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Cleveland Paper: if Rutgers recruited NJ like OSU does Ohio?

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GoodOl'Rutgers

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Interesting idea that I wish a New jersey paper would do. Show New Jersey HS players what kind of Rutgers team they would be playing on if a good chunk of the top players stayed home. This story asks what if Rutgers recruited NJ like Ohio State recruits Ohio.

If any of you have any social media skills and can get this trending so that every NJ HS football player sees it... well, good on you.

linky

OFFENSE

QB: Brandon Wimbush, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

RB: Corey Clement, Wisconsin (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

TE: Mike Gesicki, Penn State (No. 6 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

WR: Leonte Carroo, Rutgers (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

WR: Noah Brown, Ohio State (No. 5 overall in New Jersey 2014)

WR: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OT: Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OG: Dorian Miller, Rutgers (No. 14 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

C: Brendan Mahon, Penn State (No. 10 in New Jersey in 2013)

OG: Steven Gonzalez, Penn State (No. 8 in New Jersey in 2015)

OT: Keith Lumpkin, Rutgers (No. 9 in New Jersey in 2011)

DEFENSE:

DE: Tashawn Bower, LSU (No. 7 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

DT: Gerald Owens, Michigan State (No. 12 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

DT: Garrett Sickels, Penn State (No. 6 in New Jersey in 2014)

DE: Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State (No. 24 overall in New Jersey in 2011)

LB: Al-Quadin Muhammad, Miami (Fla.) (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

LB: Steve Longa, Rutgers (No. 17 in New Jersey in 2012)

LB: Kemoko Turay, Rutgers (No. 40 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Eli Apple, Ohio State (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

S: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

S: Anthony Cioffi, Rutgers (No. 42 in New Jersey in 2013)
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers

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Rokodesh said:
umm Paul James?
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Over Corey Clement? When James is good, he's great. But he didn't win the job here outright.

And keep in mind, this isn't "if Rutgers got EVERY NJ recruit".. it focuses on the top recruits in the same numbers that OSU got them from Ohio. It is very possible that OSU's national recruiting footprint prevented them from taking more Ohio recruits.

If Rutgers got a good share of the top recruits, it could very well be that they would get even more top players than this list provides because they could take more from NJ than OSU does from Ohio.
 
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mdk02

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A bit of hyperbole here, though the article makes a valid point. Ohio State doesn't get to pick and choose which 50% of Ohio Top 10 recruits they land. That's a very strong team, but also a cherry picked one.
 
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beaced_rivals

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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
Over Corey Clement? When James is good, he's great. But he didn't win the job here outright.

And keep in mind, this isn't "if Rutgers got EVERY NJ recruit".. it focuses on the top recruits in the same numbers that OSU got them from Ohio. It is very possible that OSU's national recruiting footprint prevented them from taking more Ohio recruits.

If Rutgers got a good share of the top recruits, it could very well be that they would get even more top players than this list provides because they could take more from NJ than OSU does from Ohio.
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In H.S. Clement played BEHIND PJ. A good reason why he didn't come to RU.
 
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beaced said:
In H.S. Clement played BEHIND PJ. A good reason why he didn't come to RU.
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Doh! But this ain't HS. Oddly..both of them seem to have injuriy issues as well.

and mdk01... you don't think OSU gets to pick and choose which recruits they get? They got the top 6 one year. the top 6 in their state. Certainly they have some choice in the matter. And if they lose out on one it could be because they already have 2 recruits at the same position who are better.
 
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The 2007 NFL draft had 11 New Jersey guys in the first round.

It is so sad. It is actually embarrassing of a state that it can have so much talent and such a poor football team - relatively speaking.
 
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Guy the Corey Clement vs. Paul James is some what mute this year as both got hurt and are not playing at the same level they both did in High school. But the point of the article is valid and we take all the "Valued Players from the B1G alone and we could be contenders for a NC in football.
Point not made we keep Jersey players that went to other B1G schools and they become less powerful as teams and with that transferred talent we could be winners
Example Wisconsin, if we keep Cory and Tanner They become less dynamic, thus we would have an advantage
 
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Lack of a true tradition continues to play a major role in this. Anyone who has traveled to many of the football power states can't miss the states' love affair with their school.
This just doesn't exist in NJ. At least, nowhere near what it is like elsewhere.
 
