Wonder where Sandow and Barrett will land...TNA could be done any day now...I bet New Japan would get the most out of their talent.
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Jay Lethal vs Colt Cabana at Global Wars for the title.
If Lethal ever came to WWE, I wonder what ridiculous gimmick he would get.
BTW, he does the greatest Ric Flair impression I've ever heard. They sound exactly alike. Best promo ever.
BTW, I'm liking the Reigns/Styles stuff. I also don't think it's a shock that Rollins and Reigns are considered more marketable and main event talents over Ambrose. Both have a good look and both are solid in the ring.
If Lethal ever came to WWE, I wonder what ridiculous gimmick he would get.
BTW, he does the greatest Ric Flair impression I've ever heard. They sound exactly alike. Best promo ever.
BTW, I'm liking the Reigns/Styles stuff. I also don't think it's a shock that Rollins and Reigns are considered more marketable and main event talents over Ambrose. Both have a good look and both are solid in the ring.
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It drives you crazy on how they let talent like Sandow go. He was good and it's awful they did nothing with him. You can tell HHH is starting to have a bigger say......so
Reigns is the best one of the 3. Rollins is overrated and his title run was boring. As boring as a Kane title reign. Ambrose was the center of them until Vince had the mega push idea for Reigns then he took off. At one point Ambrose was the one giving orders in this story as US champ and all Rollins and Reigns were was tag champs doing Dean's orders. That tells me they think Ambrose isn't cut out to be a top guy. To bad because right now he's the best they have. His stuff with Y2J was great, this story telling with Brock is also good.
I'll never know why Dean stop being looked at a top guy. They view Rollins a better pick and he isn't over Ambrose not with fans ratings gear.
I don't know if I would want to go to TNA anyway right now. I would love to see Sandow in ROH, he would be perfect with Truth Martini and that gimmick.
So no one else got released yesterday, there were a lot of rumors but nothing else happened.
So no one else got released yesterday, there were a lot of rumors but nothing else happened.
Good lord BCf - YOU ARE A MORON. You're "takes" are about the stupidest things in this thread. I could let my 9-month old Great Dane hit my keyboard with her tail and she would type posts with better logic, spelling and grammar than you come up with. Please, please, please do us all a favor and go to a wrestling forum and post your idiocy there. Some points of clarity:
Hate that Sandow was cut. Gets over twice without any real help. Hopefully he gets a shot in Japan. Make some money and become a bit better in the ring.
- Jeff Gordon is no better than the third best driver in NASCAR (it is all uppercase because it is an acronym, use Google to find out what the word means) history. Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt have my back on this.
- Wrestling is BOOKED. Seth Rollins was booked as a chickenshit heel. He was booked with guys who were a bit limited in the ring. IF AJ Styles had been in the company when he was champ and they had feuded? Feud of the year and matches of the year. Seth Rollins had the best matches in WWE last year before he got hurt and before he grabbed the title. Oddly enough he couldn't have great matches with Kane. Jesus Christ couldn't have great matches with Kane.
- Reigns is pretty. We get that he reminds you of a young Kevin Nash. You probably dream of them double teaming you. He is limited in the ring. He is limited on the mic. He needs the right opponent to have a good match.
- Ambrose needs to watch some of his CZW stuff, and get back to that character. He's fine, but isn't being allowed to do what he does well/best.
Hate that Sandow was cut. Gets over twice without any real help. Hopefully he gets a shot in Japan. Make some money and become a bit better in the ring.
Hell Jimmy Johnson says Jeff Gordon is 4th. He came in and took Jeff's spot.
1. Petty
2. Intimidator
3. Johnson
4. Gordon
And this is coming from a Dale Jarrett fan. Hell, take championships out, Kyle Bush may be ahead of Jeff Gordon. Keep in mind, he just won his first championship and has years left. Factor in all circuits of racing and he IS better than Gordon.
Kyle Bush is probably the most talented race car driver to ever strap on a seatbelt, dude is mega talented, just like Phil Mickelson on the golf course, he plays the track and to win, not play it safe or lay up.
Reigns sucks, anyone who thinks anyone other than Rollins is the most talented of the Shield, well you probably need to take up a different hobby, or entertainment watching sector.
