People who are negative about those who are negative are negative.
You shouldn't be able to stand yourself.
Coaching Staff Next Year
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You shouldn't be able to stand yourself.
He won’t be happy until Iowa is wrestling in a hs gym with seats to spare.
Because we don’t understand how hard D1 wrestling is because he wrestled D1 at the worst big ten school thirty years ago.
Also we are spoiled from gable’s years which occurred from fifty years to thirty years ago.
Also we, the biggest fanbase in the sport are whiners for wanting change from a figure head that refuses to change to the detriment of the program.
Your recent posts have been fantastic. Couldn't have said any of it any better.
I think the part I enjoy most is when he calls out fans for "not having a remotely feasible plan." Never mind that's akin to saying only rocket scientists are qualified to say there's a problem when the space shuttle blows up, there have been many knowledgeable (and not so knowledgeable) fans on this board that have shared thoughts on how to improve the program, including potential head coaching replacements. And that includes within this thread.
MSU sees Iowa as basically the same as most other programs and therein lies the problem of trying to have a conversation with him on this subject. He's more worried about "disrespect" than perspective and objective evaluation.
Heard the NCAA tournament starts tomorrow
For the sake of discussion:
Mike Grey:
He has signed 1 p4p #1 in Meyer Shapiro. Iowa has 0. (A couple of #2s in Ferrari and Kueter)
2 NCAA champs in 4 years as HC. Iowa has 1 over that time.
He has 2nd and a 3rd place team finishes to his credit. That matches Iowa over that time.
He currently has 3 wrestlers seeded top 3 in the tournament. Iowa has 1.
Tony Robie
No signed p4p #1s, though he has one committed for 2027 in Melvin Miller. Signed the #2 in this class (Bassett). Has a handful of top 10s.
2 NCAA champs in 7 years as HC (Lewis & Henson), the only 2 in VT history. (Iowa has also had two guys win titles over that time)
Best NCAA finish is 7th.
He has 1 wrestler seeded in the top 3 in the tournament. He has 3 wrestlers seeded 4th. Iowa has 1.
Not sure I dont know anything just what I heardLink???
Actually multiplying two negatives makes a positive. Just saying.
We didn’t come here for a math lesson. We came to rip on each other and talk wrestling, in that order.
Are you positive?
I am not being negative. Just intenitonally annoying. There is a substantial difference.
Oh, and I can stand very well, but I do like to pace instead, if possible!
FUNNY(or maybe NOT????) how MANY just do not get it!!!! I SIR IRON HAWK sit and ask myself WHY?????
Just does not make sense to my Super NVIDIA Chipped Computer BRAIN!?!?!? Very hard for me to process what people do NOT get about what IS taking place!!!! Now OBVIOUSLY we are here on the HAWK Wrestling board!!! Besides the dumb *** wannabe F*** st POS trolls and a handful of dumb *** wanna be IOWA fans. WE are ALL B1G time wrestling fans who love the WORLDS GR8est sport with a passion most of these fleas can NEVER understand!!!
NOW we sit up in dis ***** I guess trying to find answers to questions WE are making up WITHOUT confronting the REAL issue(s) head-on!!! I know some HATE FACTS!!!! It is MUCH easier I guess to just "flow down stream like a DEAD FISH" then to FIGHT for what is right!!!!
REGARDLESS of what many think, FACTs say, TnT are/have been the BEST coaches by RESULTS other then the POS krailure!!! FACTs also say, NO team is currently close to LYING cheating scam riddled F*** st!!! FACTs also show, krailure has been bringing in more TOP talent then any other THREEE teams COMBINED!!!!
FACTs point to OakTree st. as having the GR8est "upswing" currently and EVERYONE says " see that, DATs what we need over here!!!" ?????
FUNNY(or MAYBE not????) how MANY leave out or disregard the FACT that a BILLIONAIRE is said to be backing the program and behind bringing in DT!!!!!
WHAT part of this ^^^^^ is NOT clear or you do NOT understand?????? Do ANY of you believe that TnT, SMITH, RYAN, etc..... do NOT get the formula of- "get TOP guys onto yo team" ?????? Do you think they believe in a different plan of trying to WIN titles?????
