CLOSED - So True Detective...
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I didn't watch it last night, watched Walking Dead instead and then I was
too tired to watch TD. I figured it might be a slow episode leading up to the last two being explosive. I'll watch it tonight. I'm becoming more and more convinced Woody or his family has something to do with everything.
too tired to watch TD. I figured it might be a slow episode leading up to the last two being explosive. I'll watch it tonight. I'm becoming more and more convinced Woody or his family has something to do with everything.
Walking back a little from Marty's involvement after last night's episode. Back to believing this was all part of the master plan of the writers to lead us that way. I really think this ends with Cohle and Marty working the case and going balls to the wall to catch the ones behind it. Something also makes me believe that Jerry Falwell is behind the porn images in the book that tent preacher found.
At this point, I am at a loss for it and do not know who the killer truly is. Has to be someone that has not been seen yet. Also, I am curious to see what makes Marty lose his s*** in Cohle's storage unit in the previews. Cannot think its something with his daughter but what else could it be?
At this point, I am at a loss for it and do not know who the killer truly is. Has to be someone that has not been seen yet. Also, I am curious to see what makes Marty lose his s*** in Cohle's storage unit in the previews. Cannot think its something with his daughter but what else could it be?
in scenes for next week, they show marty looking at evidence that cohle took him back to his house to show him. Marty started freaking out, which I assume means that cohle showed him evidence that marty's daughter was involved as a victim.
Definitely, but they had to finish the story arc of Cole and Marty's past up to the point the go have a beer in present time.
I hate to spoil it for you guys but I think this is going to end up as one of those stories where the bad guys still don't get caught. I also think Marty's daughter is a red herring based on his reaction to finding the kids in the truck trailer, walking out and killing dude in execution style when they "found" the killer. I think Marty would lose it seeing any kid abused. I could be wrong based on the doll scene but maybe she was just witness to something wrong.
I hate to spoil it for you guys but I think this is going to end up as one of those stories where the bad guys still don't get caught. I also think Marty's daughter is a red herring based on his reaction to finding the kids in the truck trailer, walking out and killing dude in execution style when they "found" the killer. I think Marty would lose it seeing any kid abused. I could be wrong based on the doll scene but maybe she was just witness to something wrong.
Good episode... Some Speculation & Spoilers up to last night.
The reason Rust quit is because he knew he would never solve the crime as a State Policeman because of the cover ups that he was beginning to sniff out in 2002. But his obsessive nature forces causes him to go rover and spend the next 10 years chasing leads and gathering evidence in his storage shed while keeping his tracks covered. He breaks into Rev. Tuttle's houses and collects a lot of damning information, Tuttle knows he cant talk his way out of whatever he got caught with so he suicide OD's.
I think that the real crime here is human trafficking and child prostitution with the murders just being a by-product. And that the evidence that Rust gets from Tuttle's house is tapes and photos of children wearing antlers and... other sick stuff. And higher ups in the local government and community are a part of the whole thing (tuttle, other detectives for sure.)
I also think that the white haired detective that's been acting smug towards Rust is in on the cover up. He was the 4th guy in the Major's office when Rust quits his job. The modern day interviewers are just the catspaw for these people and have had the idea of Rust's guilt planted by the white haired detective to keep them busy and off the real case (the human trafficking).
Reggie was the drug maker for the group. Producing drugs to subdue the victims and be used by the group. But then he started to do too much side work for the biker gang and the yellow king people wanted him out, so they drop a bread crumb trail for Rust and Woody to follow and plant two kids out there at the compound so the case would appear to have been solved and everyone off the hook.
I think the ritualistic murders are being used by the group as a distraction form their real cause. Whenever a detective is getting too close to figuring them out they take one of their dead victims and connect them somehow to a scapegoat (Reggie). The department only has so many detectives and if they can be kept busy chasing a murderer then they wont be able to catch the human traffickers. They saw Rust coming into town and knew their were some recently missing children, so they pretty much occupy his whole career with the Dora Lange murder that they lay out on his first week on the job.
Yea... I'm obsessed with this show.
The reason Rust quit is because he knew he would never solve the crime as a State Policeman because of the cover ups that he was beginning to sniff out in 2002. But his obsessive nature forces causes him to go rover and spend the next 10 years chasing leads and gathering evidence in his storage shed while keeping his tracks covered. He breaks into Rev. Tuttle's houses and collects a lot of damning information, Tuttle knows he cant talk his way out of whatever he got caught with so he suicide OD's.
