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Chris Wilson quote from a Commercial Dispatch article today....

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on our coaching changes for anyone who still thought somehow Mullen was sad to see Wilson go:

A day after leaving MSU, Wilson said in a interview with 98.3 The Zone in Atlanta that his transition was a good one for him and his family because it was "nice to be at a place where the head coach really wants you to be there."
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There will always be some anomosity when someone gets fired. He knew it was coming and should have left before the ax fell.
 
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azdawg said:
There will always be some anomosity when someone gets fired. He knew it was coming and should have left before the ax fell.
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Maybe he cast too small of a net looking for other DC jobs before having to settle into a DL job.
 
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well, maybe he DIDN"T want him there, but he didn't fire him. He should be thankful not bitter.
 
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Good Riddance....

maroonmania said:
on our coaching changes for anyone who still thought somehow Mullen was sad to see Wilson go:

A day after leaving MSU, Wilson said in a interview with 98.3 The Zone in Atlanta that his transition was a good one for him and his family because it was "nice to be at a place where the head coach really wants you to be there."
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to you, sir. Great attitude right there... If he felt strongly about it, he should have left before this. And, i'm starting to get pissed again knowing the fact that this affected his playcalling more than likely. Damn, i'm glad he's gone.
 
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Na. I think Dan challenged him, called out his poor play calling and was publicly, very verbal on the sidelines. All this caused Wilson to feel unwanted. Instead of stepping up to the challenge, he tuxt his tail and hauled ***. NEXT!
 
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I'm okay with Dan being a hardass and difficult to work for...as long as he gets results on the field. Losing to UofM and NW does not constitute getting results. I'm glad Wilson's gone, and I'm still on Dan's bandwagon, and I hope he "overachieves" next year.
 
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57stratdawg said:
Lets call a spade a spade, Dan needs to back off a little.
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I agree that Dan should handle things differently. There is no reason to treat your employees badly. I think Dan should communicate honestly and doesn't have to keep under-performing folks employed, but being a jerk and publicly ridiculing coaches, as people have said he did to Wilson, isn't an appropriate way to lead, especially at this level.

Let's remember that Dan is responsible for promoting Wilson above his talent level if that's what actually occurred. If Wilson does well at UGA, even in a more limited role, then Mullen is the guy who screwed this up. A good manager can judge people's limitations and make adjustments, frequently without completely running them off from the company. Dan sucked this year with his staff.

I'm still hopeful that Dan figure stuff out and keeps the program improving. But if all the assistants who left this year perform well elsewhere, Dan might be the problem.
 
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Yall keep the excuses coming but if Mullen doesn`t develop some leadership and people skills 2010 will be the apex of his coaching career as a head coach.

edited to add: Wilson was a bad coach because he was a bad hire
 
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ugabully said:
I agree that Dan should handle things differently. There is no reason to treat your employees badly. I think Dan should communicate honestly and doesn't have to keep under-performing folks employed, but being a jerk and publicly ridiculing coaches, as people have said he did to Wilson, isn't an appropriate way to lead, especially at this level.

Let's remember that Dan is responsible for promoting Wilson above his talent level if that's what actually occurred. If Wilson does well at UGA, even in a more limited role, then Mullen is the guy who screwed this up. A good manager can judge people's limitations and make adjustments, frequently without completely running them off from the company. Dan sucked this year with his staff.

I'm still hopeful that Dan figure stuff out and keeps the program improving. But if all the assistants who left this year perform well elsewhere, Dan might be the problem.
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I think Chris should have handled things differently. Like by blitzing and sitting down Cherrington would have been good starts.

Newsflash- football coaches yell at each other all the time during the game. I don't know why MSU fans expect our coaches to all be a bunch of George Allen's when probably 95% of the profession are more like Bill Parcells. I've always taken it as the yelling is one of those things that goes on during a game and then when the game is over, it's over.
 
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Do you really see SEC coaches with better records/programs than MSU doing the stuff to subordinates that we've heard Dan did to Wilson? I think the problems weren't the yelling during the game; it was the alleged mistreatment in front of players at practice, etc.

We'll see what happens with Wilson at UGA.
 
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The problem isn't during the games - it's during the week and during practice, especially during practice.

The players see Mullen get in Wilson's face, cuss him worse than we can talk on here, openly question why he hired him. How can you then expect Wilson to jump on a defensive player? Remember those rumors of Banks and some of the Srs butting heads with Wilson? That's why. They didn't respect him and Mullen was a part of that. Wilson always said it never bothered him, but I don't think anyone really believed him.

I don't think Wilson was a very good fit for MSU's DC. However, I also don't think it's coincidental that he'll essentially be our 4th DC in 5 years.
 
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Todd4State said:
If Chris was a good DC, I would agree. I have on problem with our head coach expecting and demanding good results.
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Just wish he would demand the same on the offensive side. Dan seems to be MUCH tougher on the defensive coaches. I don't know, maybe he is more forgiving of Koenning, Hevesy, Knox and the rest of the offensive staff because he feels he is in charge on that side and he can't fire himself.
 
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thatsbaseball said:
Yall keep the excuses coming but if Mullen doesn`t develop some leadership and people skills 2010 will be the apex of his coaching career as a head coach.

edited to add: Wilson was a bad coach because he was a bad hire
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Excuses? Please point out the ones I made in my post. If anything, you are making excuses for Dan not succeeding.
 
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I agree

And I don't know why he doesn't hold them to the same standard. I'm very disappointed that Les is still around.
 
