Unbelievable, no one other than the nut job, hurt or killed. Lucky they took him out, before he killed someone.
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In all seriousness I’m very interested to hear what this guys major malfunction was. And another example of why I always got a gun on me.
Glad no injuries but the idiot. This question is not to stir controversy but a real question I ask anyone who carries: in a high stress situation (I.e. gunfire has begun or someone is at gunpoint) if an opponent had a gun in a crowded store, at what range do you think you could hit him without a high probability of hitting others? Or how many shots would it take to hit him? (I like to think I can shoot, but I wonder)
Any law enforcement input would be interesting too. A police officer friend has always said 10 feet or less and even that is dicey.. he has always said the hit rate at anything less than point blank is very low which is we he always carries backup ammo.
Thanks in advance!
Any law enforcement input would be interesting too. A police officer friend has always said 10 feet or less and even that is dicey.. he has always said the hit rate at anything less than point blank is very low which is we he always carries backup ammo.
Thanks in advance!
I've seen too many TV & movies to know your cop friend is lying.
One shot, one kill no matter the range.
Too many variables to give a good answer. Depends on the shooter and what they are carrying. I know one officer who shot and killed a bad guy who deserves to be dead and he made a couple miraculous shots with a handgun. Hit him with every shot at quite a distance.
On the other hand I know guys who didn’t hit the broad side of a barn from a fairly close distance.
Statistically cops hit ratio with handguns is pretty low. Partly IMO is we are in the overwhelming number of cases responding to a threat. Fight or flight kicks in and does funny things to your body. Shooting at paper is easy.
I’ve told a lot of people when the ask “why not shoot them in the leg” that is they expect officers to shoot like Wild Bill Hickok and Annie Oakley, you better increase training budgets about 1000 times, and mandate a full range training day once a week.
"the suspect, who customers and employees described as a balding, middle-aged man dressed in black." I hope he wasn't one of our posters here.
Aggravated Assault or Deadly force is met with deadly force. You shoot to kill, not to injure. Look up force continuum.
2 feet, tops.
Everyone that has a gun on them thinks they are Chuck Rambo Equalizer Robo Cop Norris but in the end people are scared and fight or flight is real. So when modern day Doc Holliday smokes his skin wagon, one thing to remember is, this is the same guy that just got a memo from his boss to make sure his TPS reports were turned in on time this week and that he will also have to come in Saturday for a few hours.
From what I read he had a tazer and did not adhere to the commands of an officer.
Well that, plus he kinda DROVE A VEHICLE INTO A CHIKFILA ALMOST KILLING PEOPLE.
True, but that act alone doesn't allow for use of deadly force. What happened after does.
I suspect this individual either had a bone to pick with chic fil a or had a screw loose.
Plus Nebraska’s Stand Your Ground law only goes as far as in your home or vehicle can you use deadly force, while in public you have to retreat. So if anyone did shoot him just up on their own, they could get in trouble one way or another
I'm sure you don't mean that as an either/or? It almost makes it sound like if he had a bone to pick then he didn't have a screw loose. Can we agree he definitely had a screw loose regardless?
All I'm saying is dude loses it and acts insane inside store, goes out and drives truck THROUGH store wall and IN TO the store, exits vehicle and "continued to pursue customers and employees through the restaurant" with something in his hand. So yeah, vehemently.
As someone who works in a retail sales environment, people go crazy over the smallest of things. Often times it isn't the sales person or retail employees fault, it's something going on at home or work but this tiny problem was just the final straw. That officer is a hero. One less violent person in the world.
And everybody knows that the Sweet Tea at Chick-Fil-A is incredible. If you're going to punch your way into some to drink at Chick-Fil-A, slide over a step and get yourself some of that Sweet Tea.
I think that's a generalization that may be true or not depending on exactly what happened. At least one witness said the perp either used his stun gun on the agent or was trying to. I think a private citizen under the same circumstances in that situation would be justified in using deadly force. After all, would I not fear for my life if this guy managed to use the stun gun on me and rendered me unable to defend myself? Anyway, he's dead and the agent should be commended.
Well, unless I read the article wrong(only read it once), the guy was a complete jackwad in the restaurant and a patron did the correct and appropriate thing by removing him from the store. Then it escalated to ramming his pickup into the ordering line area. Fortunately it appears employees were sent to other area of restaurant and assume same for customers. Bad yes. But it wasn't until he approached the BNSF uniformed officer (who was in the drive thru lane) who told him to calm down and stop that "legally" justifies the use of deadly force. Allegedly according to witnesses, the victim had a taser. Officer told him to stop, he did not.
I thought the poster was saying that the BNSF agent had the right to shoot the suspect once he rammed the truck into the store, as if that gave the agent carte blanche to shoot the guy anytime thereafter. If that's not what the poster was saying I goofed up. As a law enforcement officer, the agent was bound by Garner v Tennessee as to when he could use deadly force. He probably could have legally used deadly force as the suspect was driving the truck toward the store, but once it hit the store and the suspect exited the truck the right to use deadly force ended. However, the agent pretty clearly had the right to use deadly force when he did, as the suspect was approaching him with a taser. Courts have said that given the fact that if the taser is used on the cop, the suspect could take the cop's gun and use it on the cop or others, deadly force can be used.
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