I'm cool with that, but my question would then be, what is the angle? What does this lead to? How does this open the door for new wrestlers to be called up? If it's just Shane vs UT then it's just another match. See what I am saying? There has to be a swerve in there somewhere...I would think.
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I'm cool with that, but my question would then be, what is the angle? What does this lead to? How does this open the door for new wrestlers to be called up? If it's just Shane vs UT then it's just another match. See what I am saying? There has to be a swerve in there somewhere...I would think.
Yea the swerve is Shane gets Raw to run like a wrestling company should. Most likely he stoops to some cheating with a new young fresh crew and wins.
WWE is publicly traded and everything Shane said was spot on. Money is terrible right now and memberships are dropping for the network and the stock in WWE is borderline garbage.
Time for change.
WWE is publicly traded and everything Shane said was spot on. Money is terrible right now and memberships are dropping for the network and the stock in WWE is borderline garbage.
Time for change.
I am the opposite, I think VKM helps the UT beat Shane (or has someone do it, possibly Ambrose / Wyatt), it is his last match, no big deal. Then in return, Shane builds a stable for the take over.
I'm not buying this is Takers last Mania. I say he has at least one more left in him. Next year at WM it will be Taker vs Sting and they will both walk away for good. That's the match that they both have talked about and want.
No way is Taker's last WrestleMania against Shane McMahon. Not buying that. I also think he does lose in some screwy fashion.
Anxious to find out Austin's role though.
Anxious to find out Austin's role though.
I'm thinking Austin is going to be in some way involved in the Shane/Taker match opposite Vince.
What does Taker get if he wins?
What does a loss hurt?
He needs to say, "Hey, Vince. If I win, title shot."
Then HHH and Hootie McBoobs have a fit. They realize that VKM screws them either way.
What does a loss hurt?
He needs to say, "Hey, Vince. If I win, title shot."
Then HHH and Hootie McBoobs have a fit. They realize that VKM screws them either way.
Taker wouldn't do that, because he has always been a company first and me second guy.
Alright, let's do this.
Austin brought up on his podcast that he thinks Reigns should turn heel.
“I predicted this all along. The kid has got to have a heel run before he’s going to be universally loved because that’s just the way that I see it. I’ve always said that I think the guy needs to be a heel first, but, nonetheless, that’s not my call. That’s the booking committee’s call or Vince [McMahon]’s call.”
Why it will work:
“That’s what’s going to make it fun again because everybody is going to be so onboard with booing him! I’m telling you, once he goes through that process, whether that takes one year, two years, [or] whatever, then, they’re going to end up loving the guy.”
How exactly do you achieve this though? Just start insulting the crowd? I don't want another chicken **** heel like we had in Seth Rollins. The only way I see something working is if Cena is brought back and Reigns can play the hell in this scenario and from there on out..kind of a tweener. But they have no top babyface options right now. Ambrose is not that guy.
Austin brought up on his podcast that he thinks Reigns should turn heel.
“I predicted this all along. The kid has got to have a heel run before he’s going to be universally loved because that’s just the way that I see it. I’ve always said that I think the guy needs to be a heel first, but, nonetheless, that’s not my call. That’s the booking committee’s call or Vince [McMahon]’s call.”
Why it will work:
“That’s what’s going to make it fun again because everybody is going to be so onboard with booing him! I’m telling you, once he goes through that process, whether that takes one year, two years, [or] whatever, then, they’re going to end up loving the guy.”
How exactly do you achieve this though? Just start insulting the crowd? I don't want another chicken **** heel like we had in Seth Rollins. The only way I see something working is if Cena is brought back and Reigns can play the hell in this scenario and from there on out..kind of a tweener. But they have no top babyface options right now. Ambrose is not that guy.
Company first has him working with Shane and against VKM.
He needs to have some skin in the game.
No doubt!
UT: Wait what, you mean you need me in there still? Really?
VKM: Not sure but not willing to find out after the fact either.
UT: Well I'm old so just give me someone easy I guess, I mean you do remember I lost 2 years ago already right?
VKM: What? Hmmmm, I don't care about that just let us play your music and I'll figure something out.
Two weeks later
VKM: Ok man, we got it and this is good, I mean great TBH!!
UT: Well is my pay day still 1M this year because I probably only wrestle this match.
VKM: Yea yea yea don't worry about that.
