Chris Collins Bio(link). I didn't know he is Doug Collins' son.

CadaverDawg

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I think this guy would be a good hire. He was a great player, he has been a great assistant, the players seem to like him and think he helps them a lot, and he has some good connections. He can even use the NBA ties line on recruits with his dad being so involved in the pros. If Scott pulled him in, would you guys consider this to be a poor, decent, good, very good, or great hire? I would say good to very good.

Here's the bio:

http://www.goduke.com/Vie...EM_ID=4200&ATCLID=152858
 

CadaverDawg

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than you would normally start a first time head coach though.

The other name I keep hearing is Dooley.
 

Irondawg

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My main concern with Duke coaches is their ability to recruit and relate to the type of kids you have in most other programs. Let's face it, a Walter Sharpe or RSS isn't walking through the doors of Duke. How well can they relate to the kids who come from a totally different background and education level than they are used to working with?<div>
</div><div>And can they play the AAU recruiting game that is necessary to bring in talent to the non-elite programs that can sell their name alone?</div><div>
</div><div>I wonder if that's why Amacker is having more success at Harvard than he did at Michigan. It's also possible that he is just gaining experience.</div><div>
</div><div>But it's a concern of mine with the Duke guys, if they were indeed interested in our job.</div>
 

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I don't mean this in a racist way, but it's probably a huge culture shock going from coaching a bunch of very high IQ white dudes from Maryland and Rhode Island to coaching the typical MSU basketball recruit. For every Rodney Hood, there's 2 or 3 Kodi Augustuses or Gary Ervins or DJ Gardners. It just seems like a much tougher task.
 

DawgatAuburn

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You are right, very mixed results.

You have to consider Mike Brey part of it though, and he's fairly done well at Notre Dame, albeit with just one trip to the Sweet 16 (mecca). Amaker was, in my opinion, on the verge of turning it around at Michigan when they fired him, and he's completely changed basketball at Harvard. Johnny Dawkins has Stanford moving in the right direction in his fourth year. Johnson didn't leave him much to work with after the Lopez twins graduated. He did have Landry Fields, but it's take a couple of years to begin getting more talent into the program. They're in New York for the NIT semis right now. David Henderson, who was a teammate of Amaker, Dawkins and Jay Bilas back in the mid-80s, was the least successful. He followed Brey at Delaware and got fired a few years later. Quin Snyder was the most controversial. He did OK at Missouri, but was stuck in the middle of the conference and got fired midway through his last year. There was NCAA smoke but I don't think much ever came of it. The only other one I can think of is Jeff Capel. He started as a young guy at VCU and parlayed that into the Oklahoma job. He looked like a great coach when he had Blake Griffin, then when Griffin left, he bottomed out and got fired. He's back at Duke as an assistant now.
 

BulldogBlitz

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... if we get to the final four next year.

horrible... terrible... worst hire possible if we sink to the bottom of the SEC.
 

mstateglfr

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1- Duke has black players. A lot of them. The Plumlee 3 and Kelly are white, but its not like the team from Hickory, IN or anything. Duke has kinda sorta had a whole slew of black players for a long time now on each team.

2- Is it really that bad if our next coach doesnt relate to the Kodi Augustus/Gary Ervin/DJ Gardner type? That is a player who creates issues within the team, is selfish, speaks without thinking, is immature, and doesnt give all their effort.
Im fine with our future coach(es) not relating to those type of players. Its those type of players that were the Stans' downfall.</p>
 

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told one of their best players to be agressive. That's some real X and O magic right there.

"Collins’ influence was never felt more than prior to the NCAA Championship game against Arizona. Collins told Mike Dunleavy, who was coming off a poor shooting performance in Duke’s victory over Maryland in the national semifinals, to be aggressive against the Wildcats in the title game."
 

Irondawg

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It's not a white/black thing at Duke.<div>
</div><div>It's that most of their kids come from wealthier parents and are in general, pretty smart/sharp kids. They are able to recruit nationally to pick these kinds of players. If you want to recruit MS/AL/LA/TN you are in general going to end up with a different kind of player as far as background/attitude go.</div><div>
</div><div>Duke has Doc River's son, Del Curry's son and Johnny Dawkin's son I think this year for example (I haven't checked the roster)</div>
 

Shmuley

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"I thought Christian Laettner was an overrated *****."

Couldn't agree more, Jalen. Couldn't agree more.
 

mstateglfr

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I agree different players go to Duke. Dawkins graduated HS early so he could play a year earlier and make the roster deeper. From reading about him as a recruit, he was apparently a great student then.

My point though is that maybe having a coach that doesnt recruit the team destructing players you mentioned isnt a bad thing. Maybe having a coach that demands quality personalities as well as talent isnt a bad thing. Success begets success and good people want to be around other good people. Strong leaders can convince the outliers to come with them. A coach that will demand more than just raw out of control talent could be good.
 

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...and '91-'92 Kentucky wish he was overrated. He didn't miss a shot in that game (the greatest college basketball game of all time). He also played in three final fours, won two national titles, and hit two buzzer-beaters in his tournament career. He sucked in the pros. That's a given. As a college player, Jalen Rose couldn't hold his jock strap.
 
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klerushund said:
He sucked in the pros. That's a given. As a college player, Jalen Rose couldn't hold his jock strap.
You are correct. As a college player, Laettner was definitely not overrated. He is one of the best college players of the last 25 years. Nobody on Michigan's team came close.

Ignore high school hype, NBA potential, or NBA results. We are talking about as a college player. Laettner was incredible.
 
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Hump4Hoops said:
I don't mean this in a racist way, but it's probably a huge culture shock going from coaching a bunch of very high IQ white dudes from Maryland and Rhode Island to coaching the typical MSU basketball recruit. For every Rodney Hood, there's 2 or 3 Kodi Augustuses or Gary Ervins or DJ Gardners. It just seems like a much tougher task.
That is my worry also. Duke players are going to be self-motivated individuals. If they weren't, they never could have made the grades and achieved what is necessary to get into Duke.

Most places you have guys who aren't self-motivated. They can't get out of bed on time, get to class, get a paper written by a deadline, etc.

How many times does the Duke team have players go on academic suspension for grades or missed classes (Bost, Bryant, Ravern Johnson)?