Or the ones you misjudged and paid and now you had to send them on their way after realizing that
Close to $30 million
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Wow….just…..wow. Only an MSU fan can be this gullible. Give Croom time guys.
But honestly it’s not even about Heavy Lebby. Selmon will just hire another non-fit unless he just gets lucky.
How much did OSU spend under the table? That is my question for all the programs. The players that received the $23 million had to pay taxes. The money under the table doesn't. If a player talks to a team and they say $500k above $250k below and it will be the same as getting $1 million after taxes (estimated) versus an $800k from another team what does he do? I'm sure creative financing is taking place.
Wellllllllllll......since he asked for it, and I just found out it's easy to search dates of posts, and Lenny was hired on 11-23-23......I'll oblige him:
Can we afford a top QB from the portal? - Forums
I know we just increased NIL by 2.2 million with that match. I don't know the total though, but half of what we just raised would go to a top portal QB which is ridiculous. We need a lot out of the portal. Do we have what it takes to pay one position that much?
If it is Lebby....two things - Forums
1) I have to think Selmon is well enough connected and liked at OU that if Lebby has a huge downside someone would have "put a bug in his ear" to beware. 2) I/we now all know we made a hasty decision on Arnett but I still applaud us taking care of business and not dragging a s s on...
Is Jeff Lebby JoMo 2.0? - Forums
Both are/were considered offensive geniuses that had little (Fordham) head coaching experience. Lot of RPO, which requires too much thinking/decision making for a college QB after snap in my opinion. Maybe Lebby’s is improved/simplified? Just watched an interview with Lebby. Mannerisms, voice...
We are losing supporters - Forums
LEAVE. Be GONE. It’s a free country. Our offense SUCKED, and we took measures to improve it. Lebby was the best option. You don’t have to tell the rest of us how immoral we are for supporting Lebby. That’s not for you to judge. Go back to your glass houses and keep your money that...
And the creme de la crumb for @paindonthurt :
If it’s Lebby, what’s your issue? - Forums
And use intelligence and actual reasoning to respond
Definitely appears I had a bead on this one. El Oh 17ing El.
Did we not spend 8-4 money on this past team? I heard between 15-20mil on the roster. Could be wrong, but it definitely shapes the lens I view this staff through. At $30mil we are still very much underwhelming at the spots we actually need the help in the portal IMO.
Hahahaha this post is classic you.Wellllllllllll......since he asked for it, and I just found out it's easy to search dates of posts, and Lenny was hired on 11-23-23......I'll oblige him:
Can we afford a top QB from the portal? - Forums
I know we just increased NIL by 2.2 million with that match. I don't know the total though, but half of what we just raised would go to a top portal QB which is ridiculous. We need a lot out of the portal. Do we have what it takes to pay one position that much?www.on3.com
If it is Lebby....two things - Forums
1) I have to think Selmon is well enough connected and liked at OU that if Lebby has a huge downside someone would have "put a bug in his ear" to beware. 2) I/we now all know we made a hasty decision on Arnett but I still applaud us taking care of business and not dragging a s s on...Is Jeff Lebby JoMo 2.0? - Forums
Both are/were considered offensive geniuses that had little (Fordham) head coaching experience. Lot of RPO, which requires too much thinking/decision making for a college QB after snap in my opinion. Maybe Lebby’s is improved/simplified? Just watched an interview with Lebby. Mannerisms, voice...We are losing supporters - Forums
LEAVE. Be GONE. It’s a free country. Our offense SUCKED, and we took measures to improve it. Lebby was the best option. You don’t have to tell the rest of us how immoral we are for supporting Lebby. That’s not for you to judge. Go back to your glass houses and keep your money that...
And the creme de la crumb for @paindonthurt :
If it’s Lebby, what’s your issue? - Forums
And use intelligence and actual reasoning to respond
Definitely appears I had a bead on this one. El Oh 17ing El.
You said a bunch of random stuff where you can claim you were right no matter the scenario.
Nothing you linked is even remotely L O 17ing L worthy except for you looking in the mirror!
