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What are the paddock kitchen dorks using for the slicing and dicing portion of food prep? I've always been a Victorinoix guy, but I'd like an upgrade. Great entry level knife, btw. Although they keep bumping the price...

Been looking at this, but honestly, I'm going on looks alone at this point. Could use some advice...

 

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Just grabbed a set of Messermeister's with my stimulus check. They generally get better ratings than the majority of Henkel and Wusthof, but still German steel.. which for me the heaviness and thickness make me like it better than Japanese Steel... the website is still doing a 20% off $500 deal which is asick deal for great knives. Id check them out.

I have the Victronox and those are about as best you can get for entry-level, but figured it was time to upgrade. Plus my set always kinda had a bit "college-y" look.

 

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I want to shout out Cutco. Sure, horrible pyramid scheme as far as selling them.. but those are damn good knives IMO. They are a little too expensive for my liking but I have several of their products.. and I really like that you can send them back to get resharpened and replaced for free, for life. I sent my mom's full knife block set back.. not only did they sharpen them all, but it got back to her in less than a week, AND they replaced a few that were damaged over time. It actually makes the price tag worth it.
 

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You’ve had both? I’m speaking from experience. I’m not saying Henkels is junk, but Wusthof is a more substantial knife
 
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Just sent my 14 year old Wustofs back to the factory. They're replacing the whole set from cracked handles.

I also have a Miyabi Chef and pairing knife. So far I really like them.

Also, just started making my own knife handles. Which is kinda fun. Here are a few. Top two are cocobolo handles and the bottom hawkbill pairing is Thuya Burl. Hunting knife is African Blackwood(doesn't photo well but the grain is striking in person).



 

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I have a set of Henckels, Wustof and a set of Global. The Global set is my favorite.

What sharpening methods/equipment do you guys use. I have an electric sharpener that does ok but I’d like to get something more...custom
 

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I have a worx sharp, but I don’t put my good knives through it...too aggressive. I guess I’ll send them off to the pros when it’s time
 

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I bought this in 2013. Best knife I have ever had.

Tojiro Santuko

Also, for $15 this bad boy is hard to beat. If we travel, I take one of these. Cuts just as good (or better because of the thin but rigid steel) as any expensive knife and isn't a big deal if you lose it. I wouldn't trade it for any of the knives posted above.

Rada Chef's Knife

Of course, I have my own wetstones and hand sharpen my knives every three or four months unlike the rest of you f**s so I get my bragging points from the utility of my knives and not the price point.
 
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You’ve had both? I’m speaking from experience. I’m not saying Henkels is junk, but Wusthof is a more substantial knife
Yes, I currently have both.

As for sharpening, I have a Japanese waterstone and Arkansas oil stones. I prefer the oil stones personally, but can get a surgical edge with either.
 
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Clearly you didn't get the memo about PEAK OIL.

I personally do not prefer the German style of knives. I much prefer the Japanese style. They tend to be slightly shorter and the blades are considerably thinner. There are drawbacks, of course, but the Japanese are meticulous and have done some incredible things with laminating (I think that is the right word) different types of steels together so the spine of the knife is incredibly rigid while the actual blade is softer and thus does not chip and takes an edge easily.

I find that Japanese knives cut much better.

To each their own, but you can get incredible deals on Japanese knives on ebay.
 
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I have Wusthoff and Henkels, liked them both. Just got a set of the wusthoff Ikon steak knives and they are like scalpels, pretty amazing.

Got a couple Dalstrong knives recently, have been very impressed. Brisket knife, Spanish slicer, chefs knife and boning knife. Very sharp, great feel.
 
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Clearly you didn't get the memo about PEAK OIL.

I personally do not prefer the German style of knives. I much prefer the Japanese style. They tend to be slightly shorter and the blades are considerably thinner. There are drawbacks, of course, but the Japanese are meticulous and have done some incredible things with laminating (I think that is the right word) different types of steels together so the spine of the knife is incredibly rigid while the actual blade is softer and thus does not chip and takes an edge easily.

I find that Japanese knives cut much better.

To each their own, but you can get incredible deals on Japanese knives on ebay.



This is a good explanation of German vs Japanese. You're right....it's mainly about feel and use.

The edge geometry (generalization) for Japanese knives is much more fine. This does lend to a sharper edge, but much more prone to loss of the edge. In general, Japanese knives will dull quicker, be more prone to rolling or chipping, breaking tips, etc. They are also more flexible because the overall blade tends to be thinner. So, making fine sushi, fileting fish, etc are where the Japanese models shine. By contrast, German styles tend to be much more durable and hold edges longer.....they are heavier and less flexible. I don't do any paper thin slices of food.......so, I generally prefer German style knives. (though, keep in mind that the German styles can still do this type of work)

I still have an 8" Shun and a 8" Global that were given to me as a gift many moons ago. I have used them on occasion, but they require quite a bit of maintenance.....so, I don't use them much. Once I bought a Wusthof Classic chef and paring knives, I haven't looked back. I have used these for >20 yrs and they have very little wear. About 10 yrs ago, my wife bought a Henckels Classic block set. Honestly, without looking I can't tell you the difference between the Wusthof or Henckels in my hand.....and both are equally as durable thus far. My wife has said that she would prefer knives with more rounded grips......but I have found that when my hands get dirty (chicken/fish slime, etc) that I lose my grip more easily so I've resisted. The blocky grips tend to do better for me.