BELIEVE me, I am all in on shaking things up and bringing in a TOP guy to add some "flavor and FIRE" TWOOOO the program!!!! BUTTs(that is ALL who do NOT understand!!! BUTT as in ***) When you can NOT find a way to add a former NC to your roster, and when you have a FREAK of a recruit de-commit etc..... and when it is reported that IOWA Wrestling "haint" getting SHHHeeeet in revenue sharing(read F-in $$$$$)
WHAT do YOU think ANYONE you can bring in to coach is going to do????? Take you ALL-STAR coaching team of DAKE, JORDAN, NOLF, KemDawg, add in GABLE as supervisor, SUPERMAN lee as "player/coach, etc..... and you STILL have NO answers!!!!
The question is--- Is POS ncaa going to continue to allow college sports to go down a path to hell???? IF so, how do WE/ IOWA become the "devil"? so we can "play the game" the way those that are WINNING championships(in ALL sports) are doing it!?!??!
Just does not make sense to my Super NVIDIA Chipped Computer BRAIN!?!?!? Very hard for me to process what people do NOT get about what IS taking place!!!! Now OBVIOUSLY we are here on the HAWK Wrestling board!!! Besides the dumb *** wannabe F*** st POS trolls and a handful of dumb *** wanna be IOWA fans. WE are ALL B1G time wrestling fans who love the WORLDS GR8est sport with a passion most of these fleas can NEVER understand!!!
NOW we sit up in dis ***** I guess trying to find answers to questions WE are making up WITHOUT confronting the REAL issue(s) head-on!!! I know some HATE FACTS!!!! It is MUCH easier I guess to just "flow down stream like a DEAD FISH" then to FIGHT for what is right!!!!
REGARDLESS of what many think, FACTs say, TnT are/have been the BEST coaches by RESULTS other then the POS krailure!!! FACTs also say, NO team is currently close to LYING cheating scam riddled F*** st!!! FACTs also show, krailure has been bringing in more TOP talent then any other THREEE teams COMBINED!!!!
FACTs point to OakTree st. as having the GR8est "upswing" currently and EVERYONE says " see that, DATs what we need over here!!!" ?????
FUNNY(or MAYBE not????) how MANY leave out or disregard the FACT that a BILLIONAIRE is said to be backing the program and behind bringing in DT!!!!!
WHAT part of this ^^^^^ is NOT clear or you do NOT understand?????? Do ANY of you believe that TnT, SMITH, RYAN, etc..... do NOT get the formula of- "get TOP guys onto yo team" ?????? Do you think they believe in a different plan of trying to WIN titles?????
BELIEVE me, I am all in on shaking things up and bringing in a TOP guy to add some "flavor and FIRE" TWOOOO the program!!!! BUTTs(that is ALL who do NOT understand!!! BUTT as in ***) When you can NOT find a way to add a former NC to your roster, and when you have a FREAK of a recruit de-commit etc..... and when it is reported that IOWA Wrestling "haint" getting SHHHeeeet in revenue sharing(read F-in $$$$$)
WHAT do YOU think ANYONE you can bring in to coach is going to do????? Take you ALL-STAR coaching team of DAKE, JORDAN, NOLF, KemDawg, add in GABLE as supervisor, SUPERMAN lee as "player/coach, etc..... and you STILL have NO answers!!!!
The question is--- Is POS ncaa going to continue to allow college sports to go down a path to hell???? IF so, how do WE/ IOWA become the "devil"? so we can "play the game" the way those that are WINNING championships(in ALL sports) are doing it!?!??!
You're not a nobody, Corby because you clearly have some good information. But you are quick to call others out because they seemingly don't know anything which isn't cool at all. The reality is 99 percent of us don't know what we don't know which is why we talk about this stuff until our finger tips are raw from typing.
MSU and Corby want us to be average and we aren't good with it. And so the fight goes on...
Iowa being 5th in wreslting is like Alabama being 25th in football. Yes, mediocrity. You're so used to MSU sucking in wrestling and you're hoping we join you. Not if we have anything to say about it.