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ugabully said:
Do you really see SEC coaches with better records/programs than MSU doing the stuff to subordinates that we've heard Dan did to Wilson? I think the problems weren't the yelling during the game; it was the alleged mistreatment in front of players at practice, etc.

We'll see what happens with Wilson at UGA.
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Yes. Alabama.
 
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I don't see anything wrong with Wilson's comment. In fact, all the coaches except Collins, Hevesy, and Knox, if candid, would say the same thing. Collins and Hevesy are his boys. Gregg is his "boy." He's not tough and demanding. He's a know it all jerk, who values no ones opinion. I've said before and will say again, no assistant coach with other options will stay at MSU, except his boys. Hell, Brewster would not stay as AHC because he knows that Mullen will destroy this program from within. He destroyed the chemistry of the players and coaches last season.
 
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And I don't know why he doesn't hold them to the same standard. I'm very disappointed that Les is still around.
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Why? It's Dan's offense. He controls every aspect of it. News flash: Dan calls just as many plays as Les does. Go back and watch tape, can you tell if it's Les or Dan calling plays? No, because Les does EXACTLY what Dan wants. That's why he's still here. Dan knows this. He knows firing LK isn't going do much, and Les brings alot to the table in recruiting and coaching our QBs.

If you want LK fired, you should predicate it on the performance of our QBs. Quite frankly, I thought they were pretty good. Not great, but pretty good.

Our offense will improve in 2014 regardless.
 
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Can I have a link about Saban belittling assistants in the presence of players and/or making them run with the team?
 
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If Dan is really blasting people and showing favorites it is up to Stricklin to address it. I have not been sold on Scott. I think he was an easy promotion cause things seemed to be going ok. Dan doesn't have the luxury of being ego maniac with a mouth if he can't back it up. Dan has to be managed too. And I don't believe Stricklin has the chops to do so.

That being said I still have faith in Mullen. He just needs to be more grounded and realize some of his experiments have sucked.
 
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I read about the Mullen related stuff here. I don't have any kind of external link, any proof or sources.

Do you want me to comb back through and see if I can find it? It's probably in one of the previous Wilson threads.

I think Saban would be really hard to work for, but I suspect he conducts himself more professionally than Dan is alleged to have. I think you can tell some of that by watching what they do during games. Saban is super intense and incredibly invested in play. Dan seems to be snarking into his headset and bitching like a middle school girl.

And I think that Saban can count on a steady stream of high quality coaches wanting to work in his program in a way that I doubt Dan can.

I'm not ready to write Dan off, but I'm not going to be completely surprised if the performance of the coaches who left this year demonstrates that Dan's was a bad manager at this stage of his career.
 
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57stratdawg said:
Why? It's Dan's offense. He controls every aspect of it. News flash: Dan calls just as many plays as Les does. Go back and watch tape, can you tell if it's Les or Dan calling plays? No, because Les does EXACTLY what Dan wants. That's why he's still here. Dan knows this. He knows firing LK isn't going do much, and Les brings alot to the table in recruiting and coaching our QBs.

If you want LK fired, you should predicate it on the performance of our QBs. Quite frankly, I thought they were pretty good. Not great, but pretty good.

Our offense will improve in 2014 regardless.
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Les is the one with the OC title. How can Dan not change things if he doesn't make some kind of change somewhere- in other words, how do you expect him to not call plays unless he brings someone else in to call them? There are limits on how many assistant coaches we have you know.
 
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57stratdawg said:
The problem isn't during the games - it's during the week and during practice, especially during practice.

The players see Mullen get in Wilson's face, cuss him worse than we can talk on here, openly question why he hired him. How can you then expect Wilson to jump on a defensive player? Remember those rumors of Banks and some of the Srs butting heads with Wilson? That's why. They didn't respect him and Mullen was a part of that. Wilson always said it never bothered him, but I don't think anyone really believed him.

I don't think Wilson was a very good fit for MSU's DC. However, I also don't think it's coincidental that he'll essentially be our 4th DC in 5 years.
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This is how I feel, as well. I agree completely.
 
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Maybe Dan just wants someone who will stand up to him? How are you going to lead my defense if you can't even stand up for yourself? Dan doesn't need a "yes sir" DC. He wants and needs an ***-kicking mother17er who won't take **** from anybody including him. We need more Tom Cable's on this staff. That guy punched his assistant and broke his jaw. Wanna bet he'll stand up to Mullen?
 
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Love how you put quotes around "boy". Were you raised in war-torn Somalia?
 
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ugabully said:
I read about the Mullen related stuff here. I don't have any kind of external link, any proof or sources.

Do you want me to comb back through and see if I can find it? It's probably in one of the previous Wilson threads.

I think Saban would be really hard to work for, but I suspect he conducts himself more professionally than Dan is alleged to have. I think you can tell some of that by watching what they do during games. Saban is super intense and incredibly invested in play. Dan seems to be snarking into his headset and bitching like a middle school girl.

And I think that Saban can count on a steady stream of high quality coaches wanting to work in his program in a way that I doubt Dan can.

I'm not ready to write Dan off, but I'm not going to be completely surprised if the performance of the coaches who left this year demonstrates that Dan's was a bad manager at this stage of his career.
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If Dan is so bad, why did David Turner come BACK to work for him?
 
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Incorrect

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That's what he did.
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No, he didn't. He was stripped of his DC duties before he left. He was not going to be fired.

Koenning on the other hand wouldn't be allowed to hang around just to coach QBs.

It's easy for Wilson to say that he's loved there when he hasn't coached a down.
 
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