Chol
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Chol didn’t lose a year despite seeing some time. Good news because we potentially get him for 4 more years.
I hope he is our last redshirt. This seems totally unnecessary in the time of the portal.
He was a reclassification so with him it made sense.
Nonsense. If you identify a kid with great potential who needs to physically develop, why wouldn’t you?
generally speaking if you still need to physically develop to the point you need to be redshirted then you aren’t Big 10 talent. Usually that roster spot can be better filled immediately by using the portal.
He still gets a year of college S&C, coaching, learning the system, adjusting to college life
Hopefully we see it pay off and he can contribute something next season, if needed
Chol seems like a 4 only. Right now at the 4 we have..
Mag - hopefully is back by the season and starter if healthy
Hyatt - possible transfer but know what he brings. Do not want him to start or have a huge role really. Poor shooter. Poor finisher. Mental laspes etc. If he leaves, a portal 4 is likely
Ndongo - Beast but true freshman
He committed 7/29. Pretty much out of nowhere…5 weeks before classes start.
I don’t recall any other irons In the fire for the 2022 class at that time or portal targets.
If we were holding out waiting on him (quietly) then there is an argument.
If Pike didn’t get anyone else he liked to fill that spot then taking a flyer on a pike attitude guy at that point seemed like a decent move (vs nothing).
Get him on the roster then….all the things Scangg said.
I don’t recall any other irons In the fire for the 2022 class at that time or portal targets.
If we were holding out waiting on him (quietly) then there is an argument.
If Pike didn’t get anyone else he liked to fill that spot then taking a flyer on a pike attitude guy at that point seemed like a decent move (vs nothing).
Get him on the roster then….all the things Scangg said.
There are many instances where that is not true. There is a difference between talent and being ready to play
Unless you're Myles Johnson, I guess.
Down 2 is still 11. Mag Out = 10
Do you need more than that?
Caleb banged up so a walk-in has to practice but is that worse that having another scholarship guy if you know you can’t keep him happy
Nobody takes a scholarship to be happy being the 13th guy
Generally speaking this is an insane statement. Eugene o was a guy that could've used a redshirt year but was put out there out of need
Unless the kid is someone you might not get if he stays in HS another year.
No, he just understands. Why else would a kid come out of HS a year early when he would get better offers if he stayed in HS for another year?
But your statement was that if you aren't physically ready as a freshman, then you "aren't Big 10 talent".
I don't think anyone is arguing that you can't get more immediate help from the portal then from a red shirt freshman, but saying they aren't conference level talent because they need another year to bake isn't really the case.
In my opinion, redshirting should be for Big Men only.
There are plenty of situations where school take a big man who needs to lose x amount of weight or get his conditioning up or something like that.
Redshirting a wing player or a guard in todays game doesn't make a ton of sense.
The whole "get adjusted to college life" that @Scangg used is so out of touch.
Freshman today don't need a year to get ready before being contributors. By the time January rolls around you should know what you got in a player.
Does that mean I am ruling Chol being a decent player for us out? No, but I don't buy the whole he needed a year of strength and conditioning and adjust periods.
I don't know the whole situation admittedly though, if he was really a HS Sr who reclassed and just turned 18, then okay maybe theres a reason he ultimatley redshirted. But if he is a normal 19 year old freshman, he should be physically ready
There are plenty of situations where school take a big man who needs to lose x amount of weight or get his conditioning up or something like that.
Redshirting a wing player or a guard in todays game doesn't make a ton of sense.
The whole "get adjusted to college life" that @Scangg used is so out of touch.
Freshman today don't need a year to get ready before being contributors. By the time January rolls around you should know what you got in a player.
Does that mean I am ruling Chol being a decent player for us out? No, but I don't buy the whole he needed a year of strength and conditioning and adjust periods.
I don't know the whole situation admittedly though, if he was really a HS Sr who reclassed and just turned 18, then okay maybe theres a reason he ultimatley redshirted. But if he is a normal 19 year old freshman, he should be physically ready
Not sure why you feel that way. Pile has a history of developing players. Why not have a couple of redshirts when only 8 to 10 players get PT.
I am absolutely fine with using a red shirt for the number 12 or 13 scholarship, provided we have quality depth from 6-11.
The upcoming summer team trip to Africa can be huge for Chol.
Redshirt had to happen for Chol. He is a p-r-o-j-e-c-t, he passes the physical eye test but needs a ton of S&C and BB development. Pike and staff need to figure out what he is gonna be. The few times we saw him he chucked up 3's. Is he a good shooter, is he a banger inside, a slasher? I don't think any of us know what we have in Chol, but eager to find out.
Also can Chol be a Mag replacement at the top of our press. He has the length, does he have the motor? Our press suffered when Mag went down, can Chol be that guy to come in to give Mag a rest and be effective in the press?
I hope and I believe Chol will surprise many of you next season.
Serious question. Did you watch Chol when he played? He was completely lost out there. Redshirting him made perfect sense. He wasn't ready
Chol certainly had the length, but he was completely lost defensively last year. It was really bad. I was high on Chol too and he has a ton of potential and high ceiling if he develops... he just really had no clue defensively what was going on. Part of that was joining the team late too which is yet another reason redshirting him made sense
The redshirt process still has a place in the game the way Pikiell coaches. Top notch programs like Wisconsin have made a living off redshirting kids in the recent past. Chol has tons of physical ability that needed to be refined and focused. He was a good take that late in the game last season, and I anticipate a larger role for Mr. Chol moving forward.
No, his point is spot on. #15 was not a ‘talent’. Compared to him, Cliff is The Admiral.
Oh I completely agree. That being said, I don't think he goes from being lost to an impact player. But like I said previously idk the whole situation.
If he was truly a hs sr who reclassed up, im fine with the redshirt, if he was a normal 19 year old freshman I'm not as hopeful
I think the simplest way to analyze this is that the coaching staff wouldn't have red-shirted him unless they have determined that there is a more than reasonable chance he will contribute in the future. Otherwise, they would have already had the talk with him or they would have at least used him more in garbage time, etc. to burn a year of his scholarship and move it one step closer to freeing up naturally. IMHO the staff still sees meaningful potential in him after a year in the program.
He came to Rutgers knowing he would redshirt. It was actually preferred with class work I believe