For a good part of the 90's up through about 2006 or so, Alabama football was pretty average at best. A few good seasons, a few below .500, but really a lot of meh for a once great program. Then it turned around to be one of the best, if not the best for multiple years. Iowa will rise again. Hopefully it does not take 15 years for it to get turned around. A change at the top can do wonders and some times it is just time to do so.
Nope, not even close. My argument is simply with the entitlement that oozes out of many of you on this board. Hell, I have even said I would like to see better performances. I have even been very critical of the Brands not getting their guys to March healthy, especially the upperclassmen.
Every dynasty ends. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Look at UCLA Basketball. At one time they were arguably the biggest dynasty across all college athletics. Just like them, PSU will fall at some point.
The argument has NEVER been about wanting more. I have endorsed that. It is about spitting in the face of every other program by complaining about finishing top 5 for 17 years STRAIGHT when NO other team, including PSU has done it.
Again, the whining is akin to Rich People Problems. The caviar wasn't imported in time, so now I have to eat the local stuff. Yuck. It is SOOOO unfair...
Simply put, the Brands deserve WAY more credit on this board than they get and I have plenty of issues with that and these arguments are my way of expressing those....
I typically do that after many people respond and keep going and saying this and that. I have never been one to sit back and take sh*t at some point I'm gonna fire back.You're not a nobody, Corby because you clearly have some good information. But you are quick to call others out because they seemingly don't know anything which isn't cool at all. The reality is 99 percent of us don't know what we don't know which is why we talk about this stuff until our finger tips are raw from typing.
Being a top 5 program for over 50 years is average ?
Dynasties come and go in all sports and wrestling is no different. But to stay at the top for 50 years isn't easy. How many other wrestling programs can say they've been top 5 for 50 years ?
Also should be noted Cornells champs were there before Grey and brought in by prior coach, same with Lewis and Robie correct?
I think they're both solid coaches but I think we need to aim higher.
That is the lamest argument you’ve made yet.
A non-Iowa fan on an Iowa board complaining about complainers because it somehow belittles smaller, successful programs…
No one here should care about meaningless stats like “top five in 17 years” lol or 30 plus years with an individual finalist (cool, but so what?) that’s total loser mentality when considering there’s only been what 5 schools that have won a team title in the last fifty years? Being top 5 is good? Not for us. At some point it wasn’t for OSU either when they forced their hall of fame coach to retire.
We understand D1 wrestling is hard. Entitlement is an under-performing program expecting fan support despite very observable problems that could be fixed, but are chosen not to due to (insert excuses here).
Iowa has its history and its fanbase. We are getting further away from its successful history of the gable years and early brands years and the fan base is souring. When should a change be made?
Please fire back at the people who talk sh*t...I'm completely with you as I do the same...mostly at you and MSU. But sometimes people just make suggestions based on what they heard, think they heard, thought they saw/read, etc. Those types don't need to feel your wrath.
Robie was on staff prior to Lewis arriving and was promoted to HC for 2017-18 season, which was Lewis’s first season with the program.
You say this:
But then say this:
If you think you're doing anything other than 100% cementing with others are saying about you, you are sorely mistaken.
Top 5 isn't an achievement when over the vast majority of that time you've been top 2 in resources. Iowa wrestling is 100% a rich person, and with that comes rich person expectations. The number of 4th and 5th place finishes (7) in that time frame is just plain bad. To say nothing about being on the brink of 3 straight. It has become the norm, and that's a major problem.
I also take exception with your claim that Brands doesn't get credit on this board. The prevailing opinion is that Brands has had a hell of a run, but his time has run out based on recent results.
But then say this:
If you think you're doing anything other than 100% cementing with others are saying about you, you are sorely mistaken.
Top 5 isn't an achievement when over the vast majority of that time you've been top 2 in resources. Iowa wrestling is 100% a rich person, and with that comes rich person expectations. The number of 4th and 5th place finishes (7) in that time frame is just plain bad. To say nothing about being on the brink of 3 straight. It has become the norm, and that's a major problem.