I’ll give you 20 to 1 odds on your IQ being lower than 110!!
I think we need to all to take the time to carefully read these threads (like I did) and acknowledge that The Goat Holder is THE G.O.A.T.Wellllllllllll......since he asked for it, and I just found out it's easy to search dates of posts, and Lenny was hired on 11-23-23......I'll oblige him:
Can we afford a top QB from the portal? - Forums
I know we just increased NIL by 2.2 million with that match. I don't know the total though, but half of what we just raised would go to a top portal QB which is ridiculous. We need a lot out of the portal. Do we have what it takes to pay one position that much?If it is Lebby....two things - Forums
1) I have to think Selmon is well enough connected and liked at OU that if Lebby has a huge downside someone would have "put a bug in his ear" to beware. 2) I/we now all know we made a hasty decision on Arnett but I still applaud us taking care of business and not dragging a s s on...Is Jeff Lebby JoMo 2.0? - Forums
Both are/were considered offensive geniuses that had little (Fordham) head coaching experience. Lot of RPO, which requires too much thinking/decision making for a college QB after snap in my opinion. Maybe Lebby’s is improved/simplified? Just watched an interview with Lebby. Mannerisms, voice...We are losing supporters - Forums
LEAVE. Be GONE. It’s a free country. Our offense SUCKED, and we took measures to improve it. Lebby was the best option. You don’t have to tell the rest of us how immoral we are for supporting Lebby. That’s not for you to judge. Go back to your glass houses and keep your money that...
And the creme de la crumb for @paindonthurt :
If it’s Lebby, what’s your issue? - Forums
And use intelligence and actual reasoning to respond
Definitely appears I had a bead on this one. El Oh 17ing El.
Capping? What the hell? This isn't the NFL. This is America dadblastit!
Capping a college teams N.I.L./Portal budget is not the answer. Nobody is in charge,
Who is going to police a capping system? College Presidents? Boosters? The NCAA?
The NCAA were looking the other way and in some cases helping the blue bloods buy players before the N.I.L. ruling. They would do it a again under a cap system.
Right now is the absolute best time to buy and build a winner. But you have to be smart and put the right team in place to do it (See IU.... hell, see OM).
If a winning football program at MSU means anything at all to you, pay up or zip up.
Capping a college teams N.I.L./Portal budget is not the answer. Nobody is in charge,
Who is going to police a capping system? College Presidents? Boosters? The NCAA?
The NCAA were looking the other way and in some cases helping the blue bloods buy players before the N.I.L. ruling. They would do it a again under a cap system.
Right now is the absolute best time to buy and build a winner. But you have to be smart and put the right team in place to do it (See IU.... hell, see OM).
If a winning football program at MSU means anything at all to you, pay up or zip up.
Goat is definitely the king of “I told you guys” without actually telling anyone anything…. But you do need to come around to the idea that you have a weakness about Lebby for some reason. You’re one of the few posters on here that refuses to admit Lebby has been an absolute failure. Goat has been consistent since day 1 that Lebby was a bad hire. Although that was absolute luck because he had no basis to know Lebby was going to be a disaster.
Speaking of the clearing house, here's an article:
https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ed-500-plus-nil-deals-worth-nearly-15-million
https://www.espn.com/college-sports...ed-500-plus-nil-deals-worth-nearly-15-million
Interesting. Average approved deal worth less than $10k. Pretty useless data without stratification, sport, etc.
The biggest difference between us and Ole Miss is when things go south for them they double down. When it goes south for us we quit.
I don’t really need to come around about Lebby.
I have no idea if it was a good hire or not.
I know this for a FACT
he took over a terrible situation
we improved in year 2 and it’s obvious unless you are dumb. 5 wins vs 3 and close to 8 (yes and we could have lost 1 or 2)
Our Oline and dline is terrible. Abysmal. With an average Oline and d line we win 7 easily.
He has to win 6 next year and we have to recruit/sign better talent.
