Clearing Some Things Up...

EditorDawg

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I was rummaging around earlier, looking for some threads about our guys at EMCC and stumbled on the 2012 new unis thread... After reading through the discussion, I thought I should clear something up that was brought up, so here we go...

I'm not completely sure where aTotal360 got his information, but it's absolutely FALSE. For the record, I'm also not calling you a liar, just telling you whatever you were told is not true.

The Mississippi State football videos that I edited in 2010 (and the one in 2011) were EXCLUSIVELY my work and no one else's. I used video that myself and Tim Kelchner shot while covering MSU football for WCBI, I also occasionally sprinkled in some video lifted from ESPN (missed FG from 2010 Florida game and couple of highlights from 2011 Gator Bowl). EVERY SINGLE EDIT was made by me, every idea came from me, and not one part was lifted from someone else.

Now... let me also clear up a couple more things that not many people know, but probably should since it was brought up.

I will never be able to find out why the SEC requested some, but not all, of my videos be taken down. There was no consistent pattern or rule to go by to determine what was "flagged" and what was not. I now understand that their media regulations are WAY harsher than every other conference's, and using any footage from an SEC event is illegal. I also understand that thousands of videos using their footage go untouched. Do I think I was targeted? I absolutely do, but I'm not saying I wasn't in the wrong either... since I began working at EMCC, I removed ALL Mississippi State videos from my account to prevent any other copyright strikes or legal action. Even removing the ones that were allowed to stay after the SEC took their bite in January 2011 and July 2011.

When I removed all videos, that also included the 2011 True Maroon video, which debuted at the spring game that year. That was a video I was asked to do by the SA and Rhett Hobart and I was given archival footage by the school. That video was never flagged by anyone, I'm assuming because the school asked me to do it. If I remember correctly, that had a second or two of ESPN footage in it.

I'm telling you all of this to make a point that I have NEVER tried to pass someone else's work off as my own. I have, from time to time, used footage from other media outlets (ESPN), but that is not out of the ordinary. I won't be able to do videos for Mississippi State until they hire me. And for now, I'm with East Mississippi. Using 100% footage that I shoot and edit myself.

Sorry for the long story, but I felt like these things should be cleared up... because to be completely honest with you, I wish Mississippi State had called when I applied for a job there a year and a half ago.
 

EditorDawg

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Also just realized I didn't identify myself...

I'm Derek Cody... used to be known as "GuyBehindtheGuy" on here.

Carry on.
 

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I've always enjoyed your work. I wish we still had access to your old videos, as well as the benefit of you making new ones. Oh well...
 

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Your videos were always top notch in my book. Wish we still had them to look forward to. MSU should have hired you when they had the chance. Would you go now if they wanted you?
 

EditorDawg

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Thank you! That's actually something the wife and I have talked about before... timing would have to be absolutely perfect... while State would be a dream job, I'm also very committed to building a media department at EMCC...
 

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your videos are great man. i don't think i was ever as hyped as i was the 2010 season mostly due to your videos that you made. MSU screwed up by not hiring you in my opinion. I enjoyed the videos you made from the EMCC season last year telling the story of their championship run. they were top notch.
 

aTotal360

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I'm not completely sure where aTotal360 got his information, but it's absolutely FALSE. For the record, I'm also not calling you a liar, just telling you whatever you were told is not true.

The Mississippi State football videos that I edited in 2010 (and the one in 2011) were EXCLUSIVELY my work and no one else's. I used video that myself and Tim Kelchner shot while covering MSU football for WCBI, I also occasionally sprinkled in some video lifted from ESPN (missed FG from 2010 Florida game and couple of highlights from 2011 Gator Bowl). EVERY SINGLE EDIT was made by me, every idea came from me, and not one part was lifted from someone else.

Now... let me also clear up a couple more things that not many people know, but probably should since it was brought up.

Do I think I was targeted? I absolutely do, but I'm not saying I wasn't in the wrong either... since I began working at EMCC, I removed ALL Mississippi State videos from my account to prevent any other copyright strikes or legal action. Even removing the ones that were allowed to stay after the SEC took their bite in January 2011 and July 2011.

When I removed all videos, that also included the 2011 True Maroon video, which debuted at the spring game that year. That was a video I was asked to do by the SA and Rhett Hobart and I was given archival footage by the school. That video was never flagged by anyone, I'm assuming because the school asked me to do it. If I remember correctly, that had a second or two of ESPN footage in it.

I'm telling you all of this to make a point that I have NEVER tried to pass someone else's work off as my own. I have, from time to time, used footage from other media outlets (ESPN), but that is not out of the ordinary. I won't be able to do videos for Mississippi State until they hire me. And for now, I'm with East Mississippi. Using 100% footage that I shoot and edit myself.