UT: Ok because Steph and HHH really suck and I know things are down righ now.
VKM: well hot damn! Here is the thing I was thinking about you fightin my son Shane, would that be ok?
UT: for a 1M? Cool I don't even have to train for this then.
VKM: ok, hey you just gave me an idea what about HIC?
UT: with Shane? Sure you got it. How did I give you an idea? Vince are you ok man?
VKM: never been better but hey don't tell nobody they should think I created this one myself.
UT: (walking away) best retirement of plan ever
Later on talking to Shane
VKM: hey Shane how about you come out I the first segment and tell Steph how bad she sucks!
Shane: really dad? I mean things are bad but I can't blame her.
VKM: why the hell not? Hey if you do it I'll give you a shot at running this company again.
Shane: damn dad that's ruthless!
VKM: so you'll do it? Great I will fill you in on the details in the ring see ya later! Man I'm a genius this perfect I mean you be as honest as you want ok.
BOOM opening segment bombshell. Then backstage after ward.......
Shane: Dad WTF was that?
VKM: well your a prick Shane and you want to be me, can't believe you'd turn on Steph and HHH like that, I bet HHH is going to be pissed. Good luck son!
UT: Wait what, you mean you need me in there still? Really?
VKM: Not sure but not willing to find out after the fact either.
UT: Well I'm old so just give me someone easy I guess, I mean you do remember I lost 2 years ago already right?
VKM: What? Hmmmm, I don't care about that just let us play your music and I'll figure something out.
Two weeks later
VKM: Ok man, we got it and this is good, I mean great TBH!!
UT: Well is my pay day still 1M this year because I probably only wrestle this match.
VKM: Yea yea yea don't worry about that.
UT: Ok because Steph and HHH really suck and I know things are down righ now.
VKM: well hot damn! Here is the thing I was thinking about you fightin my son Shane, would that be ok?
UT: for a 1M? Cool I don't even have to train for this then.
VKM: ok, hey you just gave me an idea what about HIC?
UT: with Shane? Sure you got it. How did I give you an idea? Vince are you ok man?
VKM: never been better but hey don't tell nobody they should think I created this one myself.
UT: (walking away) best retirement of plan ever
Later on talking to Shane
VKM: hey Shane how about you come out I the first segment and tell Steph how bad she sucks!
Shane: really dad? I mean things are bad but I can't blame her.
VKM: why the hell not? Hey if you do it I'll give you a shot at running this company again.
Shane: damn dad that's ruthless!
VKM: so you'll do it? Great I will fill you in on the details in the ring see ya later! Man I'm a genius this perfect I mean you be as honest as you want ok.
BOOM opening segment bombshell. Then backstage after ward.......
Shane: Dad WTF was that?
VKM: well your a prick Shane and you want to be me, can't believe you'd turn on Steph and HHH like that, I bet HHH is going to be pissed. Good luck son!
^ Well for touch sakes, you guys are confusing story line with reality.
I'm not questioning why Mark Calloway will do this.
I'm questioning why The Undertaker who now has a WM loss and is no friend of VKM in storyline terms has any incentive to do his bidding. Sure, he has pride and doesn't want to lose. But he wrestles once a year. Correction, he wrestled 2 or 3 times this year. Whoop de touching do!
He had history, bad blood, incentive to go after Brock. Brock put the 1 in 21-1. And Heyman crowed about it. Same logic behind why I'd kick Laettner in the nuts or Bo Ryan in the nuts.
Why does Undertaker care to go after Shane? He could just as easily say, "No, I'm going to be on an Island doing some kinky stuff with Michelle McCool that weekend. You know how it is when you're married, so I'm not missing out on this."
Are you all advocating that we resurrect Milton Friedman and make him Raw GM and make it all about profit and free market capitalism? I'm down for that. I'd never miss an episode. We could even resurrect FA Hayek and Adam Smith to be his helpers.
I just don't buy it. The story needs more depth because Taker isn't VKM's puppet. He's a washed up has-been who steals glory from young, deserving performers.
I'm not questioning why Mark Calloway will do this.
I'm questioning why The Undertaker who now has a WM loss and is no friend of VKM in storyline terms has any incentive to do his bidding. Sure, he has pride and doesn't want to lose. But he wrestles once a year. Correction, he wrestled 2 or 3 times this year. Whoop de touching do!
