Cliff notes from TigerDroppings...
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If the FBI told the NCAA that there was smoke. The NCAA would advise Auburn not to play Newton. Auburn could not have been that bone headed to continue to play him.
Playing Cam and knowing he might be ineligible is one thing, but the post DS quoted makes it sound like Auburn knows for a fact that they're going down. If they know that, they have to know that they are making it worse. If an elaborate pay for play scheme was uncovered, the Death Penalty, while still unlikely, would at least be on the table. Why the hell would they spit in the NCAA's face at that point? That's a whole new level of stupid.<div>
</div><div>I just don't think playing Newton at this point is about going down in a blaze of glory. They have to think they have a real shot at getting out of all of this.</div>
</div><div>I just don't think playing Newton at this point is about going down in a blaze of glory. They have to think they have a real shot at getting out of all of this.</div>
ever since they hired Chizik. The limo deal, for example. Plus, you have to remember that Pat Dye, one of the most accomplished cheaters around, is playing a major, major role in their program again these days.
I thought the side story about how Terry Bowden paid players was amazing. It was just like companypayroll. I never heard anything like that before. How did they avoid the death penalty then? I know-they're Auburn. But hell we gave a freaking clothing discount and got hammered.
I've changed my opinion on this. Now I think Auburn knows its in such bad trouble, that playing Cam a few more games isn't going to make things measurably worse. Either they're already slated for the death penalty, or they think playing 3 more games isn't serious enough to pile the death penalty on top of what else is coming.1984Dawg said:
Even if they bench Cam, the sanctions coming are going to have them so punch drunk that playing Cam a few games might not have been a big deal...provided that it wouldn't trigger the death penalty.
So yeah, blaze of glory.
you have to think that such corruption would lead to AU losing their accreditation (this goes beyond athletics). If they lose their accreditation, they essentially lose their athletics program. If that were inevitable, might as well go down in a blaze of glory because AU football is toast.
That could only be true if, as of last week, the NCAA only knew enough to "recommend" that Newton sits while AU people knew about the forthcoming ****-storm that many allege is going to happen. It certainly is possible that the NCAA is piecing this together now and is picking up on things as the FBI gets further into their own (larger) investigation. As of last week the NCAA may have in the position where they knew it was likely enough evidence would be uncovered to comfortably say he's ineligible, but didn't have it at the time to take a firm stance. Otherwise, the NCAA would have just said "he can't play" and released that to the media.
Of course, all of what I just said is likely pure garbage with less than a percent chance of it being true. It makes for great speculation though!
That could only be true if, as of last week, the NCAA only knew enough to "recommend" that Newton sits while AU people knew about the forthcoming ****-storm that many allege is going to happen. It certainly is possible that the NCAA is piecing this together now and is picking up on things as the FBI gets further into their own (larger) investigation. As of last week the NCAA may have in the position where they knew it was likely enough evidence would be uncovered to comfortably say he's ineligible, but didn't have it at the time to take a firm stance. Otherwise, the NCAA would have just said "he can't play" and released that to the media.
Of course, all of what I just said is likely pure garbage with less than a percent chance of it being true. It makes for great speculation though!
Said the cheating that goes on there is incredible and ridiculous at how brazing and open they are with it. Said when Dye came back he picked up as if he'd never been gone and Bowden was basically a puppet. Tubbs gave resistance to the Money Mongrels and was dismissed after a great run at Auburn. He was dismissed because he wouldn't go along with Dye and McGregor's wishes, despite his pretty damn good win/loss record. My source also said that most of these rumors are in fact true, and he's actually surprised they've gone this long without coming to light. It was inevitable and Cam was the straw that broke the CAMel's back.
And why wouldn't the FBI tell the NCAA about infractions? They have a duty to provide facts to all parties involved. If a certain university and it's boosters is under a federal investigation wouldn't the FBI tell that university's governing body?
And why wouldn't the FBI tell the NCAA about infractions? They have a duty to provide facts to all parties involved. If a certain university and it's boosters is under a federal investigation wouldn't the FBI tell that university's governing body?