Sorry for the long story, but I felt like these things should be cleared up... because to be completely honest with you, I wish Mississippi State had called when I applied for a job there a year and a half ago.

It's pretty simple, you got paid by "entity X" to video something, used their equipment to produce it and passed it off as your's under your name on your youtube channel. That footage belonged to "entity X", not "GuybehindtheGuy".

Secondly, I've heard from multiple people in multiple media depts at State what they consider to be the truth, and I believe them. Your word against their's, and their's seems to be the most accurate because the footage is no longer permitted on youtube.

And if you think you got "targeted", it wasn't because the SEC/MSU/WCBI was bored. You evidently broke some rules.

And yes, your video that didn't get flagged was legal because Rhett and the SA probably went through the proper channels to allow you to use the footage. They did more than just send you an email and say "hey, put together a video". I GUARANTEE you there was red tape involved.

I wish you nothing but the best. I think you're a great editor. But just admit you used video and equipment to promote yourself and your business that did not belong to you.
 

dickiedawg

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It's pretty simple, you got paid by "entity X" to video something, used their equipment to produce it and passed it off as your's under your name on your youtube channel. That footage belonged to "entity X", not "GuybehindtheGuy".

Secondly, I've heard from multiple people in multiple media depts at State what they consider to be the truth, and I believe them. Your word against their's, and their's seems to be the most accurate because the footage is no longer permitted on youtube.

And if you think you got "targeted", it wasn't because the SEC/MSU/WCBI was bored. You evidently broke some rules.

And yes, your video that didn't get flagged was legal because Rhett and the SA probably went through the proper channels to allow you to use the footage. They did more than just send you an email and say "hey, put together a video". I GUARANTEE you there was red tape involved.

I wish you nothing but the best. I think you're a great editor. But just admit you used video and equipment to promote yourself and your business that did not belong to you.


You'd be a lot easier to take seriously if you knew what an apostrophe was for.
 

DerHntr

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He clearly states he was working for WCBI when he did all of this. A reasonable person would assume he used their equipment. Telling him to state that explicitly like it was being held back is absurd.
 

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Seriously, what's your hard on for this stuff? Guy made some fan videos and he used mostly video he and his team shot. Was he working for WCBI? Yeah, he never hid that and always said he was. He was always completely open with who he was and where he worked and how he made the videos. I don't see the reason for being a dick about it.

ETA: Most people simply copy and cut up the TV feed, I think it's impressive he did very little of that.
 
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Jackdragbean

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It's pretty simple. If you'll read his entire post, I believe that it explains everything. No need to be a douchenozzle. In regards to 'promoting yourself and business,' I'd say that he was the one that put it all together no matter where anything came from, so why not show his abilities and self promote? He didn't steal a completed project and pass it off as his own.
 

EditorDawg

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I did admit that... but I didn't rip off anyone's edits... I used video that I shot or taken from ESPN...

I used "entity X"'s equipment to SHOOT it, not edit it... I had my own system, bought with my own money... the work I was passing off as my own (which is true) is the photography and the editing... I did that, no one else... I seriously don't care who I was paid by to do what... I did something completely independent of my job as a hobby...

I'm not even CLOSE to the only one who has broken said rules... people STILL do it now... hell, I see new videos crop up every week that are MSU-themed... are they taken down?

The point I was trying to make was 1) The edits and vast majority of the photography work were actually done BY ME and 2) While I might have broken rules, I seem to be the only one paying for it when all I was trying to do was help generate excitement for football... Nothing in this world is completely unselfish, though, and neither was this... it served its purpose on both ends... people loved the video, I eventually got a job I wanted... If State was so offended about this, maybe they should look a little harder and try to get rid of EVERYTHING...
 

EditorDawg

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Honestly, if I wanted to... I could get online right now and pull network video of State's first two games and put something together before this weekend.

I know a bunch of people do that, and some of them actually make REALLY good use of that video, but that's not what I do... I only want to use that footage and sound and a supplement, not as the primary content.

Still doesn't make any of what I did completely right, but come on... who am I/was I hurting?
 

aTotal360

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Sorry...

I'm not trying to be a dick. I worked in the multimedia industry for almost 7 years (pre through post) and know that in today's digital environment it's easy to plagiarizer and take other's peoples' work. I'm not saying HE didn't do some of the work. The problem is he wasn't upfront about it originally.

Look, I enjoyed his video too. I thought they where great. He did did a good job.

If you pay for something to get contracted out, you don't want someone else to get if for free. I know I sound like Lars Ulrich, but that's the way it is.


And Cody, I want you to clear up some conflicting reports I have heard...
Did you edit 100% of those videos you posted? Did you make every graphic, make every cut, lay in 100% of the music yourself?
 

