CI Wrestling Thread #56

[KingOfBBN]

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[laughing]

Nothing cracks me up more than Heisman's defense of Reigns.

I love the "WWE has no other faces to push." Well if they hadn't spent the last 2 years trying so hard to get Reigns over maybe they would be in a better spot.

But they didn't because Vince was hell bent on making Reigns the next Cena.

I just see a lot of irrational criticism of the guy where no one else applies the same standard to other guys that they like. For instance, the "he sucks in the ring and only has three moves" and then advocates for Dean Ambrose who literally is a brawler, who has the rope move clothesline, dive, punches and "Dirty Deeds."

He sucks on the mic (he's not good because creative has such a tight grip on him. I've interviewed the guy three times and even Steve Austin said this- the guy's natural personality is so much better than what they allow him to do and say) but they will be fans of Cesaro, Brock, Rollins and Daniel Bryan (WWE version) who are not good on the mic at all.

I swear that if Ambrose was given the same exact booking over the same amount of time, the IWC would still find a way to complain and want something "different." It'd be like "Boo Ambrose! WWE is pushing the guy down our throat. We want something different- give us Kevin Owens or Cesaro." If there is a hint that the WWE likes someone that the smarks feel they didn't "discover" or "create", they automatically rebel. This is the group who cheers heels and has a chub for indie guys.

I will also say that Seth Rollins was the focus on the majority of 2015 where Reigns took a backseat from May-November. Ambrose was in the main event 4 times compared to Reigns 6 and Rollins was in 7 of them.

Like I mentioned earlier, you find me the other faces that have a look, capable of mainstream marketing, over with the fans and have a good character worthy of a top face promotion during that time? Who are the options? Ambrose, Ziggler, who else? Nobody.

 

[Kentucky Bandit]

He sucks on the mic (he's not good because creative has such a tight grip on him.

This is true.

Honestly it's really not Reign's fault. It's creative and Vince's fault.

Creative because they keep putting a mic in front of him. He does not need to be anywhere near a mic. But they 5 hours of TV to fill every week, so they have to fill it some how.

Vince too because he saw that Reigns was starting to get over with the crowd naturally. But instead starting his single's run with the US or IC title, he shoots him straight up to the WHC title picture.

 

[krazykats]

Whatever he has long hair like girl and your attracted to him, it's ok!

My main problem is he is so obviously scripted he comes off like a robot whether talking or wrestling. I don't like the loaded gun or the bear cry or whatever TF he does. No different to me than the muscle head when he pumps up with a 1/4 punch before the big clothesline or the feed me more stunt........so yes I compare reigns to feed me more guy than anyone.

I like Rollins for the face. He couldn't turn before because we had too many faces. But he is going to be the best of them I'm sure.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Whatever he has long hair like girl and your attracted to him, it's ok!

My main problem is he is so obviously scripted he comes off like a robot whether talking or wrestling. I don't like the loaded gun or the bear cry or whatever TF he does. No different to me than the muscle head when he pumps up with a 1/4 punch before the big clothesline or the feed me more stunt........so yes I compare reigns to feed me more guy than anyone.

I like Rollins for the face. He couldn't turn before because we had too many faces. But he is going to be the best of them I'm sure.

Rollins should be brought back as a face. Let Ambrose be a heel. He's capable of it. Let Reigns be an anti-hero who doesn't need a mic and just beats the piss out of faces and heels.

As for the Samoan warrior battle cry or cocking of the fist, it's no different than Cena's pre-finisher symbol, Punk giving the Macho tribute, Bryan doing the "Yes chant" before doing the running knee. We've seen it a lot.

 

[TransyCat09]

OT slightly

Mick Foley's daughter is ridiculously (and inexplicably) hot as hell. I know it's pretty common knowledge, but it needs to be said every once in a while just because

 

[TCurtis75_rivals88839]

OT but I thought the video here was funny as hell. SCSA trying other drinks besides beer.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kevinsmith/stone-cold-steve-austin-tries-fancy-cocktails#.jmdZyJJaOy

 

[krazykats]

Yes, I don't like Cena's BS either though so I ain't just picking on ya boi. However, Cena's can't see me BS was a popular thing when he started, Reigns however not so much.

You want that Samoan wolf cry to work come out in some Samoan gear and do a hoola dance or something. If the person is good they can make anything work but he isn't.

Also just so you know I don't hate him, I just think he could be better utilized to get where they want him to go.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

well thanks to my wonderful hotel discount perk my friend and I are going to Night of Champions and staying at an Embassy Suites a block away for $40

 

[krazykats]

That's awesome but that PPV should be abolished. It was setup as a way to take SD title holders against RAW title holders.