I think that the real crime here is human trafficking and child prostitution with the murders just being a by-product. And that the evidence that Rust gets from Tuttle's house is tapes and photos of children wearing antlers and... other sick stuff. And higher ups in the local government and community are a part of the whole thing (tuttle, other detectives for sure.)
I also think that the white haired detective that's been acting smug towards Rust is in on the cover up. He was the 4th guy in the Major's office when Rust quits his job. The modern day interviewers are just the catspaw for these people and have had the idea of Rust's guilt planted by the white haired detective to keep them busy and off the real case (the human trafficking).
Reggie was the drug maker for the group. Producing drugs to subdue the victims and be used by the group. But then he started to do too much side work for the biker gang and the yellow king people wanted him out, so they drop a bread crumb trail for Rust and Woody to follow and plant two kids out there at the compound so the case would appear to have been solved and everyone off the hook.
I think the ritualistic murders are being used by the group as a distraction form their real cause. Whenever a detective is getting too close to figuring them out they take one of their dead victims and connect them somehow to a scapegoat (Reggie). The department only has so many detectives and if they can be kept busy chasing a murderer then they wont be able to catch the human traffickers. They saw Rust coming into town and knew their were some recently missing children, so they pretty much occupy his whole career with the Dora Lange murder that they lay out on his first week on the job.
Yea... I'm obsessed with this show.
oh, I agree. But, that is in Cohle's storage locker that the current detectives want to see. (not that its a huge difference, I am just betting that the locker is going to be packed with creepy evidence). And, I also loved how Cohle was stalking the current day detectives. That's why he came up behind Marty on the road. He was outside the police station.
I think they wrapped up more than it seems last night. They sort of put to bed all of the wild theories. This isn't Lost. These people are exactly who they seem, and the show's a pretty straightforward detective piece, just in a different format. A detective trying to convince his partner of the truth while he's being framed isn't' exactly new.
Also, The bunny ranch girl was the only character other than the father-in-law who looked like they were given a little too much attention to be insignificant. Now there's only the FIL.
Also, The bunny ranch girl was the only character other than the father-in-law who looked like they were given a little too much attention to be insignificant. Now there's only the FIL.
I am getting concerned about this show. After a seamless start, the last two episodes were disjointed, and we seem to be headed to some trite 'Christian evangelists are really child killers' story. Flame away.
There's no way something hasn't happened to Marty's daughter. The barbie doll scene and the drawings are totally irrelevant in that case. This isn't really a show with red herrings. At a minimum she witnessed something as a child.
I agree though that Marty's reaction to finding the kids in 95 shows that his reaction in the preview doesn't necessarily have to be at seeing his own daughter.
I agree though that Marty's reaction to finding the kids in 95 shows that his reaction in the preview doesn't necessarily have to be at seeing his own daughter.
I think your missing the point of the plot if you think the show is painting religious fanatics as sickos. It's more likely that the sickos are using religious influences as a cover up as well as a means to get to their victims.
I don't disagree that there is something wrong with the kid, I just think it may be more in the line with the catatonic girl... "He made me watch."
I'm starting to think it's like Simon Pegg and Nick Frost in Hot Fuzz... Everybody you've met throughout the entire show is involved. Even the sheriff who owned a stake in the bunny ranch. I noticed his office walls were covered with deer trophies.
The Tuttle guy has been on various Law and Orders about 8 times. I know I've seen him and Detective Goren going at it.
I don't know how they wrap this up in 2 episodes without feeling rushed.
I don't know how they wrap this up in 2 episodes without feeling rushed.
Po-tay-to, po-ta-o. I think the point of the show is more of a study on the hopeless nature of the human experience or some such philosophical thing. I just hope they surprise me over the next two episodes instead of making some grand and very tired anti-religious statement.
Frankly, what evangelicals can bemoan being painted as lunatics today? Most are, frankly... I think making the 'tired anti-religious statement' would be akin to making the expected statement based on everyone's expectations of tent evangelists. Not picking a fight, just saying...
The statement that's being made
Are you saying that you may have your Christian sensitivities offended by a possible anti-extreme-evangelical statement that may be made at the end of this series? This series that has already gone on for 6 of it's 8 hours? This one that's rated TV-MA, chock full of nudity, extramarital sex, alcohol/drug abuse, and profanity? This one that revolves around ritualistic, sadistic murders and child abuse and has a nihilistic atheist as the primary hero?
I would think anyone that could be offended by an anti-religious statement at the end of this series wouldn't be around to see it.