1. Petty
2. Intimidator
3. Johnson
4. Gordon
And this is coming from a Dale Jarrett fan. Hell, take championships out, Kyle Bush may be ahead of Jeff Gordon. Keep in mind, he just won his first championship and has years left. Factor in all circuits of racing and he IS better than Gordon.
Kyle Bush is probably the most talented race car driver to ever strap on a seatbelt, dude is mega talented, just like Phil Mickelson on the golf course, he plays the track and to win, not play it safe or lay up.
Reigns sucks, anyone who thinks anyone other than Rollins is the most talented of the Shield, well you probably need to take up a different hobby, or entertainment watching sector.
I was going to reply to BigNashFan, but Lexie's Dad summed up my thoughts very well.
I still don't get where Reigns is good in the ring. To me he's Goldberg with 2 more moves. He's fine in a 4-minute squash match, but he can't go more than 15 minutes without tons of overbooking to divert the audience's attention from the fact Reigns is not a ring technician.
I still don't get where Reigns is good in the ring. To me he's Goldberg with 2 more moves. He's fine in a 4-minute squash match, but he can't go more than 15 minutes without tons of overbooking to divert the audience's attention from the fact Reigns is not a ring technician.
Ok don't always agree with Jim Cornette but this is pretty funny
Why is everyone shocked @WWE fired @TheDamienSandow ?? They need more room to hire hoes for Total Divas, can't let wrestlers get in the way!
Why is everyone shocked @WWE fired @TheDamienSandow ?? They need more room to hire hoes for Total Divas, can't let wrestlers get in the way!
Sandow was great, but Barrett may be the biggest squandering of talent I have ever seen. He should have been a long time heel champion.
Can you imagine a giant real life bare knuckle boxer who can really cut a promo in, say, Mid-South or old JCP?
Can you imagine a giant real life bare knuckle boxer who can really cut a promo in, say, Mid-South or old JCP?
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So the Dolph/Christian syndrome?
As soon as it was time for a push ... injury.
This and plus when Barrett and Nexus where red hot they had to feud with Cena. We all know how that goes.
I never said Rollins wasn't good. He's boring and his title run was boring. He had feuds with Orton/Cena/Leaser, hell anybody can have good matches with those guys. Like Punk in 2012 he was given everything to him but it fail and was boring. He's good but not as good as Reigns and Ambrose, not going to kiss his *** because he's small like you are and isn't over.
Once again where did I post something about Nash? Seems you troll for me to post about him because since I've been back I haven't said a word about him unless it's sticking up for him in here. Lord.
I get it I can't spell or post good grammer, but that doesn't stop me from having fun. Can't help not to feel sorry for you, the little things getting to ya.
I don't get it, you guys act as if I have to agree with everything said here when it's dog **** most of the time. But I don't ever point that out yet I get jump on for having a take. I forgot more wrestling then most here will ever know.
I've never been the most "in the know" person when it comes to the indies or indie talent but I have crammed so much ROH through my brain the past few weeks. It's a blast. I watched old CM Punk stuff, Samoa Joe and Bryan Danielson years ago but never followed it but my goodness, that company is awesome. I can see why a lot of smarks see WWE as a circus/sports entertainment while ROH is more like NXT and tugs at the heartstrings of a wrestling purist.
With that said, ROH has grown quite a bit in a very small timeframe. They're not even 15-years-old and their current business model is less than a decade old. I think they can be even bigger one day. Anyways, I think more and more people are liking those types of wrestlers. More and more people are into the Daniel Bryans, CM Punks, Finn Balors, Jay Lethals, AJ Styles and Seth Rollins types
I think WWE can be successful with a mixture of this type and more commercially marketable stars like Reigns and Cena.
BTW, Reigns and Cena do not suck in the ring. Neither are trash like Luger or Kevin Nash. I think they're both talented.
I'm optimistic for the future. I'm sure around June or July it's going to get pretty damn good.
With that said, ROH has grown quite a bit in a very small timeframe. They're not even 15-years-old and their current business model is less than a decade old. I think they can be even bigger one day. Anyways, I think more and more people are liking those types of wrestlers. More and more people are into the Daniel Bryans, CM Punks, Finn Balors, Jay Lethals, AJ Styles and Seth Rollins types
I think WWE can be successful with a mixture of this type and more commercially marketable stars like Reigns and Cena.