EditorDawg

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Edited every frame of video, created every graphic, any effect I used was mine, any music I laid down was music I selected... ALL OF IT was mine. The fact that anyone (not saying it's you) suggests or tells people otherwise is not only infuriating, but actually funny in a way...

Also know I wasn't like snapping back at you or whatever... I knew what you were trying to say...
 
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This whole thing is LT-esque

I remember during the Crxxm Error, I was is my last days over at Swan Lake. After Crxxm actually won a game the sheep were herding up and offering to make copies of the win and send them to each other free of charge. Gene then posted some dire warning from an MSU staff attorney making all kinds of threats that these people were stealing MSU intellectual property.


Nevermind the fact that the win actually stirred up some interest in the program, pour a bucket of water on the enthusiasm. At the same time, I wandered over to a Notre Dame messageboard late one night. They were encouraging people to make copies of ND victories and the school wasn't worried about it. The Irish knew the program was sinking and they looked the other way in favor of keeping fan interest stoked.

Bottom line: be it copies of MSU wins or a guy making high quality videos, both groups were doing this gratas to advance the school. MSU should be supportive of such efforts, not bite the hand that promotes the school.
 

EditorDawg

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I remember during the Crxxm Error, I was is my last days over at Swan Lake. After Crxxm actually won a game the sheep were herding up and offering to make copies of the win and send them to each other free of charge. Gene then posted some dire warning from an MSU staff attorney making all kinds of threats that these people were stealing MSU intellectual property.


Nevermind the fact that the win actually stirred up some interest in the program, pour a bucket of water on the enthusiasm. At the same time, I wandered over to a Notre Dame messageboard late one night. They were encouraging people to make copies of ND victories and the school wasn't worried about it. The Irish knew the program was sinking and they looked the other way in favor of keeping fan interest stoked.

Bottom line: be it copies of MSU wins or a guy making high quality videos, both groups were doing this gratas to advance the school. MSU should be supportive of such efforts, not bite the hand that promotes the school.

One of my favorite things that Oklahoma does is have something in their "Boomer Bytes" section on the main athletic site that FEATURES fan-made videos... I know the SEC and Big XII have far different media rules and regulations, but still... someone as big as Oklahoma encourages stuff like that... why can't State?
 

aTotal360

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did you pull footage from the Melt???

If so, you know for a fact it is completely copyrighted and regulated by MSU and the SEC.
 

KurtRambis4

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Why

do you have some wish to **** all over this guy? The videos were awesome. If you're a State fan, it seems dumb to try to bring this guy down.
 

EditorDawg

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There was a shot of Dan celebrating missed FG at Florida in a couple of the videos... that was pulled from a newscast that I wasn't present for, so I wasn't completely sure where that came from... I personally pulled the highlight and subsequent PKG we ran after State beat Florida that included video from ESPN and I believe MSU... not 100% sure about that though...

Either way, that video isn't any more copyrighted or regulated than ESPN's footage...
 

aTotal360

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I don't

From what I am told, he was stealing from the university. I know what he did seemed very Robin Hood-esque, but he could be shitting on other bulldog fans who happen to draw checks from the our beloved university as well.

I know my side of the discussion will never be the favorite in the public's eye. I'm just stating what what I have been told by several sources within MSU.
 

KurtRambis4

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Well I guess

it's easier to believe frist hand information (his) when compared to thirdhand (yours).
 

archdog

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Damn, everyone needs to calm down. This guy edited his own work and wasn't trying to make money from it. Just boost our fanbase's enthusiasm. The SEC can 17 off for all I care. This guy did good work. MSU should have hired him.
Still the best videos I have seen for MSU, and he was doing it for nothing. Chillidawg should be hired by adidas to design our uniforms and this guy should be our digital media designer.
 

Dawgdom

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Did you video the nut shot avitar? Sounds like he might have stole your girl or pissed on your buick...
 

DerHntr

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So how was he "stealing from the university." Haven't seen you put it that way yet.

I am not being a smartass. Am seriously asking you to explain.
 

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So how was he "stealing from the university." Haven't seen you put it that way yet.

I am not being a smartass. Am seriously asking you to explain.

This is a good question. Was he selling the videos? Was he making a profit from the showing of the videos? Promotion is not the same thing as profit.
 

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My last post on the subject

First of all, I want to say that I think Derek is good at what he does and I wish him well in all of his future endeavors.

So why wasn't he hired? He obviously has the chops to edit. I'm going to say it is because they viewed him as a liability. MSU employees in media departments work under the obligation to protect what belongs to her. The fact Derek posted videos on Youtube probably sent up a red flag that he might be not be able to be trusted with certain elements that he would in contact with on a daily basis working for MSU. ex/ replays that might costs a player's eligibility or even knowledge of who is hurt and who is starting.

If you think that's a stretch, just remember how Sabanistic Coach Mullen is with in-house matters. Most hires that revolve around athletics have this in mind.
 