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mdk02

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MozRU said:
The 2007 NFL draft had 11 New Jersey guys in the first round.

It is so sad. It is actually embarrassing of a state that it can have so much talent and such a poor football team - relatively speaking.
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I believe you're talking about 2009 and it was 7 from NJ, including Kenny Britt
 
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I'm sure many NJ HS players are aware of this. It doesn't matter, it seems if the player has "football factory" offers..he is usually gone. A couple of things work against RU, the school got serious about being competitive in Div 1 about 15 years ago. OSU has been a national power since the 1950s. Also, the overly negative and self critical culture which exists in NJ, lack of state pride, etc. Over time, things should get better ...but it will never be quick enough for many.
 
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RUschool

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Ru2bnj said:
I'm sure many NJ HS players are aware of this. It doesn't matter, it seems if the player has "football factory" offers..he is usually gone. A couple of things work against RU, the school got serious about being competitive in Div 1 about 15 years ago. OSU has been a national power since the 1950s. Also, the overly negative and self critical culture which exists in NJ, lack of state pride, etc. Over time, things should get better ...but it will never be quick enough for many.
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Need a great salesman.
 
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MozRU said:
The 2007 NFL draft had 11 New Jersey guys in the first round.

It is so sad. It is actually embarrassing of a state that it can have so much talent and such a poor football team - relatively speaking.
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So, you think Rutgers has a poor football team? Just confirming that statement.
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
Interesting idea that I wish a New jersey paper would do. Show New Jersey HS players what kind of Rutgers team they would be playing on if a good chunk of the top players stayed home. This story asks what if Rutgers recruited NJ like Ohio State recruits Ohio.

If any of you have any social media skills and can get this trending so that every NJ HS football player sees it... well, good on you.

linky

OFFENSE

QB: Brandon Wimbush, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

RB: Corey Clement, Wisconsin (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

TE: Mike Gesicki, Penn State (No. 6 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

WR: Leonte Carroo, Rutgers (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

WR: Noah Brown, Ohio State (No. 5 overall in New Jersey 2014)

WR: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OT: Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OG: Dorian Miller, Rutgers (No. 14 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

C: Brendan Mahon, Penn State (No. 10 in New Jersey in 2013)

OG: Steven Gonzalez, Penn State (No. 8 in New Jersey in 2015)

OT: Keith Lumpkin, Rutgers (No. 9 in New Jersey in 2011)

DEFENSE:

DE: Tashawn Bower, LSU (No. 7 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

DT: Gerald Owens, Michigan State (No. 12 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

DT: Garrett Sickels, Penn State (No. 6 in New Jersey in 2014)

DE: Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State (No. 24 overall in New Jersey in 2011)

LB: Al-Quadin Muhammad, Miami (Fla.) (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

LB: Steve Longa, Rutgers (No. 17 in New Jersey in 2012)

LB: Kemoko Turay, Rutgers (No. 40 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Eli Apple, Ohio State (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

S: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

S: Anthony Cioffi, Rutgers (No. 42 in New Jersey in 2013)
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That's a scary looking squad. That squad would make some tremendous waves in the B1G.
 
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When Schiano was hired, didnt he invite all of the top players in NJ to Rutgers and tell them that RU could win National Championships if they stayed home?
 
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LotusAggressor said:
When Schiano was hired, didnt he invite all of the top players in NJ to Rutgers and tell them that RU could win National Championships if they stayed home?
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Yup and they probably could have just not with Schiano as HC. He had good talent and couldn't win in a horrible Big East. Not ever
 
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RUchip said:
Yup and they probably could have just not with Schiano as HC. He had good talent and couldn't win in a horrible Big East. Not ever
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There was nothing "horrible" about the Big East when Schiano coached at Rutgers.

edit: OK, maybe Temple. And -- of course -- Rutgers until 2005.
 