AU is kinda like AIG .... a lot of people think they are just to big or important to fail ... I don't see annialization for the program but I'm sure stiff penalties will be handed down.... I also see bama becoming stronger after this .... another beast to deal with
against Auburn. That doesn't mean there wasn't NCAA violations just criminal. I have to believe they are looking at the connection between the illegal gaming activity in Alabama and if that money is the money being used to fuel pay for play. If those dots don't connect then we may not hear anything. If they connect you can write off the Tigers....
One possible reason is that if they have subpoened individuals before the grand jury, then that testimonyfalls underRule6(e) and can not be repeated. Also, in general, most US Attorney's Office take a conservattive approach adnconsider anything found during the course of a grand jury investigationto beunder Rule 6(e). Also,Federal law enforcement agencies do not make it a practice toshare their evidence with others outside the US Attorney's office or other Federal LEOs.There might be some individualFBI agent who may run across a NCAA investigatorand share a lead. But the FBI as an agencydoesn't have a duty to tell the NCAA anything.
Now, the FBI could go to the NCAA and subpoena them forrecords pertaining toany NCAAinvestigation involving subjectsof their invesitgation. Or interview NCAA investigators about their investigations. Which at that point, the NCAA investigator could deduce what was being asked and develop his/her own leads.
They have been completely 100% behind the stance that Cam is eligible. To change the stance now is admitting guilt. They have to been praying that they luck up or they arescrewed anyway.
...now that's been quiet, which is what you expect from the FBI. I wonder how many "agents" are going to be indicted.
John Gresham story.Yes. Do I think connecting the dots from an ellaboratepay-to-play scheme to the Auburn Board of Trustees and other big time boosters is out of the question? No. It is a little far fetched as of right now, but to think it might not be true is not out of the question
The Terry Bowden interview with Paul Davis, the Ramsey tapes and Pat Dye, Bobby Lowder's bank going under and remaining on the Board of Trustees because of his relationships with Alabama politicians, The YellaWood guy, the University getting a slap in the face probation from SACS, McGregor and his casinas.It all is very interesting and does show thata handful of alumni have hijacked the university and have gone rogue.
Lets face it . Auburn could go from one end of the spectrum and go unscathed and walk from this thing like nothing happened.At the other end of the sepectrum they could lose accredidation from SACS which would ultimately lead to them being kicked out of the SEC. Whats even worse, is none of their students could get into med school, law school , etc because of not being an accredited university .
If youlook at Auburn'spast with Pat Dye and how he conducted his program to the Terry Bowden interview, it is no question in my mind that Auburn has been cheating again. Going from 5-7 in 2008 to 7-5 in 2009 with a coach that went 5-19 at Iowa State does not land you the top high school player in Arkansas (Dyer), the top player in Mississippi (Shon Coleman) , the best JUCO player in the country (Newton), the best DE in Florida (C.Lemonier) along with 4 other 4stars form Alabama. Chizik is a puppett, Trooper Taylor is a bagman , and Auburn is being run by big money alumni who are running the university in the ground, just like he did his bank. </p>
Will they get caught? That is $200,000 question. It all depends on how well they covered their tracks.
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The Terry Bowden interview with Paul Davis, the Ramsey tapes and Pat Dye, Bobby Lowder's bank going under and remaining on the Board of Trustees because of his relationships with Alabama politicians, The YellaWood guy, the University getting a slap in the face probation from SACS, McGregor and his casinas.It all is very interesting and does show thata handful of alumni have hijacked the university and have gone rogue.
Lets face it . Auburn could go from one end of the spectrum and go unscathed and walk from this thing like nothing happened.At the other end of the sepectrum they could lose accredidation from SACS which would ultimately lead to them being kicked out of the SEC. Whats even worse, is none of their students could get into med school, law school , etc because of not being an accredited university .
If youlook at Auburn'spast with Pat Dye and how he conducted his program to the Terry Bowden interview, it is no question in my mind that Auburn has been cheating again. Going from 5-7 in 2008 to 7-5 in 2009 with a coach that went 5-19 at Iowa State does not land you the top high school player in Arkansas (Dyer), the top player in Mississippi (Shon Coleman) , the best JUCO player in the country (Newton), the best DE in Florida (C.Lemonier) along with 4 other 4stars form Alabama. Chizik is a puppett, Trooper Taylor is a bagman , and Auburn is being run by big money alumni who are running the university in the ground, just like he did his bank. </p>
Will they get caught? That is $200,000 question. It all depends on how well they covered their tracks.
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