I also take exception with your claim that Brands doesn't get credit on this board. The prevailing opinion is that Brands has had a hell of a run, but his time has run out based on recent results.
First off, I am absolutely an Iowa wrestling fan. That is crystal clear. I probably cheer harder for each guy now than a vast majority of those that post on this board.
My argument is more about change for the sake of change and at the expense of a coach that has EARNED every single Iowa fan's respect.
Again, if I WASN'T an Iowa wrestling fan, I would actually be HOPING you get a new coach and the program FALLS. It would be such a GREAT gotcha. But, I DO NOT want that. I want to see Iowa be as successful as possible. But, I also want to see the Brands go out on their terms. I absolutely believe they have EARNED that...
Wrestling and basketball aren't remotely comparable. There are hundreds of D1 basketball teams with REAL programs (fan, financial and admin support) and 15-20 or more of those every year with a realistic shot at winning a title.
In wrestling there's MAYBE what 10-12 real programs with fan/school/financial support? Even that's being generous.
When you're placing 5th among the group of programs actually trying to compete for titles, you aren't performing at a high level.
These are fair questions. I'm not going to bat for either of them but do enjoy looking into these things.
Both of Cornell's champs signed under Koll. Grey was on staff through their recruitment and time at Cornell. I believe he was a big part of their success but will defer to others.
Robie was not the HC when Lewis was recruited (he was on staff) but he was HC when Henson was recruited.
The 2 teams that are now surpassing or have surpassed Iowa(PSU and OkState) are currently DWARFING Iowa in resources. Hell, it has been made known that the team didn't even get a single penny for revenue sharing this year. Meanwhile, Richison not only forked up huge money to get Taylor, but he FULLY FUNDED National Duals. Another billionaire is a giant reason Sanderson went to PSU and why he got EVERYTHING he could possibly want to build them into what they are now.
As far as the Brands go, MAYBE fans outside of this forum think the way you do. But, ON HERE, that simply is NOT the case. Hell many on here have even said PSU wouldn't be as good as they are if not for the Brands being so bad at their jobs. Can you not see how ridiculous that is and why I have dug in so hard here?
Mind you, I admittedly choose a very specific tact to get most of the reactions here that I receive. But, that is simply a tit for tat strategy. Most of the talk hasn't been how do we make Iowa better. It has been how do we get rid of Brands SIMPLY BECAUSE we will automatically be so much better without them To me, that is the most ridiculous approach humanly possible...
What are osu and psus billionaires providing to their programs that Iowa is lacking? What huge advantages are they getting via their billionaires?
You're correct about OKST. But that only became true recently, not for (as I noted) the vast majority of the given 17-year timeframe. And even at that, Willie and others have reported that NIL $$$ isn't an issue at Iowa. It was poorly spent in the portal this past year, however.
I don't think your post accurately characterizes the prevailing opinion of the board. For instance, I don't see many, if any, thinking Iowa is going to "automatically" be better with change.
The 2 head coaches for starters. The biggest thing was the funding of the RTC's along with USING the RTC's to cover whatever "costs" have been and will be needed in the gray areas.
To be clear, I have NEVER said PSU cheats or that OkState is. However, what I HAVE said is they have been and continue to be masters at working in the "GREY" areas and it seems Iowa under Brands has been either unwilling, or, more likely, unable to do.
I would happily defer to Mr. Nicolls on this subject. He has said some things on here along with hinting about others, that should make this pretty clear to those able to read between the lines...
Ok, to be fair, I will poll this board. If everyone answers truthfully, it would be very interesting to see what the actual pulse of the board is.
Everyone acknowledges the resources these programs have. It doesn't explain why we're headed to our 3rd straight finish of 4th or worse and why next season looks so bleak.
You made the claim they are "DWARFING" Iowa in terms of resources and that is why iowa can't compete.
Now if I understand your post correctly, it's by allowing them to pay athletes in some grey area we aren't. That's how they're DWARFING Iowa's resources?
It appears to be a very major part of why they lost the Rainey's, Bassetts and Miller. With them, do you not believe they would be challenging both teams rather well?