BTW, Reigns and Cena do not suck in the ring. Neither are trash like Luger or Kevin Nash. I think they're both talented.
I'm optimistic for the future. I'm sure around June or July it's going to get pretty damn good.
^I think that Cena is underrated in the ring...
When he has his working shoes on....
When he is working with an elite performer.
I still think his one hour match with HBK on RAW a decade (or so) ago was one of the best free *regular* matches ever (don't consider Flair/Steamboat "regular"). He had great matches with Punk and Bryan. He had very good matches with Orton (but too many which was no fault of his own).
My qualm with Cena is that he doesn't sell - which is his fault, and that he always comes out on top (maybe a bit 50/50). KO is one of the very few people to come out of a feud with him looking good, and KO NEVER needs to be around him again unless he's going to win.
Maybe it's the difference between a face character and a heel character. Maybe it's the difference between a traveling champion and a company champion. But Flair kept his title, kept heat, stayed believable and made guys look great. He made guys' careers. He made some Von Erichs more believable. He made Terry Taylor, Buddy Landell, and most of all he MADE Sting. All without tarnishing Flair. Vince doesn't know how to do that because he didn't do that with Hogan and doesn't do that with Cena.
When he has his working shoes on....
When he is working with an elite performer.
I still think his one hour match with HBK on RAW a decade (or so) ago was one of the best free *regular* matches ever (don't consider Flair/Steamboat "regular"). He had great matches with Punk and Bryan. He had very good matches with Orton (but too many which was no fault of his own).
My qualm with Cena is that he doesn't sell - which is his fault, and that he always comes out on top (maybe a bit 50/50). KO is one of the very few people to come out of a feud with him looking good, and KO NEVER needs to be around him again unless he's going to win.
Maybe it's the difference between a face character and a heel character. Maybe it's the difference between a traveling champion and a company champion. But Flair kept his title, kept heat, stayed believable and made guys look great. He made guys' careers. He made some Von Erichs more believable. He made Terry Taylor, Buddy Landell, and most of all he MADE Sting. All without tarnishing Flair. Vince doesn't know how to do that because he didn't do that with Hogan and doesn't do that with Cena.
Sheamus is an underrated worker too. Mirrors your description of Cena.
Can't wait for Rollins V. Styles...that is gonna be fun.
You think Ambrose is overrated but think Sheamus is underrated?
Boy if I had a take like that here:[ must be nice to give a opinion and not get heat
Well ROH had their PPV last night and gave us a non-finsh in the main event. Totally like WCW back in the day. The rest of the show sounded really good.
Heisman was talking about ROH history, I picked up a couple of what looks to be really good DVD's from the good folks at Highspots.
One is Best of Bryan Danielson in the Indy's and the other is Samoa Joe's ROH championship history. Cant wait to watch them sometime.
Heisman was talking about ROH history, I picked up a couple of what looks to be really good DVD's from the good folks at Highspots.
One is Best of Bryan Danielson in the Indy's and the other is Samoa Joe's ROH championship history. Cant wait to watch them sometime.
You don't take heat because of a debatable topic. You take heat because of your over the top love affair with Kevin Nash and for giving Corey Davis the creeps.
That and every opinion is different. There is a huge difference in having a opinion, and going the opposite way just for the sake of disagreeing or trying to be different than everyone. Huge difference. We all have opinions that vary on certain topics, but not EVERY topic. We could bring up "man Triple H sure is staying in pretty damn good shape for his age and all the injuries he has had." You would come back with "meh, he is on steroids and he is not in that great of shape, Kevin Nash had football injuries and had more serious injuries, and IF he still competed, would be in better shape than Trips,,, he is not that far behind him as it is." That is why you get a lot of heat, you bring it on yourself, so do not quote other posters and say "man if I gave that opinion." Well yeah, if YOU did because it would be so damn off the wall.
That's part of the appeal I'm guessing. The guy is as generic as they get hence "el generico". His match with Nakamura was one of the best I have seen in a long time.
I'm usually not a fan of the really tall guys, but Big Cass has a future if they don't screw him up. Reminds me of a bigger version of Edge.
