How many new starters does Arkansas have? I don't think I caught it in the 20 other posts you said it in within the last 24 hours. Give it a rest. We know already. We don't need to hear about it from now until Saturday. Arkansas has played as soft if not softer schedule than we have. The only difference in the schedule is they've played two really good teams and we've played about 5-6 decent-above average teams, and were in a tournament with the #1 team in the country. I give credit to Pelphrey and Arkansas for winning against OU and Texas. Their arena being one of the tougher places to play in the country has something to do with it, but props to the Pigs on both wins. They're big wins and will help them out come selection time. I want to see them play a few real teams away from Bud before I start anointing them though.
Coach, I need you to clear something up for me...
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How many new starters does Arkansas have? I don't think I caught it in the 20 other posts you said it in within the last 24 hours. Give it a rest. We know already. We don't need to hear about it from now until Saturday. Arkansas has played as soft if not softer schedule than we have. The only difference in the schedule is they've played two really good teams and we've played about 5-6 decent-above average teams, and were in a tournament with the #1 team in the country. I give credit to Pelphrey and Arkansas for winning against OU and Texas. Their arena being one of the tougher places to play in the country has something to do with it, but props to the Pigs on both wins. They're big wins and will help them out come selection time. I want to see them play a few real teams away from Bud before I start anointing them though.
How many new starters does Arkansas have? I don't think I caught it in the 20 other posts you said it in within the last 24 hours. Give it a rest. We know already. We don't need to hear about it from now until Saturday. Arkansas has played as soft if not softer schedule than we have. The only difference in the schedule is they've played two really good teams and we've played about 5-6 decent-above average teams, and were in a tournament with the #1 team in the country. I give credit to Pelphrey and Arkansas for winning against OU and Texas. Their arena being one of the tougher places to play in the country has something to do with it, but props to the Pigs on both wins. They're big wins and will help them out come selection time. I want to see them play a few real teams away from Bud before I start anointing them though.
I'm guessing when Arkansas goes into a funk on a couple of SEC road trips, Coach Pelphrey will utter the "Y" word during his post game interviews.Coach34 said:
road trip funk that could hurt our seeding after beating two top ten teams at home instead of losing to Charlotte and San Diego at home and knowing that there is virtually no way we are making the tournament.
There you go.
I was about to add 'if he hasn't already' to my original post, but was too lazy to look it up.
Turns out, he has. You would think that someone who includes 'Coach' in her username would know that almost every coach short of 5 returning senior starters utters the "Y" word every once in a while.
I was about to add 'if he hasn't already' to my original post, but was too lazy to look it up.
Turns out, he has. You would think that someone who includes 'Coach' in her username would know that almost every coach short of 5 returning senior starters utters the "Y" word every once in a while.
It must really suck to be a young team with a new up and coming coach.
Stans has no clue, like most of our fan-base..
Stans has no clue, like most of our fan-base..
We are talking about 2009 not 2008. Any team with Ervin sucks...
Phelphrey gets a pass from me in his first year in the SEC.
Arkansas has all new starters from last years line-up and 8 freshman on their roster
They are a young team, younger than MSU, the same team that just beat OU and Texas.
Those are the facts, now who doesn't have a clue, you that's who...
Phelphrey gets a pass from me in his first year in the SEC.
Arkansas has all new starters from last years line-up and 8 freshman on their roster
They are a young team, younger than MSU, the same team that just beat OU and Texas.
Those are the facts, now who doesn't have a clue, you that's who...
Did you even look at all the talent Arkansas had last season or just say they suck because Ervin was on the team? And if I am not mistaken SEC play has not even begun and you are claiming that Pelphrey is somehow doing something that Stansbury hasn't. Pelphrey has not done jackshit yet. I swear if any other coach in the SEC had done what Stansbury has done some of you would be claiming what a great coach they are. I just about guarandamtee you that Arkansas will not be better than 9-7 or 8-8 in the SEC this season, yet some of you will **** on Stans for having the same record. Baffles the hell out of me.
Phelphrey just beat two teams in the top 10 from outside the SEC in the last week when did Stans last do that?
When did we even play two non-confernce teams ranked in the top 10 in one week?