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RUchip said:
Yup and they probably could have just not with Schiano as HC. He had good talent and couldn't win in a horrible Big East. Not ever
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You mean when West Virginia was a powerhouse? When Pitt came to play ball? When SFL would spank out of conference teams from here to Tinbucktoo? When Louisville was a threat to the NCAA Football world order? Is that the time frame you are referring to?
 
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LotusAggressor said:
When Schiano was hired, didnt he invite all of the top players in NJ to Rutgers and tell them that RU could win National Championships if they stayed home?
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See rutgersdave's "great salesman" comment above. Like him or not, Schiano understood how critical having a vision and being able to sell that vision really was/is. People scoffed at his proclamations about winning national championships, but he (having coached at traditional powers and in the NFL) knew that fortune favors the bold. You can't take a timid or excessively measured approach to this challenge here. You need a little swagger. Be bold. Throw it in their faces.
 
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Does the Ledger ever ask these recruits " What are your excuses now, for not playing for RU".
 
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You mean when West Virginia was a powerhouse? When Pitt came to play ball? When SFL would spank out of conference teams from here to Tinbucktoo? When Louisville was a threat to the NCAA Football world order? Is that the time frame you are referring to?
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Lol. Please
 
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SirScarlet said:
i dont think this topic has been covered before...
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Keith Jackson was the first guy to say it out loud.

Whenever a player from NJ did something good in a game he would always say to Frank Broyles, "You know Frank, if (insert name of RU coach at the time) could keep some of them boys home in New Jersey, they might have something there at Rutgers."
 
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GoodOl'Rutgers said:
Interesting idea that I wish a New jersey paper would do. Show New Jersey HS players what kind of Rutgers team they would be playing on if a good chunk of the top players stayed home. This story asks what if Rutgers recruited NJ like Ohio State recruits Ohio.

If any of you have any social media skills and can get this trending so that every NJ HS football player sees it... well, good on you.

linky

OFFENSE

QB: Brandon Wimbush, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

RB: Corey Clement, Wisconsin (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

TE: Mike Gesicki, Penn State (No. 6 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

WR: Leonte Carroo, Rutgers (No. 5 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

WR: Noah Brown, Ohio State (No. 5 overall in New Jersey 2014)

WR: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OT: Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame (No. 2 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

OG: Dorian Miller, Rutgers (No. 14 overall in New Jersey in 2012)

C: Brendan Mahon, Penn State (No. 10 in New Jersey in 2013)

OG: Steven Gonzalez, Penn State (No. 8 in New Jersey in 2015)

OT: Keith Lumpkin, Rutgers (No. 9 in New Jersey in 2011)

DEFENSE:

DE: Tashawn Bower, LSU (No. 7 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

DT: Gerald Owens, Michigan State (No. 12 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

DT: Garrett Sickels, Penn State (No. 6 in New Jersey in 2014)

DE: Shilique Calhoun, Michigan State (No. 24 overall in New Jersey in 2011)

LB: Al-Quadin Muhammad, Miami (Fla.) (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

LB: Steve Longa, Rutgers (No. 17 in New Jersey in 2012)

LB: Kemoko Turay, Rutgers (No. 40 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Eli Apple, Ohio State (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2013)

CB: Minkah Fitzpatrick, Alabama (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2015)

S: Jabrill Peppers, Michigan (No. 1 overall in New Jersey in 2014)

S: Anthony Cioffi, Rutgers (No. 42 in New Jersey in 2013)
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I know this is nit-picking, but Mangiro would start ahead of Mahon and Austin Johnson would be at DT over Sickels.
 
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AreYouNUTS

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2011 - 7 of the top 16
2012 - 8 of the top 15

It has happened before, and can/will happen again, with a HC who can sell a vision and close Jersey kids (which, no doubt, is NOT easy...). No question!
 
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Interesting that the number one rated players in New Jersey in 2013, 2014, and 2015 were all in the secondary.
 
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