And now that isn't the case nor does it truly meet a purpose.

Why is it so hard to go WAR GAMES just to see. I mean Shane just [poop] on Steph so clearly a lot of changes are coming.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

only reason we are going is because it's in Indianapolis and I can get us a cheap hotel room. also cheap seats are $25. I'd much rather go to another show.

 

[krazykats]

Never been to a PPV but it would be cool as ****. I'd just really love a perfectly time WAR GAmES between RR and WM.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

I've been Backlash at Rupp, Cyber Sunday in Cincy, and Wrestlemania 23. The atmosphere at PPV is totally different than house shows and tv shows. I've also been to 1 Raw and 2 smackdowns. Both smackdowns were during the brand extension.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

and War Games won't happen until Vince is dead. I honestly believe that once HHH takes over WWE will be 100x better

 

[krazykats]

I think Shane will be #1 before HHH. Part of me feels like some of what they said was actually real the other night.

 

[WildcatFan1982]

Shane may. But he did quit the company for years. Jim Cornette told me once that Shane is too smart to run WWE as it is.

 

[krazykats]

Well, but in all honesty like he said, he has 3 kids and right about now he has to wonder WTF is so hard to make this work.

Really and truly I think the same at least twice a week.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Booking my flight tonight to Dallas to cover WrestleMania week. Doubt it tops last year's but I'm excited. Nothing like it.

 

[KingOfBBN]

I think Shane will be #1 before HHH. Part of me feels like some of what they said was actually real the other night.

My wife watches now after years of ridiculing me about pro wrestling. Anyways she cringed at some of the stuff said in that promo because she felt some of it was true. I agree.

I also would trust Shane McMahon to run things financially and both him and Triple H to run it creatively. HHH has proven himself with NXT. He knows talent.

 

[krazykats]

You can't know about the McMahon's and think some of that hasn't been argued behind the scenes. Maybe they came to an agreement and planned to do that on TV(obvious) but it was all "true".

I guess if your used to living your life on TV then something like that isn't going to bother you. But there is history between Shane and Steph on the show.

 

[Kentucky Bandit]

I think it was on Tuesday I was reading that Shane was brought back as an on air TV character only for this run - however long it is. Yesterday I saw another report saying that he may end up in back in an upper management role. Who knows, it's the freaking McMahon's. I do agree there had to be some truth to what they said.

In the end there will only be one guy in charge of WWE:

When he seizes full control he will probably divorce Steph on live TV and reveal it was all part of his master plan to get his revenge on Vince for punishing him for the Kliq hug at MSG.

His first act will be announcing Chyna is going into the Hall of Fame.

 

[KingOfBBN]

I think it was on Tuesday I was reading that Shane was brought back as an on air TV character only for this run - however long it is. Yesterday I saw another report saying that he may end up in back in an upper management role. Who knows, it's the freaking McMahon's. I do agree there had to be some truth to what they said.

In the end there will only be one guy in charge of WWE:

When he seizes full control he will probably divorce Steph on live TV and reveal it was all part of his master plan to get his revenge on Vince for punishing him for the Kliq hug at MSG.

His first act will be announcing Chyna is going into the Hall of Fame.

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[KingOfBBN]

On a related note, what are the odds that Triple H books himself to tie Cena at 15 and possibly surpass Flair's record?

By the way, I thought this was a work?Or is this the rarely seen kayfabe?

 

[KingOfBBN]

his eyes aren't gonna be swollen like that unless he got his face smashed. I'd say he legit broke the **** out of his nose at some point when he was banging his head against the announcer's table.

Yeah, those were my thoughts as well.

By the way, I totally expect that HHH/Reigns match to be great. People thought last year's would suck and it was awesome. Triple H won't let it suck.

 

[TransyCat09]

The blood was definitely a work IMO. The kayfabe picture after the show showed his hands dyed a solid neon red. Didn't look like real blood. Again, jmo

Now he could have injured his face. No idea

 

[Kentucky Bandit]

Speculation was that this was a pre-existing condition with Reigns' nose that he needed to have taken care of. They did what they did on Monday because he had surgery coming up.

 

[KingOfBBN]

How often is it that the World Champ, tag champs, womens' champ, and IC champ are all heels?

Just thought about it. Strange.

Hm good point. Kalisto, the U.S. Champ is the only face with a title. Didn't think about it.

 

[sg24_]

Eh... The US title isn't a real title. Especially when it's held by a ferner.