Upsets happen every year. All I am saying is that it is too early to cannonize Pelphrey. The unemployment line is littered with coaches that were supposedly better than Stansbury on this board. Think about it: Kevin Oneal, Dave Odom, Cliff Ellis, John Brady, Stan Heath, Tubby Smith, Rod Barnes, and soon to be Mark Gottfried. Outside of Tubby none of that bunch had an SEC resume like Stansbury.
sorry, can't buy your post. Go back and look at John's record since he has been at ARK. He came in and cleaned up a mess with the players from the previous coach. Yes there was talent, but the team was not a team. I expect the hogs to destroy us. Unless of course we decide to hit 20 threes.Hanmudog said:
Yeah Pelphrey inherited a real mess. All those returning seniors from an NCAA tournament team. Gotta hate those situations. All I am saying is that every single year some coach gets off to a good start and people start ripping Stansbury then 3 years later said coach is out of a job while Stansbury is still putting up banners in the Hump.
So you cleared up why you said it once, what about the other 19? As stated, Pelphrey has already used the "youth excuse." Yes, Arkansas is younger than us. They may be good this year, or they could come out and fall on their face in conference play. They certainly have a good record and have beaten two quality teams, but like I said in my first post, I want to see them play some real opponents away from the Bud before I start anointing them or even saying they are better than us. The Bud is a tough place to play for any team, and as everyone knows we pretty much always lose there so them winning Saturday could be nothing more than a continuing of the trend or it could actually mean they are better than us. Let's let the season play out and find out which one.
The only Banners that count are for SEC Championships or a Final Four Banner.[b said:
How about even getting into the Sweet 16, something Stans has not done and probably never will b/c he is not a good floor coach.
Phelphrey will prove how good he is and I think he will be a pretty damn good coach.
Just look at what he was doing at USA before he left, from 8-20 to an NCAA birth.
fishwater99 said:
Did he get a SEC Championship or hang a Final Four Banner at South Alabama.
Afterall, that's all that counts, right?
which is what we would have a very good chance of winding up with if we fired Stans (we're at least as likely to hire the next Cliff Ellis as we are to hire anyone better than Stans). I do agree that if Stans stops producing, he's got to go. But coming off a good NIT run and an NCAA appearance, I think he deserves a little slack for one year.
Especially when you win the West and only make the NIT.
Until Stans gets over that hump he has not achieved success in my mind.
I hope he does, and it better be soon or the Ninja will be lurking..</p>
Until Stans gets over that hump he has not achieved success in my mind.
I hope he does, and it better be soon or the Ninja will be lurking..</p>
Because we have so many other SEC West titles in other sports.
Oh, wait, what?
And, if I'm not mistaken, Stansbury has an SEC Championship banner, one of those "only banners that matter". An outright one at that. Richard Williams' SEC title was not only shared, but we didn't even have the best record in the league. Kentucky did, but they were on probation and ineligible.
Oh, wait, what?
And, if I'm not mistaken, Stansbury has an SEC Championship banner, one of those "only banners that matter". An outright one at that. Richard Williams' SEC title was not only shared, but we didn't even have the best record in the league. Kentucky did, but they were on probation and ineligible.
Hanmudog said:
I wouldn't even waste my time arguing with fishwater. Everybody knows he is just coach34's little puppy trying his hardest to impress him. The goofy bastard can't for an opinion of his own to save his life. Coach could say the sky was green, and fishwater would spend his time on here preaching the sky is green
I thought it was too cold to go picking...
I don't know coach and have never met the guy. For the record I have been a Stans critic from Day 1, when he got promoted to the head coach job.
I had hoped he would mature and maybe hire someone to be his X and O's guy, but that has not happened. The "Recruiter" has gotten better, but his learning curve has been a little too slow for my tastes.. Now he is in love with a 4 guard lineup and that will be a big problem unless we shoot lights out from 3 point land.
Osby needs to start at the 4, with Bailey and Johnson off the bench along with Turner and Beonock. That should be the rotation.
Stans never controls the tempo of a game, he just plays to the other team's. He always waits too long to call a TO when the other team is on a run, especially if he can get a TV timeout. We lack soild rebounding fundamentals...Should I go on....
Stans the Ninja is a watching....
I don't know coach and have never met the guy. For the record I have been a Stans critic from Day 1, when he got promoted to the head coach job.
I had hoped he would mature and maybe hire someone to be his X and O's guy, but that has not happened. The "Recruiter" has gotten better, but his learning curve has been a little too slow for my tastes.. Now he is in love with a 4 guard lineup and that will be a big problem unless we shoot lights out from 3 point land.
Osby needs to start at the 4, with Bailey and Johnson off the bench along with Turner and Beonock. That should be the rotation.
