Coaching Malpractice
- Thread starter Bob Chaewsky_rivals
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Yes, one timeout left to talk about the inbounds pass.
Dribble, stop when double teamed, and hold the ball until fouled.
Dribble, stop when double teamed, and hold the ball until fouled.
No, you don’t risk a missed FT if there’s an opportunity to pass to an open teammate to run out the clock and seal the W. Scheyer (who motioned for the pass) and Boozer know the game. It was absolutely the right strategy, but UConn made am incredible play and then another.
Absolutely incorrect. Double teamed and high risk of ball being touched on a down court pass. Basketball 101.
This 100%. You don’t make that pass in that situation. No way. Combine that with blowing a 20 point lead and, wow…
my view aligns with Scheyer's, in the moment rather than in hindsight, but sure think what you want. executed pass wins the game. fouling does not, nor would a tie up. the correct strategy is to play keep away. no strategy is foolproof but that was the best option.
i agree with this and think all the "coaching malpractice" stuff out there today is just 20/20 hindsight armchair coaching...
they executed the inbounds play just fine....got it in to best player that uconn didn't want to foul...back to the inbounder before the double team got there...right to the middle of the floor...2 guys wide open down the floor for the game clinching dunk...and your frosh couldn't make the final pass and with all that it took a miracle from the parking lot to beat you.
i get it heavy lies the crown and he's gonna take heat but it's way overblown and from a coaching perspective he had his team in a great position to end the game in classic fashion but his player couldn't execute the final pass...
The fact is the game never should have come down to the last play
The malpractice was slowly watching a 19 point lead evaporate and knowing exactly what was going to happen
The malpractice was slowly watching a 19 point lead evaporate and knowing exactly what was going to happen
A knowledgeable poster. Cameron didn’t have to pass bc UConn would have had to foul. Same for the next player, and same for Cayden. All three did the correct thing, which was to pass to open teammates to run out the clock (keep-away) rather than hope for made FTs and give the ball back.
A no brainer. The coach, the 3 players and knowledgeable fans know the proper strategy there.
Stop. Cayden Boozer is an 81% free throw shooter. The ball was inbounded at 10 seconds. You got the ball to your 81% free throw shooter - best on your team. It’s basketball 101 there to have him hang onto that ball for dear life especially with the tie up arrow in your favor. You don’t pass it off to a weaker FT shooter with 6 seconds remaining in regulation. All he had to do was hang on to the ball. There would’ve been maybe 4 seconds on the clock and the ball all the way at the other end.
I do agree with BAC that the bigger malpractice was blowing the big lead but losing the way Duke did was not good coaching either.
Honestly there was no guarantee that Duke hits the first of the 1 and 1 and Uconn still could have hit a 3 to win
Ouch. Just saw a tweet saying Cam should have eaten Cayden in the womb. Got 36,000 likes.
When you have a bad result, the natural inclination is to blame it on what they tried to do, myself included. You make a great argument that what they tried to do was sound but the last pass was broken up by a great play and the game ended on an even greater shot. The basketball Gods are fickle.
No guarantee but if they successfully complete that pass the chance of eithertime expiring or Duke making a basket before a foul was committed was close to zero.
In that situation, there are a couple guys you don’t want to send to the line but the plan has to be to let the 81% FT shooter get the points for you at the line. It’s one and one so it’s also going to take time to secure the rebound on a miss and take off and which player rebounds the ball matters too. There would’ve been under 5 seconds left in regulation.
10 seconds Coaching 101:
Remind players that it's 10 seconds. You don't need to cross half court.
Remind players that you don't have to move for 5 full seconds.
Remind players that Uconn has the possession arrow.
Remind players of the # of timeouts left.
Remind players that it's 10 seconds. You don't need to cross half court.
Remind players that you don't have to move for 5 full seconds.
Remind players that Uconn has the possession arrow.
Remind players of the # of timeouts left.
Coach K didn’t need a stinking timeout in that situation. With .04 seconds he could’ve saved simply inbounded the ball past half court and had Christian Laetner hit the game winner at the buzzer.
Problem with hyper talented young guys. They make wrong plays at the most inexplicable times.
Scheyer is a great recruiter, not a great coach. They will never win the title until he becomes one. Tough to do when you are recruiting freshmen phenoms every year.
Scheyer is a great recruiter, not a great coach. They will never win the title until he becomes one. Tough to do when you are recruiting freshmen phenoms every year.
Yes but that’s where the coaching comes in. A good coach should be able to design a play there to force them to foul.
Fair. The only logic I can think of is he had to assume the foul was coming and not a boneheaded pass and maybe save the TO to set the D for the last shot. Hurley was just letting his team play and there may have been a thought that Hurley wouldn’t use a timeout so he’d want it to set up a D after the FTs (that never happened).
That was such a huge difference between Ace and Dylan - made me think of the time Ace got a tech after a dunk in a close one and they cut to Dylan walking away annoyed.
So you are implying it was also a bad strategy for Cameron to pass to Sarr ? And for Sarr to pass to Cayden ? Shouldn’t Cameron have held onto the ball?