I'm neither there nor there on Lebby yet, but the guy was starting from the absolute lowest point talent wise we have started from since at least the 1960s. We had little to nothing in the stable. On the defensive side it was really pitiful.
He hated Lebby from the day he was hired, and was not shy about saying so.
Just in case there’s anyone out there in danger of taking a glass half full view, I offer you this
1. Lebby’s 2026 HS class - 87.18 avg rating - Last in SEC
2. Lebby’s 2026 portal class - 86.22 avg rating - Last in SEC
3. #1 off season priority, OL - signed 2 of the top 100 OL transfers with the top one being #60
Absolutely fan17ingtastic use of $30M, I tell ya
1. Lebby’s 2026 HS class - 87.18 avg rating - Last in SEC
2. Lebby’s 2026 portal class - 86.22 avg rating - Last in SEC
3. #1 off season priority, OL - signed 2 of the top 100 OL transfers with the top one being #60
Absolutely fan17ingtastic use of $30M, I tell ya
Just so we are on the record — where do you think $30mil to build a single team ranks?
Thats more than either of the last two Ole Miss rosters. It’s a similar number to the Ohio State that won it all literally last year. It’s double what Indiana has spent.
We spent top 20ish $$ last year if what I was told at the start of the season was true with nothing to show for it. If Hadad’s number is correct — which probably is — we are looking at top 10 expenditure.
Fact. The 5 wins this year exactly many as we had in the “terrible situation” he took over from.
Provide a legit source where we spent $20
I’ll wait patiently
and I don’t doubt we have $30 million available. I’ll wait and see if I think we spend that.
And I assure you. No one trusts “your sources”.
I agree with you on this. The team before Lebby took over was worse at the end of the year. They got progressively worse after each game. Lebby was handed a dumpster fire and many on here said as much.
Came here to say just that, he turned a 5 W team into a 2 W team w/ no conference wins first year. 2nd year he wins 1 conference game against a team w/ an interim HC and beat the non conference teams and has us back where we started from except he's taken $8.7 MILLION in salary alone, plus the asst coaches salaries which he's finally seeing are not good so he's cleaning house with them. Then the matter of WHATEVER we've spent on NIL, so depending on who you believe, we're I don't know $50-$60 million down for the past two years to be back where we started from which was from what everyone is telling us was a pitiful situation?
What was Cignetti handed? It’s not a multi-year building process anymore when the money is right.
Not even worth fighting with you in the same thread Goat has already owned you on the exact same request.
You repeatedly asked for proof that was unreasonable to look up.
He went ahead and looked it up.
You have proof and you dismiss it.
Then you unironically say that the other person is being a classic version of themselves.
You are incapable of growth.
Yes if we had cignetti i'd feel a lot better. When we fire lebby who are we gonna hire? Who is your cignetti that we can get here.
Aw thats cute.
Except he didn't provid proof. He linked him saying a bunch of stuff.
Proof? It works like this for example.
Goat - "i told ya'll cignetti was gonna be good at Indiana"
Pain - "no you didn't, show me proof"
Goat - links a post from before cignetti plays a half season that says something along these lines "cignetti will win 10 games at Indiana within 2 years"; "cignetti will win a natty"; "cignetti will win the big 10"
You know? something concrete?
The problem is that we're going to have to overspend by a lot to be good. Let's say that we're spending the same amount relative to Texas, LSU, Bama, UGA, etc. If a kid is offered relatively the same amount of money by us as Texas, which offer is he going to take. The vast majority of the time that recruit is probably going to Texas. It's a perception issue. We're in a difficult spot.
Gullible? I hate to break it to you but to hire a coach your NIL infrastructure, ability to construct a roster, and ability to fully fund a scouting department will be the main selling points to hiring a new coach. We’ve been playing catch up for 2 years in all 3 areas. I understand that you cant grasp these simple facts and that’s ok. We should just go hire Curt Cignetti and poof magic happens like we’re at Disney World.
Ole Miss seems to have overcome it. If they can so can we. You are leaving out the opportunity for playing time. There are a lot of variables if the money is close.