Stans never controls the tempo of a game, he just plays to the other team's. He always waits too long to call a TO when the other team is on a run, especially if he can get a TV timeout. We lack soild rebounding fundamentals...Should I go on....
Stans the Ninja is a watching....
Only one of those West titles led to an NIT bid. THe rest resulted in NCAA trips and you are full of **** if you think the West champ is always the 4th best team. A couple of those years we were either the first or second best team in the SEC. I would much rather at least be in the running annually than once every 5-6 years. I don't get this Sweet 16 obsession with some of you. That is only 2 NCAA tourney wins. Elite 8 or Final Four maybe but the Sweet 16 does not mean ****. Ask Rod Barnes and John Brady.
I didn't say you knew him, I just laugh at you always trying to impress your Internet idol. It is funny and sad at the same time
I never said the West champ is the 4th best team, you need to reply to the correct poster.
I would trade a few SEC West Banners for a Sweet 16, b/c if you can get there then you can get to the Final Four a lot easier.
Stans problem is that he can not game-plan on less than a two-day turn around, he can't game plan at all.
Stans let sthe boys go and the games play themselves out. Give Stans a 2 games a week in the SEC and he does alright.
In the NCAA tourney you have to scout 2 teams and be ready in less than 2 days, that is just too much for The "Recruiter" to handle.
I got you and Coach mixed up. It ain't hard to do during basketball season. Again, I have no problem with criticism of Stansbury but this annual coronation of opposing coaches in the SEC as the next big thing is what kills me. I have already listed off all of the coaches that at one time or another were said to be better than Stans on this board that are currently unemployed or toiling for some low level D1 school.
I am a Stans critic and you know that.
I did say that I thought Kennedy and Phelphrey were good hires, time will tell.
I agree many a coach has come and gone in the SEC and we still have Stans, but is that b/c our expectations are not that high in S-Vegas..
At LSU, UK, and ARK they think they should be in the final 4 every year..We have been once..
I did say that I thought Kennedy and Phelphrey were good hires, time will tell.
I agree many a coach has come and gone in the SEC and we still have Stans, but is that b/c our expectations are not that high in S-Vegas..
At LSU, UK, and ARK they think they should be in the final 4 every year..We have been once..
THose coaches were not fired because they had higher expectations (except maybe Tubby) than MSU. They were fired for doing a sucky job. See Brady, Odom, Heath, and Barnes. It has been a long time since we had seasons as awful as the ones some of those coaches put together.
Where in the SEC did Arkansas finish the year Heath was fired? What was Heath's career SEC record and how many NCAA trips did he take? What was Brady's record for the two years following the Final Four? Now compare that to Stansbury's career record.
I will grant you that Arkansas probably has higher expectations than State but Heath did not even approach Stansbury's success so don't try to paint that turd.
I will grant you that Arkansas probably has higher expectations than State but Heath did not even approach Stansbury's success so don't try to paint that turd.
where you finish in the SEC is far less important in basketball and baseball to me. Unless you win the overall SEC title or the tourney title, your finish is just seeding for the SEC Tourney.
Winning the West in football puts you in the SEC title game, which gives you a chance at the BCS- which equates to a FF appearance in basketball or CWS in baseball.
So, unless you make a Sweet 16 in basketball, your season is basically average- to me. Making the NCAA Tourney but no Sweet 16 is like being in the Independence Bowl. While thats good, after awhile we expect a little better. Just like in baseball, we expect to be in a Super Regional at the very worst, or its been an average season.
So, these little West titles in basketball, while nice, just pretty much give us an opening round bye in the SEC Tourney. I expect more and hopefully one day many of you will too.
Winning the West in football puts you in the SEC title game, which gives you a chance at the BCS- which equates to a FF appearance in basketball or CWS in baseball.
So, unless you make a Sweet 16 in basketball, your season is basically average- to me. Making the NCAA Tourney but no Sweet 16 is like being in the Independence Bowl. While thats good, after awhile we expect a little better. Just like in baseball, we expect to be in a Super Regional at the very worst, or its been an average season.
So, these little West titles in basketball, while nice, just pretty much give us an opening round bye in the SEC Tourney. I expect more and hopefully one day many of you will too.
3rd in the West at 7-9 and made the finals of the SEC tournament and the NCAAs in his last yearHanmudog said:
Career SEC record is bad: 31-49
NCAAs in last two years, first round losses both times
Hard to compare just those five years without considering his Elite Eight run with Kent the year before, and how bad UPig was when he got there. Anyone can take numbers and make someone look good or bad.