100% agree on Cass
Not sold on Zayn so far but that's just me
AJ referring to them tonight as "The Club" was pretty lame but guess nothing will be official until Balor comes to the main roster
His draw is he is a good worker who can make ****** big guys look like a million bucks. And maybe the hat. I like his hat.
I thought Ambrose was out of hand tonight and criminal charges being pressed shouldn't be out of the question.
Upstaging the highlight reel and having little consideration for rules is bad enough, but destruction of personal property is over the line. Jericho is a legend who should be respected and I can't believe Vince, his offspring and Triple H allow this to happen.
Upstaging the highlight reel and having little consideration for rules is bad enough, but destruction of personal property is over the line. Jericho is a legend who should be respected and I can't believe Vince, his offspring and Triple H allow this to happen.
I literally said WhenTF was this before hearing the rest of the "line".
Anyhow, BCF we need different characters here so it's all good but in a nut shell you are an idiot.
Reigns isn't coming off half bad in this feud, but that is more about AJ than Reigns. If he is going to be force fed I really hope everything clicks one day.
Zayn isn't all that, but there is a lot worse too.
I actually watched a full show tonight. It helps that my 6 yr old is loving the stuff too, but nothing was bad except the women IMHO........we are getting there folks..........and then comes.......
Duhn...duhn duhn duhn......duhn.....duhn duhn duhn.......
I like Zayn he puts on good matches. Good story with KO, I thought Owens did better in telling it but overall he's one of the good ones that came out of NXT. I wish Bo Dallas and Neville would get a push to see how they do. Then maybe go up in the main card.
Once again Ambrose was Raw.
Once again Ambrose was Raw.
Zayn is alright, but that is about it imo. Styles will continue to job to Reigns which makes me sick but will set up the Rollins/Reigns fued when Rollins returns. Even though Rollins vs Styles would be far better. Was actually excited for the Cass/Jericho match but got treated to Ambrose cutting up a jacket instead.
Reigns will also go over against Rollins. Looks like he'll hold on to the title until next WM. (lose to Undertaker or Cena) Vince will give him a long title run. Fans can't stand it but that is where the company is right now. Reigns is doing well working with AJ IMO and yes AJ should get a big payoff from this maybe win MITB.
I think Rollins can over come losing to Reigns. But maybe he shouldn't get his shot yet since he'll lose if Reigns is champion.
I don't dislike Zayn, but find it hard to really get behind him. He is just so...extremely generic.
They seriously need to get Balor up and figure out this club stuff. ROH getting to use Bullet Club with the young bucks.
Zayn is a great worker who happens to make Dean Malenko look like the most interesting man in the world.
Zayn needs to work as an underdog face and have great matches. He needs to lose the cap and jacket. He also needs to go back to being El Generico.
Since WWE is letting KO cut loose, I'd really like to see them give Chris Hero another chance - or is one fat guy their limit?
Zayn needs to work as an underdog face and have great matches. He needs to lose the cap and jacket. He also needs to go back to being El Generico.
Since WWE is letting KO cut loose, I'd really like to see them give Chris Hero another chance - or is one fat guy their limit?
Next WWE Network special?
WWE ran a local ad in Honolulu during Raw with three major matches advertised. John Cena vs. Shinsuke Nakamura, Kevin Owens vs. Brock Lesnar and Charlotte vs. Asuka the three huge matches being advertised for the 6/29 house show. This is a stacked card and the rumor is that this will be a WWE Network special.
Tickets for the show are sold out.
Other names advertised for the show include:
Roman Reigns
Chris Jericho
Bray Wyatt
AJ Styles
The New Day
The Usos
Natalya
Ric Flair
Karl Anderson
Luke Gallows
These network specials are starting to become better than PPV's.
^^^ Good Grief that card sounds better than most of the PPV's they have been doing...
Yup that card is stacked - hopefully it delivers.
Really enjoying AJ's work with Super Reigns and the storytelling that is being intertwined.
I am not sure if AJ could have or WWE would have let him main event 3-4 years ago but his work in New Japan legitimized him as a top caliber star.
Really enjoying AJ's work with Super Reigns and the storytelling that is being intertwined.
I am not sure if AJ could have or WWE would have let him main event 3-4 years ago but his work in New Japan legitimized him as a top caliber star.