Are you saying that you may have your Christian sensitivities offended by a possible anti-extreme-evangelical statement that may be made at the end of this series? This series that has already gone on for 6 of it's 8 hours? This one that's rated TV-MA, chock full of nudity, extramarital sex, alcohol/drug abuse, and profanity? This one that revolves around ritualistic, sadistic murders and child abuse and has a nihilistic atheist as the primary hero?
I would think anyone that could be offended by an anti-religious statement at the end of this series wouldn't be around to see it.
And... Did y'all notice that Cohle didn't swing at Marty?
It was as though he was in the mindset of "i deserve this" or the fact that he could really injure Marty. Noticed that he also asked him to not get up... His 'nice hook' was also genuine.
Cohle is bad to the bone.
It was as though he was in the mindset of "i deserve this" or the fact that he could really injure Marty. Noticed that he also asked him to not get up... His 'nice hook' was also genuine.
Cohle is bad to the bone.
Really. Lunatics. We're mostly all a bunch of stark raving lunatics now? I know bunches and bunches of evangelicals, and of them only a handful are lunatics, and some of them aren't lunatics because of their faith. Of course, if you believe that someone who has faith in God and a belief in Jesus as the savior of the world is automatically a lunatic, then yes, I and many people I know are lunatics in your eyes.
I know this will eventually get locked. Sorry to my mod brethren.
Not sure if it's ironic or just fitting...
But my response to this could easily be summed up by quoting much of Cohle's speech in the revival tent scene.
But my response to this could easily be summed up by quoting much of Cohle's speech in the revival tent scene.
Pump the breaks, gentlemen. I made a comment about the creative quality of the show. Sometimes shows start off good and end up not-so-good. I hope this one stays in the good category. The jury is still out for me. If it makes you feel good to use this as an opportunity to opine on your beliefs or non-beliefs, I advise you do so before the thread is locked.
I don't like that word, either, but I wonder what word you would use to describe someone just as passionate about their obviously wrong religion as you are about your obviously correct one?
What do you think is the right word for someone who spends all their money on Scientology? Someone who wears magic underwear all the time? Someone that thinks Sharia Law should be the law of the land? Someone who thinks educating girls is a sin? Someone that sits perfectly still all day because a Monkey God told him to?
Those people aren't insane, either, but I think you would agree that they are wrong and what they do with their wrong beliefs sometimes affects others negatively. In areas where people in the majority hold beliefs that affect others negatively, you should expect some kickback.
"Start asking the right 17ing questions." - Rust Cohle
What do you think is the right word for someone who spends all their money on Scientology? Someone who wears magic underwear all the time? Someone that thinks Sharia Law should be the law of the land? Someone who thinks educating girls is a sin? Someone that sits perfectly still all day because a Monkey God told him to?
Those people aren't insane, either, but I think you would agree that they are wrong and what they do with their wrong beliefs sometimes affects others negatively. In areas where people in the majority hold beliefs that affect others negatively, you should expect some kickback.
"Start asking the right 17ing questions." - Rust Cohle
Fanatic. The correct term would be fanatic.
Also where the generalized term "fan" comes from. Also a sports apparel website with reasonable prices, acceptable shipping, and decent return policies.
The term "zealot" is frequently used to describe such behavior, as well; but the word somehow portrays a certain dismissive judgmentality that "fanatic" only suggests.
Lunatic means someone who is suffering mental deficiencies as a result of a phase of the moon, and that's just silly. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.
Also where the generalized term "fan" comes from. Also a sports apparel website with reasonable prices, acceptable shipping, and decent return policies.
The term "zealot" is frequently used to describe such behavior, as well; but the word somehow portrays a certain dismissive judgmentality that "fanatic" only suggests.
Lunatic means someone who is suffering mental deficiencies as a result of a phase of the moon, and that's just silly. You're an idiot if you think otherwise.
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Convicted? Faithful? Grounded? Regardless of how I feel about the accuracy of what others believe, I try not to resort to name-calling. People shouldn't slam the door on the Mormons or the Jehova's Witnesses or the Muslims or the local Baptist church. In many cases their belief systems motivate them into sharing their own versions of truth. You can politely tell any of them no thank you and be done with it if you don't want to listen. They are not lunatics for what they believe though.
There are lunatics out there. People who fly planes into buildings with the intent of killing people. Jim Jones. Westboro Baptist Church. And Tom Cruise.
People have the ability and capacity to believe what they want to believe. My belief is that God is the author of the universe and Jesus its savior. If a Monkey God told someone to sit still all day, that's fine. My belief is that if someone should share Christ with this person, and that someone is me. Sadly I don't do a great job of this. If the person rejects Christ over and over, then he/she has exercised his/her own free will.