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Sounds like the "Not Invented Here" syndrome.

Years ago working for a companies field sales organization, the folks at corporate marketing and product development would shoot down any ideas that came from the field because it wasn't their idea.
 

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First of all, I want to say that I think Derek is good at what he does and I wish him well in all of his future endeavors.

So why wasn't he hired? He obviously has the chops to edit. I'm going to say it is because they viewed him as a liability. MSU employees in media departments work under the obligation to protect what belongs to her. The fact Derek posted videos on Youtube probably sent up a red flag that he might be not be able to be trusted with certain elements that he would in contact with on a daily basis working for MSU. ex/ replays that might costs a player's eligibility or even knowledge of who is hurt and who is starting.

If you think that's a stretch, just remember how Sabanistic Coach Mullen is with in-house matters. Most hires that revolve around athletics have this in mind.

This is the hugest pile of complete **** I have ever seen. **** you and **** anyone at MSU who feel the way you do. You want to know who pays for football and all those people's salary? Me! And the other people on this board. I'm getting sick and damn tired of MSU constantly asking for money and then feeling they can treat the alumni like **** and to see someone like you on here thumping their chest and towing the party line for these ******** trying to protect what WE ******* own is distasteful at best. Derek was having some fun putting together some fan videos. People liked them and complimented him and he enjoyed that so he made some more. If there is some jackass at MSU who really feels threatened by that then they should be fired immediately. **** that guy! And you can take your *** back to the RIAA where you belong. We enjoy the videos and we don't need some jackass over here harassing State fans for just trying to have some fun. What total ********!
 

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From what I am told, he was stealing from the university. I know what he did seemed very Robin Hood-esque, but he could be shitting on other bulldog fans who happen to draw checks from the our beloved university as well.

I know my side of the discussion will never be the favorite in the public's eye. I'm just stating what what I have been told by several sources within MSU.

Stealing from the university? Are you 17-ing kidding me? Can you do me a favor? Tell those 'several' people you talked to that they're a bunch of douchebags. MSU is MY school, not theirs. If I want to watch some goddamned MSU football videos on youtube, then I'll by God do it. And to Hell with what a bunch of ****-eating lawyers have to say about it.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ, and we wonder why we're also-rans in the college sports world.
 

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Derek, don't worry about this guy.

He obviously is either one of the people or is friends with one of the people at the school who aren't as good at making videos as you and are pissed about it. It's not your fault that you're simply better at it than him/his friends. Maybe someday the last vestiges of lack of competition within our athletic department (the video group) will become competitive again. Then we won't be subjected to crappy team intro videos with a DJ and no bass thump from spectacular speakers that could knock people over and instead will have something on par with the videos you were producing previously, hopefully more of your work.
 

EditorDawg

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Guys, listen... I know I brought this whole thing up, but I didn't mean for it to get this intense.

I did something (legally) wrong, I knew that AFTER I got "caught". It sucked, but whether anyone else gets away with it or not, I still did something wrong, no matter my motive.

All I really wanted to do was clear up something, because apparently, this has been talked about in the athletic department--likely in a not-completely-truthful and unflattering way. I wanted you all to know that what I did, legal or not, was still my work. Did I own all the video? No, but I shot a VAST majority of it, and did 100% of the work in putting it together. THAT was my only point--to clarify.

I LOVED doing that for y'all and for my school. I hope I can again some day, but I'm having a hell of a time doing it where I am now--East Mississippi. (Shameless plug time: you can find my stuff at EMCCathletics on YouTube).

I don't take a bit of offense to what aTotal360 was telling me. He's right on most accounts and in the legal sense, was 100% right. He complimented my work numerous times and I didn't feel he was trying to bring me down. If State had ever decided to do something to me, I probably would not have come out of it well. Simple reason: technicalities.

I appreciate all of what you guys said, but seriously, it's not THAT big of a deal... Just know my work is my own and I've always been up front about how I've done everything--even back then.
 

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Are the video highlights of Bo Wallace the QB from EMCC last year your work? I remember seeing that video and being impressed. He's now the starting QB at Ole Miss. Only make great videos of players that will sign with MSU from now on ok. All other videos of players that sign at Ole Miss must be of extreme ****** quality ok.
 

EditorDawg

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HA! Yeah, anything from EMCC is mine... Not gonna lie, kinda died a little inside when he signed with UM, but we got Denico!
 

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What happened to the WR...

in that video? Did he sign anywhere? He was pretty impressive too.
 

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My avatar is 100% my work... well

I did use a camera that wasn't mine. Dang, I didn't own the tractor when the picture was shot, it was already sold. Also, the property where the picture was taken belongs to a neighbor. The computer I used to upload the photo, not mine. My goodness maybe its only 19.83% my work, time to lawyer up.