out there able to report on any progress in the CCL expansion discussion?
It's why i could never understand ramblin's opposition to a multiplier. The schools he claims he was fighting for are in a conference that forces them to play Mt. Carmel. Can't have that then say its unfair for DLS to play WWS. It's internally inconsistent.
8 teams is the perfect size to play everyone.
My question was, "what is the benefit to having a 10-team conference?" More specifically, with a 9-game season, how is a 10-team conference more beneficial to having an 8-team conference?
If I were a proponent of the CCL crossover games and an opponent of the multiplier, I agree -- that would be inconsistent. Sort of like being pro choice and anti death penalty, eh?
The truth of the matter is that I have consistently spoken out against CCL crossover mismatches.
Not only am I not a proponent of the CCL crossover games, I am no longer a proponent of the CCL in general, and I really haven't been for quite a while. Sure, I will boast about the CCL because it is Loyola's current conference... and because it is a competitive conference in terms of the level of football that is played by many of its teams. But, I would much rather have Loyola avoid competitive mismatches all the time...not just some of the time. I feel so strongly about that, that I would have no problem blowing up the CCL and starting over if doing so would produce such an outcome. You have to break an egg to make an omelette.
For a very long time, I have been proposing something different...anything different. Much of my rationale for doing so is because I loathe the crossover games. For a long time, I have proposed the creation of a mega private school conference because if there were more numbers of evenly matched teams, there would be no need for crossover games. I have also proposed the creation of the NIPL. Granted, the NIPL idea is born from my displeasure with the way that the IHSA has discriminated against private schools, but if the NIPL were in place, we could basically have the opportunity to start with a clean slate.
If the mega private conference or NIPL aren't in the cards, I'll take the district scheduling concept over what we have now. At least that way, any mismatches will be between schools with similar enrollments. I think it would be great for Loyola to be in a district with New Trier, MS, Stevenson, Glenbrook South, Evanston, etc.
In summation, your inability to understand my opposition to the multiplier because of its inconsistency with the CCL and its crossover games ignores my longstanding and public opposition to those games. Do you really not recall my frequent and vehement opposition right here on this very site to those games over the years? If that is the case and you do not recall, then you need to try loading up on vitamin B-12 or other memory enhancement supplements...or just pay closer attention. If that is not the case and you do remember my opposition to crossover mismatches, then why go to the trouble of writing a post that you know is a total non sequitur?
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As soon as he mentions the IHSA is discriminating against the private schools whatever else he says loses all credibilty as well... Just like his mega conference idea was tried and failed miserably...
You are correct. My mind was thinking of the traditional 7-game in conference opponents and scheduling 2 Out of Conference games. Sorry for the confusion on my part.
Re Ramblingman's district model that puts Loyola into a pub/pri conference with MS, Stevenson, et al,
Do the south side CCL Blues join the SWC?
Fen propabably ends up in the WS-Silver with Monty.
DLS, Iggy and GT/DPP probably go wherever Lane, Young and Payton are.
SL is a wild card (might be too good for the SSC, but would not do as well in the SWC or WSS). BMac might be a SWC (if a 3rd small division is created) or Southland.
St. Joe is Metro Suburban, \
Leo is in the smallest Illini CPS conference.
SF, ACA, and Marmion might solve either the DVC or U-8 odd# issue.
Do the south side CCL Blues join the SWC?
Fen propabably ends up in the WS-Silver with Monty.
DLS, Iggy and GT/DPP probably go wherever Lane, Young and Payton are.
SL is a wild card (might be too good for the SSC, but would not do as well in the SWC or WSS). BMac might be a SWC (if a 3rd small division is created) or Southland.
St. Joe is Metro Suburban, \
Leo is in the smallest Illini CPS conference.
SF, ACA, and Marmion might solve either the DVC or U-8 odd# issue.
Just to set the record straight, it's not my district model. Actually, it is a model that has been floated and defeated at the IHSA board level. And, as I understand it, there are no conferences, just districts based on geography and enrollment.
As far as playoffs go,
Anything that approaches what hockey and lacrosse do = good.
Anything that gives us a 9-0 CPS team with a #3 seed, or an imaginary line snaking through Naperville, or a proposal to triple-promote a team because someone can't beat them = bad.
Anything that approaches what hockey and lacrosse do = good.
Anything that gives us a 9-0 CPS team with a #3 seed, or an imaginary line snaking through Naperville, or a proposal to triple-promote a team because someone can't beat them = bad.
I liked your post despite your deplorable insults levied against myself.
You would have nothing to do if I didnt needle you every now and then.
That was basically an ally oop.
What's the imaginary line snaking thru Napertuckey? I get the CPS 3 seed but don't understand the snake reference.
Ahh ok that makes sense. Yes north south brackets not good. 1 thru 32 much better. Best would be some human input into the 1 thru 32 rankings. Example last year - how the heck can Homewood Flossmore be an 8 seed just because they lost one game against a good Brook team in the last regular season game?
I would have put them a 3 or 4 seed just behind the two or three remaining undefeated teams that were left.
If you thought those were deplorable insults, good thing you didn't see my first draft.
If you thought those were deplorable insults, good thing you didn't see my first draft.
I can imagine it.
The reality is the CCL and the ESCC should merge, not just for the benefit of football but for all sports. These are schools with basic common interest and by going with one voice, it will be stronger.
The new CCL would allow for greater diversity in scheduling and would also provide a better fit for geography. You could also have divisions where regulation and promotion is employed to give balance. It makes no sense for LA to play Leo, as much as I respect what they do there, when they are a better competitive and geographic fit for St. Pats, Viator or ND. If the Fenwicks and Viators of the world are afraid to step up, then they are not really committed and the league will fail eventually, given the things that are stacked against them by the IHSA.
LA alsost left the CCL a couple of years ago because of the difficulty in logistics and geography. If one of the strongest programs in the league with a substantial demographic profile is considering it what is the struggling school going to do?