Sorry to disappoint, as the question seems to desire a more inflammatory answer.
There are lunatics out there. People who fly planes into buildings with the intent of killing people. Jim Jones. Westboro Baptist Church. And Tom Cruise.
People have the ability and capacity to believe what they want to believe. My belief is that God is the author of the universe and Jesus its savior. If a Monkey God told someone to sit still all day, that's fine. My belief is that if someone should share Christ with this person, and that someone is me. Sadly I don't do a great job of this. If the person rejects Christ over and over, then he/she has exercised his/her own free will.
Sorry to disappoint, as the question seems to desire a more inflammatory answer.
Please forgive me...
... for changing your creative quality statement into a religiosity statement. I guess I got confused when I read this:
and this:
and then assumed that YOU brought the religion angle into this conversation, where it hadn't mentioned it up until now. I thought it was ironic that anyone left watching this would have that concern. That isn't me opining about my beliefs on anything but apparent inconsistencies.
... for changing your creative quality statement into a religiosity statement. I guess I got confused when I read this:
and this:
and then assumed that YOU brought the religion angle into this conversation, where it hadn't mentioned it up until now. I thought it was ironic that anyone left watching this would have that concern. That isn't me opining about my beliefs on anything but apparent inconsistencies.
I think you're wrong about this. There are some of us out there who will be aesthetically offended if not religiously offended if after all this careful construction that we end up with "Southern Evangelicals who promote religious school vouchers are child rapists and murders, y'all."
It seems like a more thoughtful show than that. And add me to the list of those who will be mad if that's the conclusion.
I wasn't looking for an inflammatory answer, just a better word that conveyed that you think they believe in something that is completely wrong, as in obviously silly wrong (Scientology, Magic Underwear) or maybe even dangerously wrong (Sharia Law or don't educate the girls). The words you gave are all honorable, sincere sounding words that give no indication that you think they are wrong.
It seems to me that you are actually o.k. with using the word lunatic for describing dangerous and/or silly beliefs, given the list you gave. The only one in that list I would agree might be a lunatic, as in actually mentally ill, is Jim Jones, because he orchestrated what he did where everyone else is just following the beliefs they hold to be true and acted in accordance with those beliefs. Weird, yep...silly, yep....dangerous, yep....but I don't think insane.
Seeing how all of the major players are from TX and LA, I think they stand in good awareness to say what they want about the area. Hell, McConaughey and Harrelson are from TX, born and bred. The creator went to school at LSU. They have creative clearance to say what they want about the 'bumpkins' and 'trash'... They have basically lived it.
I'm not sure what you are saying here: are you saying that because they are from the south it's fine if they take a complex multi-layered work of art and reduce it to an overly simplistic conclusion?
Or are you just trying to put my mind at ease that because the folks most closely associated with the show are actually Southern that we don't have to worry that they will blow it that badly?
Last night's episode, other movies and TV episodes, and a bunch of Hollywood celebrity interviews in which people show contempt for conservative/strong religious believers of various faiths have me on guard about this show going from one of the best things I've seen on TV to total crap in three episodes.
I think if a bunch of people that are from the South and grew up in the South can be expected to make a pretty fair representation of the South. If you feel differently, maybe you don't actually have a good grasp of what the South is... I can be from MS and love a lot of things from the South... yet fully appreciate the way the South is and the issues that are at play.
"show contempt for conservative/strong religious believers of various faiths"???? Are you kidding me? To me, it shows they show contempt for crazies!!! Don't matter what their religious preference is...
"show contempt for conservative/strong religious believers of various faiths"???? Are you kidding me? To me, it shows they show contempt for crazies!!! Don't matter what their religious preference is...
So far with the show, we've seen contempt for the crazies, but I'm not sure where we're headed. I don't have the same sense that you do that as fellow Southerners Woody Harralson and I share the same view. And I actually lolled about the idea that if we don't, that it's that's necessarily mine that's the inaccurate one.
TD has been awesome so far, and if they wrap it up the way it started, it will be extraordinarily fine art. But if we end up with rehashed Jim Baker and Tammy Fay type crap with an incidental side of child molestation and murder, it's going to be really, really hard to regard it as particularly good art. It will neither reflect reality nor illuminate the human condition in anything like an original or particularly thoughtful way. (You could get that kind of thematic crap out of a Law and Order SVU unit show with a religious wack job in an hour.)
It may turn out that freaking True Blood shows a more nuanced portrayal of religion in Louisiana depending on exactly how True Detective wraps up.
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