MSU Baseball is not competitive enough for SEC. I certainly thought Cohen was a good hire...but the results just aren't there.
Cohen has definitely underwhelmed. It is what it is.
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We are losing games with average to poor players. This is year 4 of Cohen and he still cannot recruit power hitters. We have the best catcher in the history of Mississippi in Hunter Renfroe. He was tabbed a can't miss catcher for the pros. Yet we have him in the outfield so we can get Mitch Slauter on the field. What a joke.
I have talked with at least 5 head baseball coaches in the Jackson Metro area who are coaching at a better level than Cohen. They are very disappointed with MSU baseball and Cohen.
It is going to be extremely hard for us to get back to even the middle of the SEC. We simply don't have the players anymore and we seem to not be able to recruit anymore.
I have talked with at least 5 head baseball coaches in the Jackson Metro area who are coaching at a better level than Cohen. They are very disappointed with MSU baseball and Cohen.
It is going to be extremely hard for us to get back to even the middle of the SEC. We simply don't have the players anymore and we seem to not be able to recruit anymore.
Now, that would mean...at this pace, MSU would win 38.5 (let's just say 39) games out of a hundred. Definitely the whipping boy of the SEC!!
but Ed Easley did win the Johnny Bench award. That means he was the best catcher in the country in 2007. To say that we NOW have the best catcher in the history of Mississippi would be absurd.
With all due respect to Ed Easley, he at least played the position for MSU and guess what, it paid off for us and him as well. I am just telling you what the scouts said prior to him signing with MSU. And here is the no-brainer. If he was so highly praised by the scouts, why is Cohen hell-bent on not letting him play the position. We are doing him a disservice. That will be his main position in the minor leagues. And he may never play it at State. You figure.
Renfroe behind the dish and someone else in the OF? Or with Slauter behind home and Renfroe in the OF?
I would think that you'd want Slauter and Renfroe in the lineup, rather than just Renfroe.
I would think that you'd want Slauter and Renfroe in the lineup, rather than just Renfroe.
It's much closer to SEC football, meaning it is 17ing hard to win in the SEC. We are 4 years removed from being the worst MSU baseball has been in decades, and Cohen has us very competitive with the top teams in the country and a year removed from a Super Regional. I still do not understand how everyone thinks we should be so dominant right now. Cohen has recruited well, but the other SEC teams that have been finishing in the top 10 every year since Polk was here, are able to recruit a little better right now, for obvious reasons. We've lost half of our games by a single run, and most of those losses came with key players injured. If we catch a break or two and win 3 of those 7 games, we could possibly be 24-11 and 8-6 in the SEC. That's a fine line from being near the bottom and near the top. 3 runs. And if we were 24-11 everybody would be fine right now. Once again, that's 3 runs separating us from that record.
And the comparisons to Stansbury are laughable at this point. It's almost like some of you want to get back at the ones that were saying Stan's should have been fired, by trying to stir up enough **** to get Cohen fired. Stansbury wasn't losing games this past year to Duke, Michigan State, Kansas, and North Carolina by 1 or 2 points.....he was losing to Georgia, Auburn, LSU and other shitastic teams by 7-10. And he had more talent than they did. Cohen is losing 1-run games to top 10 teams with more talent, and was in the Sweet 16 last year. There is no comparison with those two.
And the comparisons to Stansbury are laughable at this point. It's almost like some of you want to get back at the ones that were saying Stan's should have been fired, by trying to stir up enough **** to get Cohen fired. Stansbury wasn't losing games this past year to Duke, Michigan State, Kansas, and North Carolina by 1 or 2 points.....he was losing to Georgia, Auburn, LSU and other shitastic teams by 7-10. And he had more talent than they did. Cohen is losing 1-run games to top 10 teams with more talent, and was in the Sweet 16 last year. There is no comparison with those two.
..I was part of the sheep brigade that thought Cohen would have built MSU into a national powerhouse by year 4.
I thought last year's post-season success was the launching pad fo MSU doing this year what Kentucky is doing.
But, this year, when I see Cohen's teams play, they look lost, uninspired & the recipients of some very ****** coaching.
Here a great anecdotal example: Do you realize, this year, we had a player get a stand-up double voided because he didn't step on first base?
What kind of 3rd grade ******** is that?
It's the kind of 3rd grade ******** Cohen is allowing to seep into his program.
I thought last year's post-season success was the launching pad fo MSU doing this year what Kentucky is doing.
But, this year, when I see Cohen's teams play, they look lost, uninspired & the recipients of some very ****** coaching.
Here a great anecdotal example: Do you realize, this year, we had a player get a stand-up double voided because he didn't step on first base?
What kind of 3rd grade ******** is that?
It's the kind of 3rd grade ******** Cohen is allowing to seep into his program.
But the fact remains he is 34-69 in the SEC and doesn't look like we can reach a .500 winning percentage again this year. Different standard obviously for baseball.
HotDiggityDog said:
Very puzzling. I thought Cohen was a can't miss hire. I've been underwhelmed to say the least. I still think he needs at least one if not two more full seasons before making final judgment. If he doesn't tighten up though, he won't be here after 2014.
patdog said:
We are talking about Mississippi State, right? State ALWAYS waits at least one year too long to take out the trash. I do not mean to equate John Cohen with trash, but you know what I mean. I have no confidence in the current AD and have no reason to believe S.S. would pull the trigger early. Based on his performance thus far, I'm not even sure I trust him to choose a good replacement. I'm hoping and praying things start to click for our baseball program next year.
Cohen's first 2 years practically don't even count. Polk left us in such a hole, no matter who came in, they would've had similar results. So in effective year 1, Cohen went to a Super regional. Yeah, he's so gonna get fired in 2 years.
You people are amazing.
You people are amazing.
Jerious Norwood, Omarr Conner, David Stewart, etc...
If Mullen had had Omarr and Jerious, it would have been Pat White/Steve Slaton type domination...
If Mullen had had Omarr and Jerious, it would have been Pat White/Steve Slaton type domination...
You can't bring in a huge group of talented players because you have to divide up the scholarships. Not to mention, Cohen came in during the summer after everyone had practically already signed elsewhere. His first 2 years sucked, but ANYONE's first two years here would've sucked. So you can say we didn't make the post season and hold that against him, I'm just saying in this specific situation, I'm not holding it against Cohen for not making the postseason in years 1 and 2 because the cavernous hole that Polk left us in.
Hell, I was one of the few posters who knew it back then. Most had pretty high expectations for Cohen's first 2 years (a lot of talk about a super regional by his 2nd year). I said then and I still believe, the team Cohen inherited at MSU wasn't all that different than the team he inherited at Kentucky. I get it. He took over a shitstorm. But after 5 years, it's HIS program, no matter what shape it was in when he took it over. I'm not saying he should be fired this year if he misses the NCAA tournament. But if he doesn't win fairly big by next year, he's had enough time. And by winfairly big, I mean host a regional or at least be in contention to host.