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Coach A vs Stansbury

dawgstudent

dawgstudent

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Coach A In the past 12 years
  • 10 post season appearances
  • 6 NCAA Trips
  • 4 NIT
  • 1 Sweet 16
  • Zero Conf Championships
Stansbury
  • 10 post season appearances
  • 6 NCAA Trips
  • 4 NIT Trips
  • 0 Sweet 16
  • One Conference Championship
  • 2 Conference Tourney Championship
Discuss your answer if you want.
 
dawgstudent

dawgstudent

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Coach A In the past 12 years
  • 10 post season appearances
  • 6 NCAA Trips
  • 4 NIT
  • 1 Sweet 16
  • Zero Conf Championships
Stansbury
  • 10 post season appearances
  • 6 NCAA Trips
  • 4 NIT Trips
  • 0 Sweet 16
  • One Conference Championship
  • 2 Conference Tourney Championship
Discuss your answer if you want.
 
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UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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If Coach A took over a weak team and had, say, 4 NCAA trips in the last 5 years, that would make a huge difference.
 
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OMlawdog

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One good weekend of basketball doesn't mean more to me than a whole season of good basketball.
 
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UpTheMiddlex3Punt

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Ultimately, I said a conference championship was better. West titles are meaningless, but winning the entire conference took a lot of work.
 
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medearis

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Stansbury. While the question is certainly a close one, Winning multiple conference championships (overall and tourney) carries the day over zero championships and only 1 sweet 16.

As it respects the SEC, I would definitely not be bitching about having Coach A or Coach Stansbury, unless I was Kentucky or Florida. And check the #'s on those two. Both have a plethora of advantages over MSU. And even in one of Stans's worst years, we are taking Kentucky deep into the second half at Rupp, beating Florida at home, and beating Tenn on the road. We just need to find some consistency next year, which will come due to the kids growing up together this season.
 
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Thick

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has yielded only 2 NCAA trips, less then 50% of the time they have made the big dance. Screw the body of work argument, in today's world, regardless of what market you are in, it's about now not the past. If I'm looking at the body of work, I'll take Stans just because of lack of separation in the NCAA's between the 2. If I were the AD, both would be on the "hotseat" because of the last 5 years.
 
DawgatAuburn

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Now how far will he go. Will he make the NCAAs this year. If yes, what is his projected seed (within 1 or 2 lines).
 
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OMlawdog

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The SEC west then turned into a toilet where 10-6 got you a 2 seed in the NIT.

It used to be that you could have a frustrating season and end up as a 8-9 seed. I know Barnes had a team that did that, with a .500 conference type record.

To win a conference you are looking at a 12-4 SEC record, which is more than just good basketball. That is fairly dominant come conference schedule. Also, being able to claim a conference championship in any of the big three sports is something special in my opinion. A sweet sixteen is nice, but its just one good weekend of basketball.
 
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OMlawdog

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I still remember this game. I don't remember half the teams that made the sweet sixteen last year.? Try to remember as many as you can from last year alone, I personally can't remember more than a few.?

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patdog

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I'll take a conference title and 2 conference tourney titles over 1 Sweet 16.</p>
 
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8dog

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its making someone familiar with your program and generally, men's basketball tourney runs result in an increase in enrollment.

You'll never have as many people exposed to your school from [end of football season] to August as you will in a tourney run.
 
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OMlawdog

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For teams like Davidson or Butler a tourney run works because of the Cinderella gets a good amount of run. But for a school like MSU or Ole Miss? I don't remember Ole Miss getting any publicity out of the norm for their sweet sixteen appearance. Now Davidson's run got a decent amount of pub, but I don't see that really helping their program that much.

UNLV
Southern Illinois
USC
Washington State
Davidson
Western Kentucky

All went to the sweet sixteen in 07 or 08, and to be honest with you the only one I remembered was Davidson. I think that has more to do with Seth Curry than anything else.
 
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8dog

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is much, much better exposure than a conf regular season title. Now maybe the benefit varies from team to team--I don't know.

No one even knows teams are clinching conf titles most of the time to even watch.
 
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OMlawdog

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I know Bama is getting a lot of run for having a chance to win the SEC title.

I agree that the benefit varies from team to team.

It just seems that the Cinderella story gets most of the pub for the sweet sixteen, versus a 4 seed winning two games and getting knocked out by a 1 seed.
 
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NewTweederEndzoneDance

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so last 5 years for each reads like:

Stans - 1 good season with one marginally good season which was saved by an SEC tourney run
Coach A - 2 good seasons

My whole issue with Stans is and has always been his inability to keep the respect of his players. It shows up with all of these transfers, and this year it shows up big time with a general lack of effort, focus and intensity.
 
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alabamadog

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Being consistently great for one season is more fun to watch than getting amazing exposure for one weekend.
 
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Dawgbreeze

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But after being at the two SEC tourney championshipwins I have no doubt it was better than a sweet sixteen and then going out later. Any coach who can win this league is pretty good and it won't matter 10 years from now how good the league was. Of course this example blows holes in some of the distractors theories. I have never seen a team that every player loved the coach nor any coach who loved every player. It is the nature of the beast. If we win the SEC tourney this year, it won't matter how we got in the dance, that is why tournaments are played to give every team something to play for and it is the same exact reason March Madness is so great.
 
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drt7891

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Do they have RSS and 4 players who combine for 26 games suspended in one year (including 2 that left the team this year alone)? At least one player to leave the team with years of eligibility left every year for the past 4 years? Does Coach A lose to the two worst teams in the SEC in probably 10 years and turn around and win in a building they haven't won in 12 years? <div>
</div><div>If the decisions was based on stats ALONE, I would take Stans. But there are so many intangibles that go into the decision. Honestly, if it came between Bruce Pearl and Stans, it would definitely be Stans because regardless, he at least strives for a clean program, but I would want a coach whose team consistently plays hard EVERY GAME and whose team can represent their university with class and not fight or tweet things about fellow teammates and coaches. </div><div>
</div><div>BTW, I know who Coach A is, I'm just explaining my stance. </div><div>
</div><div>*EDIT* No one left the team in 2008 or 2009. I'm sorry for misinformation. </div>
 
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