He had history, bad blood, incentive to go after Brock. Brock put the 1 in 21-1. And Heyman crowed about it. Same logic behind why I'd kick Laettner in the nuts or Bo Ryan in the nuts.
Why does Undertaker care to go after Shane? He could just as easily say, "No, I'm going to be on an Island doing some kinky stuff with Michelle McCool that weekend. You know how it is when you're married, so I'm not missing out on this."
Are you all advocating that we resurrect Milton Friedman and make him Raw GM and make it all about profit and free market capitalism? I'm down for that. I'd never miss an episode. We could even resurrect FA Hayek and Adam Smith to be his helpers.
I just don't buy it. The story needs more depth because Taker isn't VKM's puppet. He's a washed up has-been who steals glory from young, deserving performers.
Someone tell me how to accomplish Austin's vision for Reigns.
Also,how much you want to bet that a KO/AJ Styles IC title match at Mania could steal the show?
Also,how much you want to bet that a KO/AJ Styles IC title match at Mania could steal the show?
I would think you would have a reigns/Rollins confrontation once Rollins gets back and then you do the double turn - gets reigns to be the heel and the often rumored Rollins face turn.
No. Reigns has to win at Mania. Ambrose isn't good enough to be a top babyface either. You could have Reigns absolutely destroy him though but I'd wait until there's a legitimate top babyface back, which is Cena or possibly a babyface Rollins.
Ambrose will do his best business as a heel as well. He's fine as a face, but he's a natural heel. Hell, he and Reigns could turn together.
I agree with that. Just like poking fun at Heisman over his slurp fest is all.
It is easy to turn anyone. Watch old 80's wrestling and see. Wrestling isn't hard to figure out and really is better kept simple. Long feuds can be fun, obvious winners aren't bad, and outsmarting Internet fan isn't necessary.
It is easy to turn anyone. Watch old 80's wrestling and see. Wrestling isn't hard to figure out and really is better kept simple. Long feuds can be fun, obvious winners aren't bad, and outsmarting Internet fan isn't necessary.
Heisman definitely has an odd fascination with Reigns.
"How do you turn Reigns heel?"
"HA, TRICK QUESTION YOU CAN'T! HE IS SO OVER AND GET'S THE BIGGEST POPS EVERY NIGHT!"
"Right guys...."
If you had Reigns attack Ambrose that would do it. Ambrose is over with the crowd and Reigns turning on him would do the trick.
"How do you turn Reigns heel?"
"HA, TRICK QUESTION YOU CAN'T! HE IS SO OVER AND GET'S THE BIGGEST POPS EVERY NIGHT!"
"Right guys...."
If you had Reigns attack Ambrose that would do it. Ambrose is over with the crowd and Reigns turning on him would do the trick.
So that is weird, I am not getting the notices that someone has posted in this thread. Anyway Raw is in Nashville tonight, Taker will be there.
Say what you will about the brand extension but late last week Ticketmaster had this up for a few shows in May, which was quickly changed.
"Monday Night Raw vs. WWE"
Still think someway we get Taker, Shane and maybe Kane vs. The Wyatts. As I said last week, no way Taker is wrestling as a heel in his home state.
Say what you will about the brand extension but late last week Ticketmaster had this up for a few shows in May, which was quickly changed.
"Monday Night Raw vs. WWE"
Still think someway we get Taker, Shane and maybe Kane vs. The Wyatts. As I said last week, no way Taker is wrestling as a heel in his home state.
Way overdue in my opinion but I guess now the WWE Hall of Fame is located on the last house on the right.
Raw was pretty meh. I liked Triple H getting heat by destroying Ambrose but the rest of the show was pretty bad.
Guess we're getting KO/Show at Mania. Why? Beats me
Ryback is getting a heel turn but no one cares about that guy at all.
Guess we're getting KO/Show at Mania. Why? Beats me
Ryback is getting a heel turn but no one cares about that guy at all.
Actually I have no idea what their angle is with this? Is it to give fans what they want? An Ambrose title shot only for him to lose? Kind of like throwing Bryan in the Fast Lane WWE title picture last year?
I think they made the right move keeping Reigns off TV. Get Ambrose a couple of weeks as "the guy" and get a title shot...have him lose. Have him lose to Brock and then have him go off his rocker as a heel in maybe the Stone Cold 96/97 sense.
Or have Reigns go heel when Cena gets back. That would probably work the best.