To sharpen, I have a good old stone set........4 blocks with some general oil. I use these for anything from kitchen tools, pocket/hunting knives, etc. Could I get a sharper edge through another method? Sure.......but like I said I don't make slices so thin that you can see through them. My goals are to process things like tomatoes with very little effort without crushing them......or cutting up my steaks with using only the weight of the blade......
 
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For a lot kitchen slicing tasks, a V Slicer (mandolin) is a better tool than most knives. This recommended model will set you back a whopping $25. If it gets dull years down the road, just buy another. It makes perfect uniform cuts and is a real time saver on bigger jobs.

 
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Not the sexiest looking but MA Professionals are amazing and get a lot of great reviews. I have an 8” chef and 6.5” santoku and highly recommend them to anyone looking for quality cutlery.

 

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I think that's also why I prefer German, less maintenance and work to keep them at their best.

I've always heard that Global Knives are some of the most preferred in actual restaurants, but damn, they ugly. Call my vain, but a knife still needs to look good IMO.
 

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One of the reasons I like my twin cuisine pro's from Henkels so much is the handle on them. It is larger and has a full tang with a heavy metal butt that balances the knife out perfectly in my large hands.

I also have Old Hickory cleaver and 12" butcher knives, along with a Victorinox curved boning knife I process meat with (just did a deer last month).

I have a Japanese sashimi knife too, thin blade with a single ground bevel to cut super thin.

As mentioned above, a mandolin is a great addition to the kitchen too, but not as versatile as a good old fashioned chef's knife. It's great when you need a lot of uniform cuts (like making a gratin). The most important part of using knifes is making sure they are properly sharpened, a dull knife is much more dangerous than a sharp knife in the kitchen.

I'm sort of a blade dork, I have dozens of utility, hunting, and carry knives. I never leave home without a pocket carry, and keep a few other blades handy when working or outdoorsing.
 

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Me too. I would love to find a master bladesmith to get a custom set. I watch "Forged in Fire" very often and would love something like J Neilson or Ben Abbott can do......but I'm afraid that after all that money I wouldn't like them as much.




I have a buddy that is a blacksmith here in central Kentucky. He and his wife have both been on Forged in Fire. Someday, I plan to get a custom bowie from him.
 
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Mandolin will also take the tip of a finger off uniformly. I'll stick with the food processor, santoku, or chefs.

Still honing* my knowledge on the actual blades. Fun hobby though. Definitely interested in ^ local blacksmith custom made stuff. Currently working on a cleaver with that same Burl style handle. That'll give me 3 chefs, 3 pairing, 1 santoku, and the rest of standard block. The only cheap GFC style knife I use if my slicing knife.


*See what I did there?
 

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Clearly you didn't get the memo about PEAK OIL.

I personally do not prefer the German style of knives. I much prefer the Japanese style. They tend to be slightly shorter and the blades are considerably thinner. There are drawbacks, of course, but the Japanese are meticulous and have done some incredible things with laminating (I think that is the right word) different types of steels together so the spine of the knife is incredibly rigid while the actual blade is softer and thus does not chip and takes an edge easily.

I find that Japanese knives cut much better.

To each their own, but you can get incredible deals on Japanese knives on ebay.
Japanese knives and chisels are made from laminated steel, whereas German knives and western chisels, are typically made from a single steel. The point of lamination is to balance being able to create a hard, sharp edge, with a knife or chisel that isn't brittle. Hard steel holds an edge better, but is more brittle and is harder to sharpen. The softer steel is laminated on the outside of the knife with the hard steel in the middle where the edge will be formed. On a chisel the soft steel is on the outside and the hard steel is on the inside where the edge will be formed. The soft steel creates a more flexible spine so the knife or chisel will be less prone to breaking under stress. The hard steel is on the edge so it holds an edge very well. However, because Japanese knives and chisels use very hard steel on the edge, they are more prone to chipping than German knives and western chisels. The reason German knives seem to be less maintenance is because they use steel that is less hard and less brittle than Japanese knives and chisels. They won't hold an edge as well, but they can take more abuse without chipping.
 
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I have a buddy that is a blacksmith here in central Kentucky. He and his wife have both been on Forged in Fire. Someday, I plan to get a custom bowie from him.



I remember seeing them. Do they have a website and/or shop?