Gotcha. Neither the three Duke players nor the coach don’t know what you do, which is that it’s better to get fouled and get FTs rather than keep the clock moving and avoiding the risk of missed FTs by passing to open players to seal the win.
Clueless much ?
Absolutely. I learned long ago that Yogi was right....It ain't over 'til it's over.
But I thought this one was over when Duke had that huge lead and UConn couldn't make a three. 1 for 18 at one point.
I almost walked away from this game at some point in the second half.
I still can't believe that kid pulled a Ron Harper....or that his team got back into the game to set him up for that shot.
Madness.
I mean Duke coach has now blown what, three or four double digit leads in the tournament? Maybe he doesn't quite know what to coach when up! Ha.
Passing to the open man to run time is of course correct. It's when you need to pass over or through defenders it becomes riskier. Tough spot for a freshman to have to make the decision.
No - your the one who is clueless here. Do you not realize how often teams practice inbounding against a press break? Kids are preprogrammed what to do in that initial situation. The inbounder got the ball in successfully without an immediate suffocating trap at which point the correct play is generally the safe pass right back to the inbounder. There’s no reason not to eat clock there and the inbounder was totally unguarded when the second pass was made ahead to a better free throw shooter. It’s also reasonable at 10 seconds to want to pass the ball ahead to midfield to ensure that if you do get tied up your not giving the ball back to UConn right under their basket.
But a pass is not fine once already approaching midcourt with a double team coming right towards the ball. sure, sometimes a player just panics but the coach still has to own that. There’s no way that pass should’ve been thrown. He hadn’t given up his dribble - didn’t need to just stand there. He could’ve taken off with the ball and would’ve been fouled and there would not be enough time to left on the clock to rebound a miss and make it down the court for a shot (or at least it would’ve been a lot harder). There was no reason for an 81% FT shooter to get rid of the ball at midcourt.
This is where it’s on the coach to have discussed in the time out. Once we get by midfield, no more passes make them foul. the initial passes are your team’s rehearsed inbounds play but after that it’s just too risky and you have good ball handlers. Trust your players to hang onto the ball.
LOL. Did you play at Duke with Scheyer who wanted that last pass too ? Or were you a gymnast ? Because the gymnastics you are doing to support Cameron’s decision to pass and reject Cayden’s decision to pass is quite something.
If FTs are more likely to end the game than running clock as you say, the same applies to Cameron no matter where they are on the court. He should have held onto the ball forcing UConn to foul, huh ? But he didn’t.
Duke pays well. Send your application. They sure could use your knowledge.
No - At 10 seconds while running your rehearsed in bounds play, there’s no problem with making a wide open, safe, uncontested pass. The ball was inbounded quickly without an instant double team trap so there was no reason right under the opponents basket not to make the standard pass back to the center of the court to the inbounder. The inbounder should probably just take off there driving the length of the court and be the one fouled but the pass ahead got the ball into the hands of an 81% free throw shooter down court and there was no coverage on the passer so fine. And it ate more clock.
Once the ball gets to the next level, there shouldn’t be any more passing in that situation because it becomes way too risky in that situation. At a different point the goal would be to punish the press so to speak going for an easy lay up to take advance of numbers. There was no reason for UConn not to bring the house though which is why you don’t do that with 6 seconds and counting in regulation. You put the ball on the floor yourself and eat clock. You don’t need a basket! If you have to give up your dribble you hang on to the ball for dear life because even if the opponent gets the tie up, it’s going to take a couple more seconds for the whistle to blow and time is about to expire. Even in the worst case - if they do get the tie up you at least get to set up your defense.
Your point has been that FTs, ahem, FT attempts, end the game. Same would apply to Cameron.
You can’t make that argument and then parse situations three seconds apart because by that logic Duke should have recognized the potential for increased risk with extra passes…all the more reason for Cameron to hold the ball and get fouled.
Your logic is as flimsy as a house of cards, upside down in a tornado.
No - my logic is that in this situation a good coach calls time out and the message emphasized is very simple. Protect the ball at all costs. Every decision made should be based on furthering this end. Full stop. Your not “trying” to get fouled rather your not taking on any additional risk of losing the ball to go out of your way to avoid allowing the opponent to foul you.
When you first inbound the ball under the opponent basket passing back to the inbounder is the safe play because it allows you to avoid an initial baseline trap right under the opposing team’s basket. But once you succeed in getting the ball into the open court and centered, attacking the press the way Duke tried to do hoping to create a transition opportunity or avoid getting sent to the line is not the right call.
You can argue BAC’s point that it wasn’t a guarantee to make free throws there which is of course true but being in the 1 and 1 was actually helpful in this situation because it meant that unless you made both and went up 3, the only way UConn was getting the ball back was by first having to rebound the ball. They would’ve had to go the length of the court at that point after first securing the rebound and there would’ve been very little time on the clock regardless of what Cam did outside of attempting a pass.
The same guys defending Scheyer, would be crucifying Steve if RU lost a game like that.
even though I don't like Coach K personally, even I admit he was an all time great coach. He would not have needed to call that time out because he never would have blown the 19 point lead to that team