So the next attempt to get the crowd behind Reigns will be to have HHH completely destroy Ambrose. This will lead to Reigns running in to make a save or a terrible promo by Reigns vowing revenge for Ambrose.
It's just getting old. It's been 2 years. Vince won't give it up. It's like Lex Luger all over again.
But man what about Ambrose. Crowd seemed behind him last night - Big pop, "AMBROSE!" chants, & cheers when he wanted a title shot.
Oh well, too bad he just is not a big enough face. [eyeroll]
It's just getting old. It's been 2 years. Vince won't give it up. It's like Lex Luger all over again.
But man what about Ambrose. Crowd seemed behind him last night - Big pop, "AMBROSE!" chants, & cheers when he wanted a title shot.
Oh well, too bad he just is not a big enough face. [eyeroll]
That may have been the worst Undertaker segment since the days of fighting Giant Gonzalez and the Fake Undertaker back in the mid 1990's.
So I thought Hey Y2AJ vs. The New Day would be a great Wrestlemania match, and they are going to have it next week.
I guess it is impossible for them to put on two good shows in a row.
So I thought Hey Y2AJ vs. The New Day would be a great Wrestlemania match, and they are going to have it next week.
I guess it is impossible for them to put on two good shows in a row.
I tuned into Raw, saw Dolph Ziggler and the Miz "acting" in each others' general direction before a 45 second match that ended with a roll up
I tuned away from Raw after seeing Dolph Ziggler and the Miz "acting" in each others' general direction before a 45 second match that ended with a roll up
I tuned away from Raw after seeing Dolph Ziggler and the Miz "acting" in each others' general direction before a 45 second match that ended with a roll up
Roadblock on Saturday the 12th on the network? That seems like a terrible idea but that's just my opinion.
Ambrose isn't a top face. Crowd is behind the guy by default, really. There's only two traditional babyfaces in the main event scene and that's Ambrose and Reigns while Lesnar is not really a traditional face.
What you're seeing is similar to Daniel Bryan at last year's Fast Lane. Fans wanted it so WWE is going to give it to them for a bit before Reigns. Ambrose will be the focal point while Reigns is out, he will get a title shot so fans see what that brief storyline is like, he will lose and move on to Brock while Brock and Reigns have a little vacation.
Hopefully it satisfies fans that aren't marks for the belt. Because like Transy pointed out a couple of months ago, fans think too much about the belt and forget you still see your favorites perform and have good matches. Don't need a belt to do that.
What you're seeing is similar to Daniel Bryan at last year's Fast Lane. Fans wanted it so WWE is going to give it to them for a bit before Reigns. Ambrose will be the focal point while Reigns is out, he will get a title shot so fans see what that brief storyline is like, he will lose and move on to Brock while Brock and Reigns have a little vacation.
Hopefully it satisfies fans that aren't marks for the belt. Because like Transy pointed out a couple of months ago, fans think too much about the belt and forget you still see your favorites perform and have good matches. Don't need a belt to do that.
A lot of fans have been wanting a break from Reigns for about a year now.
I'm just being realistic with what's going to happen. Ambrose isn't winning the title and they're certainly not going to make the main event a triple threat or four way.
Reigns ain't winning the title as a heel either. He will win it, he will then turn heel in all likeliness against Cena or a babyface Rollins when he returns later this year. Ambrose isn't going to be "the guy" regardless of what happens with Reigns.
Reigns isn't that great but I'm blown away that the people who hate Reigns somehow think Ambrose is awesome. He's just as terrible on the mic and even worse in the ring and goofy as hell.
Worst case scenario is Reigns wins and fails and it wastes a few months of programming. Then they will bring either Cena back for a title or Rollins and we can see a feud with a top heel like Kevin Owens in the main event.
Reigns ain't winning the title as a heel either. He will win it, he will then turn heel in all likeliness against Cena or a babyface Rollins when he returns later this year. Ambrose isn't going to be "the guy" regardless of what happens with Reigns.
Reigns isn't that great but I'm blown away that the people who hate Reigns somehow think Ambrose is awesome. He's just as terrible on the mic and even worse in the ring and goofy as hell.
Worst case scenario is Reigns wins and fails and it wastes a few months of programming. Then they will bring either Cena back for a title or Rollins and we can see a feud with a top heel like Kevin Owens in the main event.