Zeb Coulter??

 

[WildcatFan1982]

Is it wrong that part of my reasoning on going to Night of Champions is that I want to marry sasha banks?

 

[allabouttheUK]

Is it wrong that part of my reasoning on going to Night of Champions is that I want to marry sasha banks?

Yes. If you had said you just want her to sit on your face, that would have been ok.

 

[KingOfBBN]

Wrestling Observer is reporting that the plan for the Divas title is Sasha and Charlotte and not a triple threat. Kind of surprising on that one.

Shouldn't Reigns be "TLC Reigns" from here on out after the broken nose? Seriously just let that guy beat the piss out of everyone with no regard? If you do give him a mic, just let him cuss and say maybe two phrases and then attack someone? No pandering BS Cena stuff.

What do you guys think they do with Ambrose and Lesnar?

 

[WildcatFan1982]

Yes. If you had said you just want her to sit on your face, that would have been ok.

Gotta lock that down.

 

[Kentucky Bandit]

Shouldn't Reigns be "TLC Reigns" from here on out after the broken nose? Seriously just let that guy beat the piss out of everyone with no regard? If you do give him a mic, just let him cuss and say maybe two phrases and then attack someone? No pandering BS Cena stuff.

What do you guys think they do with Ambrose and Lesnar?

You know in the Shield Ambrose did most of the talking and Rollins had a little bit of say. All Reigns did was say "Believe dat" at the end. It worked fine.

I don't mean to harp on it, but he is just terrible with a mic.

I'm looking forward to Ambrose/Lesnar. I'm not a fan of "street fights" but I think it's perfect for these two. Best thing is Ambrose doesn't have to win. He just needs to have a great match with Lesnar.

 

[KingOfBBN]

You know in the Shield Ambrose did most of the talking and Rollins had a little bit of say. All Reigns did was say "Believe dat" at the end. It worked fine.

I don't mean to harp on it, but he is just terrible with a mic.

I'm looking forward to Ambrose/Lesnar. I'm not a fan of "street fights" but I think it's perfect for these two. Best thing is Ambrose doesn't have to win. He just needs to have a great match with Lesnar.

Yeah, I don't think you can let Lesnar lose that match. Let Ambrose go the distance and lose, which could start a cool heel turn. At this point, who will they let beat Lesnar? Guy has only lost one match (not clean) since WrestleMania in 2013.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Lesnar can't lose unless your turn him face, not a clean loss anyway.

 

[krazykats]

No Lesnar can't lose because he shouldn't lose, nothing more and nothing less.

It's nice that WWE realizes their mistake with the Cena's, HHH's and Hogan's of the world, but how the hell Leanar is in mid card hell blows my mind. Oh, and that's fine if you disagree about midcard hell.

Sadly, I too think Ambrose should/will lose clearly, but he needs to really catch a momentum swing out of this.

 

[allabouttheUK]

Really hoping the rumors of a brand split are false.

Saw where they have figured out what to do with Austin for Mania, but no details.

Batista was supposed to be the ref for Reigns vs Trips??!! WTF is that shat?!

Kenny Omega and the Elite challenge The New Day. I for one would love for Kenny Omega and the Bucks to be picked up by WWE. If they are going to do the Bullet club might as well do it right.

 

[krazykats]

Just a distraction to make you think it's HHH.

Man I have grown to hate to Punk the person, but things would get quite spicy if somehow he was apart of this Shane angle.

 

[allabouttheUK]

How I would play this all out.

Shane doesn't fight UT but has someone stand in for him. Shane/his stand-in wins the match and Shane takes control of Raw. This turns into a good (Shane) vs bad (VKM). Stephanie and Trips side with Shane eventually because Vince screwed Steph over. Vince throws all his bad guys at anyone that sides with Shane.

Meanwhile Y2J and AJ tag up and face the S.O. only to see Y2J turn on AJ. It's a 5 on 1 beat down until AJ makes a hand signal. This brings out members of the Bullet club.

Reigns does what we all want and starts going solo and just kicking *** and keeping his mouth shut. Ambrose makes a heel turn when Rollins returns to "save" the company for Steph and Trips.

 

[krazykats]

No thanks.

Mainly because the idea is that Shane "wrestles" 1 match. Key word in there ruins your plot. Shane will be in HIC with Taker.

 

[MoreheadEagle]

So is UT a heel now? That's the one thing about this whole Shane O' Mac thing that's bothering me. Why is UT suddenly okay with doing the Authority's bidding?

Not that I care to even see UT again, but if this is his last match and he loses to Shane...eh?